[QUOTE=Deivybaby;960098]I honestly hope this is true..[/QUOTE]

I assume you're joking. But if not, why? He was a terrible coach (a quick google search can confirm a rotten record), plus before becoming a head coach, he was an offensive coordinator. I have no idea why we would do this, and I cannot imagine it would be to our advantage.


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[quote=Deivybaby;960098]I honestly hope this is true..[/quote]

With such completely uninformed comments like this, it is difficult to take anything you say seriously. So I don't. Instead, I read your comments for their humour content.

talk to you tomm dude.

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[quote=SmootSmack;958692]Fletcher's disconnect with Haslett was a big reason why he nearly didn't return this year. Haslett and Alexander have butted heads plenty as well. As have Wilson and Haslett[/quote]

Instead of Butting heads they need to go make some plays out there on the field. London Fletcher is a liabilty in pass coverage at his age. London gets owned by most opponets TE's. Haslett cant take all the blame for this shit show on defense.

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The Redskins defense will play better the 2nd half of the season mark it here.. They can only get better and I bet we start using some of our younger players will get more playing time. Young players for the most part will listen to the coach than a vet who may have shut down as Smoot pointed out. Hey if this is true then Hasslet should play the players who will do their assignemnts. I D-line has to get more pressure, anyone seen Barry Cofield lately.( MIA) I want to keep the 3-4 defense so if Hasslet is fired along as they hire a 3-4 guy im good.

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I was in favor of waiting until after the season to make this move, but after today, I say make the move now. I'm not saying this is all Jim's fault, but it's obvious this defense has stopped playing for Jim even though it's hurting big time with injuries. They need a spark and they need one bad.


Also, the majority of our secondary and fletcher need to be replaced at the years end.

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[quote=NC_Skins;960886]I was in favor of waiting until after the season to make this move, but after today, I say make the move now. I'm not saying this is all Jim's fault, but it's obvious this defense has stopped playing for Jim even though it's hurting big time with injuries. They need a spark and they need one bad.


Also, the majority of our secondary and fletcher need to be replaced at the years end.[/quote]

I do not honestly know if I would can his ass now or not. I DO know in light of the performance and the rumor that he has "lost the locker room", I would certainly evaluate....ALL my options...immediately over the bye...

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[quote=Hog1;960888]I do not honestly know if I would can his ass now or not. I DO know in light of the performance and the rumor that he has "lost the locker room", I would certainly evaluate....ALL my options...immediately over the bye...[/quote]


Like I said, I'm not one for firing coaches during the season, but it's obvious those players haven't responded to Haslett. The ones that aren't responding need to moved out at years end as well. It's just we need spark. Something. ANYTHING. This team is desperate.


Personally, I don't see how any team loses 6 starters(2 pro-bowlers) on their squad and not suffer big time.

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Was there a story he has lost some players?

Thank god some people notice fletch getting beat like a drum. I'm his biggest fan btw, the guy is a hof player, just not anymore.

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[quote=Evilgrin;960968]Was there a story he has lost some players?

Thank god some people notice fletch getting beat like a drum. I'm his biggest fan btw, the guy is a hof player, just not anymore.[/quote]

Yes there was.


If you notice, they were specifically targeting Olsen's match up with Fletcher today. We were lucky that Olsen dropped a pass and Cam wasn't accurate or otherwise he would have been torched more than what he was. (olsen was targeted 9 times today)

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[quote=NC_Skins;960974]Yes there was.


If you notice, they were specifically targeting Olsen's match up with Fletcher today. We were lucky that Olsen dropped a pass and Cam wasn't accurate or otherwise he would have been torched more than what he was. (olsen was targeted 9 times today)[/quote]

Check my post history, I called this out at least a month ago. I keep harping on it also, but it's not just fletch struggling, riley struggles as well.

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[quote=44ever;959215]Yep! History proves that this will be the game that puts Cams game back on track. We will be the team to give him back the name "SuperCam". Some of you know what Im talking about. Just watch and see...[/quote]

Tada!

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Perry Riley is the new Fletcher.

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This guys can't be wrong, right? Of course not.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2012/11/05/darrell-green-charles-mann-poor-technique-to-blame-for-redskins-defensive-struggles/]Darrell Green, Charles Mann: Poor technique to blame for Redskins’ defensive struggles[/url]

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Yeah, I wanna blame Haslett, but since we are in a comparison type lifestyle.. How good is the Ravens defense now that they lost 2 of their best players?

We've lost 4.

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I think they should relieve Haslett of his post, but I don't believe Shanahan will. While the injuries have been bad, let's not forget that Meriweather and T-Jax were marginal players brought in to compete for a starting role. Everyone pretty much knew the secondary was a weak link even before the injuries and suspension. Orakpo's absence has been detrimental, as has Carriker's, but doesn't fully explain being one of the worst defenses in the league. Potentially one of the worst pass defenses in NFL history.

In my opinion, it's almost always better to make a move sooner than later, and especially now that the team is in a state of turmoil bordering on dysfuntionality. I just can't see how Haslett will be the D-coordinator next year, and prolonging the agony only adds further insult to all involved. This is an explosive situation that likely will worsen as the season goes on in my opinion.

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Bummer that doesn't seem to be the case, Shanahan won't take responsibility for hiring a clown.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2012/11/05/jim-hasletts-job-appears-safe-through-bye-week/]Jim Haslett, other coaches are safe through bye week, Shanahan says [this post has been updated][/url]

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Look on the bright side: If enough people submit write-in votes for Jim Haslett for President today, then we Redskins fans could be rid of his dumb ass by January.

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The question then becomes, who do you replace Haslett with? Does Mike Shanahan still want the 34 defense or is he willing to alter the defense to a 43? Something tells me Haslett is not going anywhere and neither is the 34.

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Some names under consideration: Darren Perry, Vance Joseph, Ted Monachino, Kevin Coyle, Mark Duffner

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[quote=SmootSmack;961893]Some names under consideration: Darren Perry, Vance Joseph, Ted Monachino, Kevin Coyle, Mark Duffner[/quote]

I like Vance Joseph from the Texans myself. I know Wade gets most of the credit, but their secondary is all over the place and fun to watch.

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[quote=SmootSmack;961893]Some names under consideration: Darren Perry, Vance Joseph, Ted Monachino, Kevin Coyle, Mark Duffner[/quote]

Mark Duffner the old Maryland coach? He was horrible with the Terps, another Haslett?

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[quote=SmootSmack;961893]Some names under consideration: Darren Perry, Vance Joseph, Ted Monachino, Kevin Coyle, Mark Duffner[/quote]

Since you are mentioning NCAA defensive coordinators, what about Bob Diaco?

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What NCAA guy did I mention?

[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;961993]Since you are mentioning NCAA defensive coordinators, what about Bob Diaco?[/QUOTE]

What about Nick Aliotti?
ND has looked stout this year on D but Manti Teo is a man posessed.

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[quote=punch it in;962017]What about Nick Aliotti?
ND has looked stout this year on D but Manti Teo is a man posessed.[/quote]

That's one LB I would love to see in B&G.

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[quote=53Fan;959370]Just out of curiousity I checked Gibbs defenses in both stints. Like Shanny an offensive mind that became a HC. Pretty impressive. From 1981-92 and 2004-07 he only had 2 bad defenses. 1988 ranked 26 and 2006 ranked 27. That's alot of years in between. He had 7 top ten defenses including a 1
and a 2 ranked defense. 4 ranked 11. And after his first year ranked at 16, only twice had a defense ranked below 13....which were the 2 bad defenses I mentioned. Pretty consistent.[/quote]

Gibbs wasn't an egomaniac like Shanny. For some reason I feel Mike doesn't want a competent Defensive coach on the staff because he doens't want the competion. Looking at his DCs none of them were barn burners. I wouldn't be surprised if he replaced Haslett with another jabroni DC.

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[quote=Bucket;962027]That's one LB I would love to see in B&G.[/quote]

Teo would be an excellent replacement for London Fletcher. But what about Keenan Robinson? Isn't he being groomed to eventually replace Fletcher? I think he is.

[QUOTE=Bucket;962027]That's one LB I would love to see in B&G.[/QUOTE]

I think we can all agree on that.

[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;962165]Teo would be an excellent replacement for London Fletcher. But what about Keenan Robinson? Isn't he being groomed to eventually replace Fletcher? I think he is.[/QUOTE]

Either way Teo isnt making it out of the first round so......

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[quote=punch it in;962017]What about Nick Aliotti?
ND has looked stout this year on D but Manti Teo is a man posessed.[/quote]

I think I realized why you want Nick Aliotti so much; Because he supposedly runs a hybrid 4-3 3-4 defense...?

Interesting but its a college coach. Those guys are shaky. I guess I'd rather have him over the ND guy, considering that when I watched OU game, he had his DBs playing like ours, way off the ball. I don't think he'd work as well in the NFL as Aliotti could. But both are good D coordinators.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;962165]Teo would be an excellent replacement for London Fletcher. But what about Keenan Robinson? Isn't he being groomed to eventually replace Fletcher? I think he is.[/quote]

A) You probably haven't looked into the draft rankings or watch much college football, because Te'o isn't just the best MLB in the country, nor is he the one of the best defensive players in the country, he's in the Heismann race because he's just that good all around. He isn't dropping into the 2nd round. Not. A. Chance.

B) Keenan Robinson is being groomed to be one of our MLBs, whether its to replace Fletcher or go to Riley's spot when Riley goes to Fletchers spot (more likely to happen). But I'll say this. Keenan hasn't been on defense much this year, so thats questionable. Fletcher has been bad this year. If Robinson is going to be a future starter on this team, he needs to be starting now. Also coming out of college the knock on Keenan was that he gets engulfed and run over in the run game (but he excels very well on pass defense) maybe he'll bulk up and improve, but I honestly don't see Keenan as a future year in and year out starter. I see him more in that Mark Herzlich role that he plays for the Giants; let the 3 LB's start and fill in on different downs and be a special teams stud.

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I'd look to a program where a 3-4 defense is run for sure for LB talent. Notre Dame, Maryland, or Alabama comes to mind. The Redskins need to get out of the habit of converting 4-3 linebackers into 3-4 personnel and look for that fit from true sources.

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Converting players isn't an uncommon thing, or a Redskins thing. There just aren't enough schools that run a 3-4.

Kerrigan was a "tweener" too. So they are targeting 3-4 guys.

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Alabama would without a doubt have the best 3-4 prospects along the defensive line and LB corps in the country. At least 5 out of their seven man front is headed to the NFL.

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Most teams have to convert linebackers from 3-4 to 4-3, Cushing, Patrick Willis, Bowman, Sean Lee, are a couple that I remember playing 4-3 and playing very well in a 3-4. Just about scouting and making sure you draft the players with the right skills to fit your system.

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The thing is, you don't want to have another Rocky McIntosh or Andre Carter. Players who best suit the 43 and then have them play in a 3-4 scheme that's not suited for them.

[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;962528]The thing is, you don't want to have another Rocky McIntosh or Andre Carter. Players who best suit the 43 and then have them play in a 3-4 scheme that's not suited for them.[/QUOTE]

Definitely. Thats why they are both gone. They were bought in / drafted for the 4-3. Fell victim to the 3-4. Donofriose nailed it though. The scouts have to really step it up when your drafting for a 3-4. Unless of course you are targeting a guy from Bama or one of those schools you referred to. Just that the talent pool shrinks from 300 schools to about 15 unless you are a good judge of a players raw ability to make the jump.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;958661]Oh goodness, this place is fixing to turn into Lord of the Flies.[/quote]

That was a nice comment. I like it.

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[quote=punch it in;962532]Definitely. Thats why they are both gone. They were bought in / drafted for the 4-3. Fell victim to the 3-4. Donofriose nailed it though. The scouts have to really step it up when your drafting for a 3-4. Unless of course you are targeting a guy from Bama or one of those schools you referred to. Just that the talent pool shrinks from 300 schools to about 15 unless you are a good judge of a players raw ability to make the jump.[/quote]

There are certain players who played in the 4-3 in college that you could draft to play in the 3-4 in the pros and it works out. Rocky McIntosh should have succeeded because he played middle LB in college and OLB in the pros so he should have made the transition smoothly. But the idea of making a player like Andre Carter who was/is a pass rushing specialist as a DE in the 4-3 and trying to get him to be a 3-4 OLB and ask him to not only rush the passer from a 2 point stance but cover TEs, FBs, and half backs coming out of the backfield is not what he's good at.