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Sorry what I meant was not sure, as in not sure what you're talking about because I hadn't heard anything about him possibly not playing. Sure hope he plays since Cedric Griffin isn't playing

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[quote=SmootSmack;946426]A lot of folks are stupid[/quote]

Ya, like people saying that Mike Shanahan has had alot of success in his 3 years in washington other than RG3.

Blind Optimism is fine, shit, I wish I could be like that. I'm just getting tired of, "Its gonna happen next year. Give him a couple years to tidy up the roster." Excuses run frikkin thin when we have been this bad for this long. Doesn't seem to me that Shanahan has done much to earn the huge contract he got. Our offense is better this year, yes. But we have played some shit ass defenses too, and we couldn't stop a pee wee team in our secondary. Over half of Mikes personnel moves are highly questionable. Does it feel like we might be a bit better than 09? Yes, maybe a bit due to the RG3 factor. But as an overall team? No. I'd wager that the team in 09 played better with a nop name coach and older guys than Shanahan is doing with 3 years at the helm, and now EVERYONE on this team is a Shanahan product, either because he brought them here, or wanted them to stay. I hope I am wrong, but medicority seems like the standard with Mike. I think the game might have passed him by a little more than people realize. For Christs sake, Gibbs 2.0 did a hell of alot more with a hell of alot less when he came back. No excuses or a 4 year team building deal with him. It seems like its just all excuses lately.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;946536]Doubtful last I heard[/QUOTE]

Thanks bro

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[quote=Mechanix544;946540]Ya, like people saying that Mike Shanahan has had alot of success in his 3 years in washington other than RG3.

Blind Optimism is fine, shit, I wish I could be like that. I'm just getting tired of, "Its gonna happen next year. Give him a couple years to tidy up the roster." Excuses run frikkin thin when we have been this bad for this long. Doesn't seem to me that Shanahan has done much to earn the huge contract he got. Our offense is better this year, yes. But we have played some shit ass defenses too, and we couldn't stop a pee wee team in our secondary. Over half of Mikes personnel moves are highly questionable. Does it feel like we might be a bit better than 09? Yes, maybe a bit due to the RG3 factor. But as an overall team? No. I'd wager that the team in 09 played better with a nop name coach and older guys than Shanahan is doing with 3 years at the helm, and now EVERYONE on this team is a Shanahan product, either because he brought them here, or wanted them to stay. I hope I am wrong, but medicority seems like the standard with Mike. I think the game might have passed him by a little more than people realize. For Christs sake, Gibbs 2.0 did a hell of alot more with a hell of alot less when he came back. No excuses or a 4 year team building deal with him. It seems like its just all excuses lately.[/quote]

I've already said what I'm going to say multiple times here in a thread that should have nothing to do with reviewing Shanahan. Moving forward I'm talking about week 4 of the 2012 season. You're welcome to join me

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[quote=Mattyk;946517]I wasn't talking directly to you.[/quote]

No, I think both SS and Matty were directing those comments at me. But I digress, I'm not a pessimistic person. Its just that three years in, we are looking not so good. Our secondary is absolutely horrid, our oline is one of the worst in the league, and if not for the mobility and gem of a find in the 6th round, it would be alot more apparent. I want Shanahan to exceed all expectations.

I just believe that the game might have passed him by a little. I mean the guy has won ONE playoff game in 14 years. I swear I'm not slamming the guy, but fact is that he has never been a defensive guru. And being in the military, one saying that has always rung true in every aspect of life, business, sports, what have you, is that an excellent leader surrounds himself with excellent minds. Not first born children, Jim Haslett and a below average secondary coach who stunk it up in Tampa Bay, and a ST coach who should be on a skewer. I do think that if Mike wants any shot of really doing anything in the postseason in his time here in DC, he needs to clean up the other coaches maybe????????Maybe its not him, its his support system? I dunno, but the excuses of always being at least 2 years away, and then it not happening after the two years, rinse repeat for another two years, that shit is wearing thin.

That said, I will be wearing my Mark Moseley jersey tomorrow and cheering like hell that we have finally found an answer at QB, RB and #1 WR. I did make a stupid comment about RG3 being the ONLY good thing he has done. Alfred Morris, Kerrigan and Bowen all look great. Jury is still out on PG, but at least the WR corps is looking up. But we have regressed at alot of other positions. I just hope he can put the pieces together, whoever and whatever he has, and WIN. And that is fine, SS, back to the week 4 comments. But if you say that my words have no merit and are useless, then expect a response, especially when the argument IS valid and deserves to be had. Sorry about going off topic though and having the discussion in this thread. I do apologize.

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Interesting that people are still complaining about the o-line despite the fact we have the #1 scoring offense and are #6 in yardage. It's far from perfect especially at RT, but it's far from being the worst in the league. Morris is 9th in the league in rushing too.

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[quote=Mattyk;946557]Interesting that people are still complaining about the o-line despite the fact we have the #1 scoring offense and are #6 in yardage. It's far from perfect especially at RT, but it's far from being the worst in the league. Morris is 9th in the league in rushing too.[/quote]

O-line is pretty good at the run, pretty bad in pass protection. I'm not happy about it but I'm content with the way things are. It could definitely be worse.

If any of u watched gb or Dallas play this year you would love our oline

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[quote=Mattyk;946557][B]Interesting[/B] that people are still complaining about the o-line despite the fact we have the [B]#1 scoring offense and are #6 in yardage.[/B] It's far from perfect especially at RT, but it's far from being the worst in the league. Morris is 9th in the league in rushing too.[/quote]
Wait a minute.....
In 250...ish posts in this thread alone, THIS is the first time this has been mentioned? With all the negative nonsense, and this is the first time?
....Hard to imagine

I don't see much changing from our offense I think we will finish in the top ten in yards and scoring this year.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;946566]I don't see much changing from our offense I think we will finish in the top ten in yards and scoring this year.[/quote]

But where on defense? lol we could score 100 points but if the other team scores 101, we're still screwed.

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Sad thing is, we made Sam Bradford and Andy Dalton look like All World QB's. The only time our defense looked good was game 1, when everyone was healthy and the Saints were in disarray. I have hope though, and hopefully enough of our weaknesses have been brought to light early in the season, so we can adjust. But I do fear the Haslett adjustments, or lack thereof.

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[quote=Mattyk;946557]Interesting that people are still complaining about the o-line despite the fact we have the #1 scoring offense and are #6 in yardage. It's far from perfect especially at RT, but it's far from being the worst in the league. Morris is 9th in the league in rushing too.[/quote]



Fans don't care Matty,it's the wins and loss's they look at.

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[quote=Mattyk;946557]Interesting that people are still complaining about the o-line despite the fact we have the #1 scoring offense and are #6 in yardage. It's far from perfect especially at RT, but it's far from being the worst in the league. Morris is 9th in the league in rushing too.[/quote]

Problem is when RG3 goes out for the remainder of the year from a blind side hit b/c Jordan or Polumbus whiff, then people are going to be livid. Its just a dangerous situation with the 3rd.

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[quote=Giantone;946574]Fans don't care Matty,it's the wins and loss's they look at.[/quote]
.......Not True
At least not universally.

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[quote=Hog1;946579].......Not True
At least not universally.[/quote]

I would beg to differ,as long as the Skins win ,fans don't care if they have the #1 offense or the #32

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Any fan with.....any football acumen understands the relationship between team building and a long term winning team. You have to build the squad before any long term success can be seen. The success of the offense of late suggests it may be turning the corner, or at least making significant progress.
Any knowledgeable fan understands this. We have many such fans here on the WP. To suggest that this fact has no meaning to a "Fan" is....wrong.

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[quote=Hog1;946582]Any fan with.....any football acumen understands the relationship between team building and a long term winning team. You have to build the squad before any long term success can be seen. The success of the offense of late suggests it may be turning the corner, or at least making significant progress.
Any knowledgeable fan understands this. We have many such fans here on the WP. To suggest that this fact has no meaning to a "Fan" is....wrong.[/quote]

We are to late to add logic to this thread. No more

[QUOTE=Giantone;946574]Fans don't care Matty,it's the wins and loss's they look at.[/QUOTE]

Giants fans wanted eli and tc run out of town during your third sb run a few years ago and they were booing the hell out of the team at half time of the dallas game this year at your home opening sb 4 win / party! Guess us skins fans arent the only ones that want wins. Hell if we win two championships during the next four years i promise i wont boo during the opening game the following year. Lol
Not saying you were one of them giantone but there were thousands of them.

[QUOTE=imaskin4life;946537]Are the concerns with wilson related to the concussion symptoms from week 2 or something new?[/QUOTE]

I heard he got banged up during the bengals game and was limited in practice this week. Thought i heard that on espn
Cant find anything about it now. I guess i misheard or was misinformed. Sorry. Little out of the skins news alerts up here in jersey.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;946566]I don't see much changing from our offense I think we will finish in the top ten in yards and scoring this year.[/quote]

As long as RG3 is healthy, absolutely!

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[quote=Hog1;946582]Any fan with.....any football acumen understands the relationship between team building and a long term winning team. You have to build the squad before any long term success can be seen. The success of the offense of late suggests it may be turning the corner, or at least making significant progress.
Any knowledgeable fan understands this. We have many such fans here on the WP. To suggest that this fact has no meaning to a "Fan" is....wrong.[/quote]Like for example, our defense. It took three years of mismanagement and a couple timely injuries to make this mess. It wasn't made overnight.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;946589]Giants fans wanted eli and tc run out of town during your third sb run a few years ago and they were booing the hell out of the team at half time of the dallas game this year at your home opening sb 4 win / party! QUOTE]


First ,no they didn't want Eli or Coughlin run out of town so you know not of what you speak,the media starts that not the fans.I will say when the Giants don't play well the fans let them know it,from your post I guess we should sit back and be quiet,what you also "forgot to say" ...is when they win and play well Giant fans can be the best,as with any team.

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[quote=Hog1;946582]Any fan with.....any football acumen understands the relationship between team building and a long term winning team. You have to build the squad before any long term success can be seen. The success of the offense of late suggests it may be turning the corner, or at least making significant progress.
Any knowledgeable fan understands this. We have many such fans here on the WP. To suggest that this fact has no meaning to a "Fan" is....wrong.[/quote]Like for example being the most penalized team in football after three weeks. That's not the kind of thing that happens overnight. That's three years in the making.

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[quote=Hog1;946582]Any fan with.....any football acumen understands the relationship between team building and a long term winning team. You have to build the squad before any long term success can be seen. The success of the offense of late suggests it may be turning the corner, or at least making significant progress.
Any knowledgeable fan understands this. We have many such fans here on the WP. To suggest that this fact has no meaning to a "Fan" is....wrong.[/quote]


Didn't say no meaning or that fans don't understand it,what I'm saying is at the end of the day, ....season, the fans main concern is wins and loss's.

P.S.

...and so there is no misundersdtanding, by fans I mean fans of all the teams.

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[quote=SmootSmack;946470]People hold onto this myth that all these teams bring in a new coach, jump instantly from "worst to first" and sustain it. That's rarely ever true. It often takes years of building up the roster and often the staff that does the leg work isn't around to enjoy the fruits of their labor.

Three years ago Redskins fans complained we had no young talent at QB, no youth or depth at OL, no franchise QB, slow and old defensive line, no legit #1 WR, no draft picks.

We've got those things. And we should benefit long term from these moves. But since they aren't all Pro Bowlers an we're not coming off an NFC championship I guess they're all losers[/quote]The problem is that the Redskins really don't have these things now, especially draft picks. Our no. 1 receiver thus far has been Aldrick Robinson. Our defensive line is average and stocked with players who have been around 6 to 7 years. Our offensive line doesn't even have enough depth to start NFL quality players at the tackle position.

To show for the limited draft picks over the next two drafts, we have RG3. And Kirk Cousins. And Alfred Morris. That's it.

The idea that we're somehow in better long term position because of this variation of a below average football team instead of the last four variations is just total bunk. You can't just assume that the future justifies the present. Go off what the tape and the numbers tell you instead of blind faith.

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[quote=GTripp0012;946607]The problem is that the Redskins really don't have these things now, especially draft picks. [/quote]

??

So were are missing 2 draft picks out of the next two years and all of a sudden we are "don't have these things"??

Amazing.

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[quote=GTripp0012;946607]The problem is that the Redskins really don't have these things now, especially draft picks. Our no. 1 receiver thus far has been Aldrick Robinson. Our defensive line is average and stocked with players who have been around 6 to 7 years. Our offensive line doesn't even have enough depth to start NFL quality players at the tackle position.

[B]To show for the limited draft picks over the next two drafts, we have RG3. And Kirk Cousins. And Alfred Morris. That's it.
[/B]
The idea that we're somehow in better long term position because of this variation of a below average football team instead of the last four variations is just total bunk. You can't just assume that the future justifies the present. Go off what the tape and the numbers tell you instead of blind faith.[/quote]

Gettis, McRib, Compton, Crawford? Already given up on these guys?

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[quote=GTripp0012;946605]Like for example being the most penalized team in football after three weeks. That's not the kind of thing that happens overnight. That's three years in the making.[/quote]

If that continues with the real refs I will agree. As of now, nothing those scabs did counts as much of anything. When a large amount of the penalties and cheap shots were either never called or blatantly miscalled, there is a problem with producing those numbers and acting like they are supposed to mean something.

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So I don't know if anyone realizes it, but today is the 4th Sunday of the 2012 NFL season

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;946623]So I don't know if anyone realizes it, but today is the 4th Sunday of the 2012 NFL season[/QUOTE]

Times flying by, sucks NFL season isn't long enough

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[quote=Chico23231;946610]Gettis, McRib, Compton, Crawford? Already given up on these guys?[/quote]It's not about giving up this draft or the next draft or my evaluation of any of those players, which is way across the board. It's about what the Redskins were willing to give up for what they have gotten.

What we've seen in three games is that the Redskins can still be not that great of a team in spite of the performance of RG3. Which is what we could/should have learned in the Campbell era. But didn't, apparently.

If things are bound to get better, they will get better in short time, starting today. If they don't, then they won't. More time cannot fix incompetence.

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Jake Locker knocked out of game with a hard and clean hit. Looks like his wrist or shoulder. He missed an unblocked blitzing CB.

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^ stays hurt.

Percy Harvin most underrated player in the league period

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[quote=GTripp0012;946626]It's not about giving up this draft or the next draft or my evaluation of any of those players, which is way across the board. It's about what the Redskins were willing to give up for what they have gotten.

What we've seen in three games is that the Redskins can still be not that great of a team in spite of the performance of RG3. Which is what we could/should have learned in the Campbell era. But didn't, apparently.

If things are bound to get better, they will get better in short time, starting today. If they don't, then they won't. More time cannot fix incompetence.[/quote]

Huh? you specifically pointed to the draft and "all we have to show for it". What more do you want to have to show for one draft? 5 pro bowl players? ensured long term success forever? From this draft we got, apparently, a Franchise qb, a Shanahan RB, a promising DB in Crawford, and other potentials. The next two drafts we are missing our 1st round picks, but the rest of the draft board is full, and we have seen quality play from a couple late round picks in each of the Shanallen era.

Then you say that the Skins can't be that great team in spite of RG3's performance even though our offense is #6, and we lead the league in scoring. How that is in any way comparable to the JC years is mind blowing to me.

Incompetence? We lost two primary starters on the D and have reasonable backups to come in, and had Jenkins not suffered the ACL last year, we might not have missed a beat. We have been building depth while trying to find a qb solution. I think it's harsh to be talking about incompetence.

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Akers missing a 55 yarder. Gotkowski (or however you spell it) missed one for NE. Lots of missed field goals today.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;946676]Huh? you specifically pointed to the draft and "all we have to show for it". What more do you want to have to show for one draft? 5 pro bowl players? ensured long term success forever? From this draft we got, apparently, a Franchise qb, a Shanahan RB, a promising DB in Crawford, and other potentials. The next two drafts we are missing our 1st round picks, but the rest of the draft board is full, and we have seen quality play from a couple late round picks in each of the Shanallen era.

Then you say that the Skins can't be that great team in spite of RG3's performance even though our offense is #6, and we lead the league in scoring. How that is in any way comparable to the JC years is mind blowing to me.

Incompetence? We lost two primary starters on the D and have reasonable backups to come in, and had Jenkins not suffered the ACL last year, we might not have missed a beat. We have been building depth while trying to find a qb solution. I think it's harsh to be talking about incompetence.[/quote]

I just ignore him lol. You can type 4 paragraphs of opionated gibberish. Doesnt make you look smarter.

Thank God we didn't take gabbert or locker last yr

Damn Atlanta is fun to watch

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How 'bout dem Bills