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[quote=skinsguy;893468]And the thing is, until the Redskins truly show a consistent improvement - making the playoffs on a regular basis - the media and the sports world itself is going to continue stuck in the mindset that the Redskins are always the team to overspend on over the hill players. So, it's up to this coaching regime and the current players (and current players to be) to show everybody that the culture in Washington has truly changed.[/quote]

I was going to type something similar to this in response to the other replys

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[quote=Mattyk;893447]Haynesworth and Manning are polar opposites in just about every possible way.

I don't see any merit behind comparing the two.[/quote]
[IMG]http://sportsfly.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/peyton-manning-edited1.jpg?w=210&h=152[/IMG][IMG]http://media.courierpress.com/media/img/photos/2010/09/13/Colts_Texans_Football_John3_t607.jpg[/IMG]

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[IMG]http://media.courierpress.com/media/img/photos/2010/09/13/Colts_Texans_Football_John3_t607.jpg[/IMG]

Number 90's reaction is hilarious in this picture: "I didn't do anything!!"

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^^ lol a comic

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[quote=Ruhskins;893481][IMG]http://media.courierpress.com/media/img/photos/2010/09/13/Colts_Texans_Football_John3_t607.jpg[/IMG]

Number 90's reaction is hilarious in this picture: "I didn't do anything!!"[/quote]

H'es talking to Ed Hochuli. He's afraid Ed is going to roundhouse kick him in the face.

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[quote=SkinzWin;893498]H'es talking to Ed Hochuli. He's afraid Ed is going to [B]roundhouse kick[/B] him in the face.[/quote]

You know he's afraid of the guns. LOL.

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[quote=Ruhskins;893481][IMG]http://media.courierpress.com/media/img/photos/2010/09/13/Colts_Texans_Football_John3_t607.jpg[/IMG]

Number 90's reaction is hilarious in this picture: "I didn't do anything!!"[/quote]

I'm starting to think that pose has become an actual drill in practice among defensive lineman and linebackers.

"NO TONY YOU HAVE TO SELL IT WITH THE FACE! AN INNOCENT MAN DOESN'T WAVE HIS ARMS LIKE THAT!"

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[quote=Dirtbag59;893522]I'm starting to think that pose has become an actual drill in practice among defensive lineman and linebackers.

"NO TONY YOU HAVE TO SELL IT WITH THE FACE! AN INNOCENT MAN DOESN'T WAVE HIS ARMS LIKE THAT!"[/quote]

It is called the "Brady Move".

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[quote=Ruhskins;893525]It is called the "Brady Move".[/quote]

But Manning isn't grabbing his knee in this photo...

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[quote=SkinzWin;893528]But Manning isn't grabbing his knee in this photo...[/quote]

Still, I think Brady is the most protected QB in the league...with Manning a very close second.

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i thought the Brady move was more of the arms out to the sides with his body language doings a Will Arnett impression saying "C'mon"

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[quote=SkinItup;893538]i thought the Brady move was more of the arms out to the sides with his body language doings a Will Arnett impression saying "C'mon"[/quote]

Well played sir...

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know what might be a good FA value for us?

WR meachem, WR Eddie Royal, OG Rachal, OLB -> ILB erin henderson

all could be in the cheap range (3mill or so a year) and provide some help. I don't want colston, and I'd like VJ, but not at a billion a year.

I don't see a great RT to sign in FA, and the only CB that'd push hall out of the way would be rogers or carr (i don't know finnegan)... at OG grubbs or nicks would be great too, but they're big money... nicks is probably worth it. tulloch would be okay at ILB, thomas at CB... there are a TON of very meh safeties, so we should grab 4 or hope 2 work out. meriweather probably has the most natural talent.

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Lets talk Fletcher getting greedy. Shall we?

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greed is good

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[quote=los panda;893876]greed is good[/quote]

Gordon Gekko?

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[quote=DC Tailgate;893875]Lets talk Fletcher getting greedy. Shall we?[/quote]

I know we always want to save money as a team, but if there's anybody who you can make an argument deserves to get paid, it's London Fletcher. Dude is the only consistent baller on this team, not once since he's been here do I remember him having a bad game, at least not on the scale of our other highly paid stars.

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Can't blame the guy for looking to cash in on his last contract. That said I won't blame the FO for holding strong and not caving in to his demands.

Give him the money, Fletcher is a class guy and a great great player.

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I would love to keep London at the right price. Unfortunately i dont believe his price is in line with our price. Deserve has got nothing to do with it. Ask Peyton if past performance dictates future earnings. It doesnt, and it shouldnt. London is getting old, a smart organization is prepared to let him walk.

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[quote=mooby;893909]I know we always want to save money as a team, but if there's anybody who you can make an argument deserves to get paid, it's London Fletcher. Dude is the only consistent baller on this team, not once since he's been here do I remember him having a bad game, at least not on the scale of our other highly paid stars.[/quote]

Good post. I agree with you 100%

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[quote=Monksdown;893913]I would love to keep London at the right price. Unfortunately i dont believe his price is in line with our price. Deserve has got nothing to do with it. Ask Peyton if past performance dictates future earnings. [B]It doesnt, and it shouldnt[/B]. London is getting old, a smart organization is prepared to let him walk.[/quote]

Actually, it does. Peyton will be getting serious guaranteed cash and a large contract, and all of it is predicated on past success, because right now with a mildly uncertain future that's all anybody has to go on.

I'm not saying give Fletch 10 million a year, but I do think 7 million a year is certainly reasonable for a player of his production. D.Hall makes 6 million a year, do you think he's worth it?

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[quote=mooby;893909]I know we always want to save money as a team, but if there's anybody who you can make an argument deserves to get paid, it's London Fletcher. Dude is the only consistent baller on this team, not once since he's been here do I remember him having a bad game, at least not on the scale of our other highly paid stars.[/quote]

Fletcher is a prime example of a player you want to pattern your other players after. His pretty much textbook in ever since of the manner. And, I have seen nothing from his play that makes me think he's slowed down. If anybody deserves a nice contract, it's London Fletcher.

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[quote=mooby;893929]Actually, it does. Peyton will be getting serious guaranteed cash and a large contract, and all of it is predicated on past success, because right now with a mildly uncertain future that's all anybody has to go on.

I'm not saying give Fletch 10 million a year, but I do think 7 million a year is certainly reasonable for a player of his production. D.Hall makes 6 million a year, do you think he's worth it?[/quote]

Peyton was release because of the 28 million, more than his health. The length of Fletch's contract is more important than the yearly cost.

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[quote=Monksdown;893935]Peyton was release because of the 28 million, more than his health. The length of Fletch's contract is more important than the yearly cost.[/quote]

If Peyton had been healthy and played the whole season last year, he would've been 28 million richer today. As far as the length goes, we know Fletch probably only has 3-4 seasons left. Give him a 3 year deal with an option for the 4th. I doubt he's looking for a 7 year deal or anything crazy like that.

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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AgEmEbG.2WxyYN7olwKNnxhDubYF?slug=nfp-20120307_mock_draft_40_5010]Mock Draft 4.0 - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Hope this comes true.

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Let's stop and agree that regardless we both want him back. It's in the details of retaining him that we disagree.

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[quote=Monksdown;893944]Let's stop and agree that regardless we both want him back. It's in the details of retaining him that we disagree.[/quote]

I'm cool with that.

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[quote=Monksdown;893913]I would love to keep London at the right price. Unfortunately i dont believe his price is in line with our price. Deserve has got nothing to do with it. Ask Peyton if past performance dictates future earnings. It doesnt, and it shouldnt. [B]London is getting old, a smart organization is prepared to let him walk[/B].[/quote]

Exactly.

And for those saying just pay him, what happens when you pay him and he goes off the edge of the cliff performance wise. At his age it's certainly a real possibility that his play could dramatically drop off at any time. Everyone loves the guy and of course we all want him back, but it's got to be a deal that makes sense for someone his age.

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well then, whats plan b?the guy constantly does his job every Sunday. who fills his slot?

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[quote=Mechanix544;893943][URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AgEmEbG.2WxyYN7olwKNnxhDubYF?slug=nfp-20120307_mock_draft_40_5010"]Mock Draft 4.0 - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/URL]

Hope this comes true.[/quote]

The top 8 make perfect sense. Getting Blackmon at 6 would be huge for us and make doing the deal with us worth it, because they desperately need someone for Bradford to throw to. Jacksonville needs a WR too, possibly more than anyone else in the NFL. With Hillis leaving Cleveland most likely, they need a new stud RB. Claiborne will be the best available when TB picks, so it's a no-brainer. I would not mind drafting him for the Skins if somehow RG3 doesn't happen.


I could see this draft happening exactly.

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I can definitely see the top 6 going down like that

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Interesting breakdown of VJax and Colston:

[url=http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2012/03/tale-of-the-tape-jackson-vs-colston.html]Tale of the tape: Jackson vs. Colston - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;893948]Exactly.

And for those saying just pay him, what happens when you pay him and he goes off the edge of the cliff performance wise. At his age it's certainly a real possibility that his play could dramatically drop off at any time. Everyone loves the guy and of course we all want him back, but it's got to be a deal that makes sense for someone his age.[/quote]The biggest problem with Fletcher is two-fold: the state of the roster behind him dictates that the Redskins should have handled his contract situation a while ago. They just made an assumption that they could handle it easily during the month of February, and they were wrong.

Looking forward though, the problem is "we need a linebacker" and the only thing we have to handle that need with is cap dollars. It's not a strong group of FA LBs, but there's starters out there beyond Fletcher, and it makes as much sense now for the team to start exploring other options as it does for Fletcher to keep all his options open. Signing Curtis Lofton, Erin Henderson, or David Hawthorne would be quite an alternative.

I think there is a lesson here about the Redskins struggling to improve their roster because they can't ever get out of their own way, but replacing about 80% of what Fletcher would offer in 2012 shouldn't really be that much of an issue. There's enough out there that $5 million of cap dollars should be able to bring in at least one player who can handle the rigors of the position. It's just that you typically don't want to enter the offseason with two needs (MLB and safety) that didn't need to be needs.

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Redskins had the opportunity to lock him up a couple of years ago...and Vinny said no.

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[quote=SmootSmack;894019]Redskins had the opportunity to lock him up a couple of years ago...and [B]Vinny said no.[/B][/quote]

[IMG]http://brutalgamer.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/picard-facepalm.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=SmootSmack;894019]Redskins had the opportunity to lock him up a couple of years ago...and Vinny said no.[/quote]Well, they've had no shortage of opportunities to get it done, they just didn't. I don't think it's just Vinny's fault or just Shanahan's fault. It's at least partially Fletcher's fault.

And now it makes as much sense to look elsewhere as it does to give Fletch the extra $2 mil/year or whatever he's looking for. It's just dumb that it ever reached this point.

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With a guy his age I can understand letting him play out his contract.

Could they have approached him last year at some point. Definitely. Do we know if they did or not?

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I would go hard line with London. Can't throw ridiculous amounts of guaranteed money at someone his age. It needs to be something they can get out from under with minimal damage if he suddenly loses it. I am prepared to let him walk if someone else shows him the money...

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[quote=Mattyk;894029]With a guy his age I can understand letting him play out his contract.

Could they have approached him last year at some point. Definitely. Do we know if they did or not?[/quote]It was definitely a decision they made to let him play out his contract. We know from mid season last year, perhaps as early as October, that the Fletcher camp was wondering what more the Redskins wanted London to show them.

In the end, I think they'll either re-sign or be able to replace him, but I doubt the Redskins will be better off at the LB position than they were a year ago, and good organizations try to make their strengths stronger every year. It sure seems like the Redskins are going all in on offense and pretending like the defensive side of the ball will just take care of itself.

At least, that's one way of interpreting Shanahan's excitement over stuff like getting Jarvis Jenkins back. We've heard little (if anything) about trying to upgrade Hall or Atogwe, so it sure appears like the plan is lose/replace Fletcher and Landry and then rest on the accomplishments of the other players.