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^^ that?

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[quote=redskins5044;897935]Has the draft pick trade with the Rams been approved yet.


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Yes. I don't have a link handy but approval was announced this afternoon. Bring on Griffin!

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[quote=exit0;897926]I'm also someone puzzled with the signing of these 3 receivers. None are that special and just more of what they usually get at WR... small receivers who can't break away from the defensive backs covering them. At least all 3 of these guys are young. But where is the 6-3, 220 WR that can be the go-to person when you need a first down... maybe Hankerson if he stops dropping passes.

I sure hope to hear of some great OL and DL FA picks here pretty soon... fingers crossed.[/quote]

Eddie Royal is the smurf, Garcon is the middle man, and Morgan is big.

They're all burners. Royal has the fastest 40 time, running an official time of 4.39. Garcon and Morgan are under 4.5 in terms of 40 time.

Morgan is also apparently a good BLOCKER in addition to his speed, hence his BLOCKING will contribute to big plays in the running game.

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How are so many people saying the cap cuts don't effect us. Sure we signed 3 receivers immediately, but then people expect a CB, RT and two safeties, as well as fletcher, and a backup qb. Hopefully I'm wrong or we get money back but I don't see the numbers adding up.

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Eddie Royal is done and the draft pick trade with st louis is done for whomever asked that question.

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[quote=SKINSnCANES;897939]How are so many people saying the cap cuts don't effect us. Sure we signed 3 receivers immediately, but then people expect a CB, RT and two safeties, as well as fletcher, and a backup qb. Hopefully I'm wrong or we get money back but I don't see the numbers adding up.[/quote]

I thought we were in a rebuild in which not all the holes are going to be patched in one offseason. ;)

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[quote=Big C;897910][B]hall could make a good ball hawking free safety i believe.[/B] he has great ball skills and hands, his man to man coverage is what stinks. lavar and dukes tossed the idea around. we definitely need help at safety, and we could bring in corner help in FA[/quote]

What a disaster that would be! We'd have to pracice saying "Ole'!" so we'll be ready to watch him step aside to let offensive players go by him and score. He doesn't want to tackle anybody. I say cut his worthless ass and save $6M.

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I was busy for most of the day, can someone explain to me what our cap situation is at currently?

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[quote=SKINSnCANES;897939]How are so many people saying the cap cuts don't effect us. Sure we signed 3 receivers immediately, but then people expect a CB, RT and two safeties, as well as fletcher, and a backup qb. Hopefully I'm wrong or we get money back but I don't see the numbers adding up.[/quote]

I'm feeling like there's a big FU coming from the Skins to the rest of the NFL. Could they possibly be that bold and get away with it?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;897952]I'm feeling like there's a big FU coming from the Skins to the rest of the NFL. Could they possibly be that bold and get away with it?[/quote]

We have the FO to do it. Danny won't back down, Shanahan's got a strong backbone too, and don't underestimate George Allen's son.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;897942]Eddie Royal is done and the draft pick trade with st louis is done for whomever asked that question.[/quote]

Thanks CB!

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So we bring in 3 decent WR's and two of them are home town hero's.

Josh Morgan- HD Woodson H.S., DC. VT Hokie (played the same time Eddie Royal did)
Pierre Garcon- West Palm Beach FL. College in Vermont.
Eddie Royal- South Lakes H.S./West Field H.S., VA. VT Hokie

2 home town hero's/ VT Hokie's. :)

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Pierre Garcon, Eddie Royal, and Josh Morgan are all young WR's that can stretch the field, which IMO is what we've lacked for years... And, anyone who thinks/says Gaffney, our only true possession WR, should be axed, especially with him coming off having his best yr, is INSANE.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;897953]We have the FO to do it. Danny won't back down, Shanahan's got a strong backbone too, and don't underestimate George Allen's son.[/quote]

The problem is... doesn't the League have to agree with the contracts? and if the Skins are over couldn't the League say "Nope, not gunna agree to specific contract until you get below the CAP"?

When is the date the team has to be below the CAP? if they are over.

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I think people need to realize that there are 10 teams after Winston. Given that we can't cut J. Brown, I don't know if we will go hard after him. Also, with a running game and all of these burners at WRs, and an accurate passer, our o-line as it is may look better.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;897918]a point someone made earlier is still sticking with me.

Marques Colston signed a smaller deal to stay in New Orleans, and was considered the best or second best WR on the market. Pierre was the third best and got a bigger offer. Thats either bad negotiating by us or Marques knows he's not that good without brees. somethings off here..[/quote]

Well because the Saints didn't let Colston hit the open market. In an open market, he would get more

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[quote=IrMitchell;897950]I was busy for most of the day, can someone explain to me what our cap situation is at currently?[/quote]

No one really knows. The NFL took 18 mill. Which should have left us with like 15 to 20 mill I'd guess.

Then go up a couple of posts and you'll see the break down for Garcon alone which is like 13 mill this year. Then there is the Carriker deal, Josh Morgan deal, Eddie Royal deal..... each about 2 mill a year.

[QUOTE=vallin21;897959]Pierre Garcon, Eddie Royal, and Josh Morgan are all young WR's that can stretch the field, which IMO is what we've lacked for years... And, anyone who thinks/says Gaffney, our only true possession WR, should be axed, especially with him coming off having his best yr, is INSANE.[/QUOTE]

Niles Paul and Hankerson can be possession WR's and the TE's are possession guys too, so if they wanted to release him they have guys to fill that role.


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[quote=SmootSmack;897962]Well because the Saints didn't let Colston hit the open market. In an open market, he would get more[/quote]

Yep, once a player hits the open market, it becomes an auction for the player and teams will put in bids. The only difference from a typical auction in this case is that the player can choose which bid to accept.

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[quote=vallin21;897959]Pierre Garcon, Eddie Royal, and Josh Morgan are all young WR's that can stretch the field, which IMO is what we've lacked for years... And, anyone who thinks/says Gaffney, our only true possession WR, should be axed, especially with him coming off having his best yr, is INSANE.[/quote]

I don't see how Gaffney having his best year is comparable to Moss putting up 3 years of 1000+ yards and 1 year only a few yards shy of 1000. I feel the only reason Moss didn't break out this year as well is him being injured and playing QB carousel during the year. It's like saying, "why did Fred Davis do so much better than Chris Cooley. We need to get rid of him."

Either way it's never a good sign when you're trying to decide which old guy is better than the other. Personally I don't think either of them have too much longer to put up big numbers.

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Per Adam Schefter on twitter

Vincent Jackson deal in Tampa: 5 yrs, $55.55 million, including $26 million guaranteed, $36 million in 1st 3 yrs, $26 million in 1st 2 yrs

For those wondering what it would have cost to get V-Jax

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[quote=SmootSmack;897962]Well because the Saints didn't let Colston hit the open market. In an open market, he would get more[/quote]

I already said that. I GET THE CREDIT. YOU ALWAYS STEAL [I]MY [/I]CREDIT. :)

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[quote=vallin21;897959]Pierre Garcon, Eddie Royal, and Josh Morgan are all young WR's that can stretch the field, which IMO is what we've lacked for years... And, anyone who thinks/says Gaffney, our only true possession WR, should be axed, especially with him coming off having his best yr, is INSANE.[/quote]

Unless Royal and/or Morgan is/are also sure-handed and thus can play the possession role.

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[quote=Lotus;897974]I already said that. I GET THE CREDIT. YOU ALWAYS STEAL [I]MY [/I]CREDIT. :)[/quote]

Pfffttt... Credit diva.

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[quote=Lotus;897974]I already said that. I GET THE CREDIT. YOU ALWAYS STEAL [I]MY [/I]CREDIT. :)[/quote]

You said it first but I was thinking it first.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;897976]Unless Royal and/or Morgan is/are also sure-handed and thus can play the possession role.[/quote]

Morgan could be a possession guy. He has the build and the toughness for it.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;897978]You said it first but I was thinking it first.[/quote]

Damn. I lose again. :(

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You guys think Garcon can develop into a true WR1? Will he demand double coverage? I guess he's got the best years still ahead of him, but I remember him being inconsistent, dropping as many catchable balls as making outstanding catches. Thoughts?

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Hankerson___Royal_____Davis___OL____Cooley___Morgan____Garcon

Shotgun

RGIII


It ain't every down, but it is scary looking.

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[quote=theJBexperience;897983]You guys think Garcon can develop into a true WR1? Will he demand double coverage? I guess he's got the best years still ahead of him, but I remember him being inconsistent, dropping as many catchable balls as making outstanding catches. Thoughts?[/quote]

Why cant we assume hankerson to be our #1?

[QUOTE=Skinsfanatic;897984]Hankerson___Royal_____Davis___OL____Cooley___Morgan____Garcon

Shotgun

RGIII


It ain't every down, but it is scary looking.[/QUOTE]

That would be a penalty


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[quote=theJBexperience;897983]You guys think Garcon can develop into a true WR1? Will he demand double coverage? I guess he's got the best years still ahead of him, but I remember him being inconsistent, dropping as many catchable balls as making outstanding catches. Thoughts?[/quote]

Drops are a problem with Garcon. Hopefully he works on his hands.

Otherwise, yes, I think Garcon can be a guy who threatens defenses like a #1 WR. And if he doesn't then Hank (who also has a problem with the dropsies) may take over that role.

My 2 cents

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lol^ twelve men on the field doesn't work, but it would be damn scary if we could get away with it.... :)

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[quote=mbedner3420;897985]Why cant we assume hankerson to be our #1?[/quote]

Thats what I think will pan out by the end of the season.
If he performs like a real #1 we are going to have a hella good receiving group.

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[quote=redskins5044;897986]That would be a penalty


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But it would still be scary.

:-)

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[quote=mbedner3420;897985]Why cant we assume hankerson to be our #1?[/quote]

Hard to judge from one good game, right? And he did just have surgery? Usually, the third year is the breakout year for receivers too.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;897988]lol^ twelve men on the field doesn't work, but it would be damn scary if we could get away with it.... :)[/quote]

Yeah, I got a little too excited, so many weapons.

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Just read that Garcon's actual guarantees are actually 13.1 mil? That's not bad if you ask me.

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[quote=Ruhskins;897994]Just read that Garcon's actual guarantees are actually 13.1 mil? That's not bad if you ask me.[/quote]

Sounds better than VJax's 21 mil, eh?

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;897984]Hankerson___Royal_____Davis___OL____Cooley___Morgan____Garcon

Shotgun

RGIII


It ain't every down, but it is scary looking.[/quote]

Not one of those receivers has ever had 1,000yds in their career, the O-line is beyond junk, and RGIII is a rookie. I'm not hating because I'm excited to see how it pans out also, but "scary" is a vast overstatement.