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davis is the best option, i'm just saying, if someone wants to overpay him, there are two other guys we can get for less in FA that'd be fine. paulsen has been okay, but he's not a solid #1 pass catcher.

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[quote=That Guy;969238]davis is the best option, i'm just saying, if someone wants to overpay him, there are two other guys we can get for less in FA that'd be fine. paulsen has been okay, but he's not a solid #1 pass catcher.[/quote]let's sign winslow and shockey to huge deals

[QUOTE=los panda;969240]let's sign winslow and shockey to huge deals[/QUOTE]

And Cooley. We will have another "over the hill gang" at tight end. Kilmer can be the assisstant to the traveling secondary.

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I wish Cooley would get in the mix. He hasn't caught one damn pass since returning.

[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;969258]I wish Cooley would get in mix. He hasn't caught one damn pass since returning.[/QUOTE]

If he did you wouldnt give him credit for it anyway.
:)

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seriously, he's only 30. that's ancient for a rb, not for a te.

were the injuries that serious? my bias won't let me realize it

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[quote=SmootSmack;968087]I can respect your argument.

No, not really. Did mention a couple of weeks back that they gave Compton a nice raise after a few teams sought him out. I suspect he'll get a December call up and will be in the plans for 2013. Think Maurice Hurt might be in the mix too.[/quote]

So, he's been called up today per the Washington Post

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They showed them all working together zone blocking Monday night and it was a thing of beauty!!!

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Compton called up? Nice. I just hope he isn't Selvish Capers Redux.

Is he taking Griffin's spot? If so, it would appear that they are just holding what they got and going with Crawford as next man up in the defensive backfield.

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Another perspective on our O-line

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2012/12/05/rgiii-is-vastly-outperforming-his-offensive-line/]RGIII is vastly outperforming his offensive line[/url]

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[quote=GridIron26;971333]Another perspective on our O-line

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2012/12/05/rgiii-is-vastly-outperforming-his-offensive-line/"]RGIII is vastly outperforming his offensive line[/URL][/quote]

Good find 26, it's a strong article and analysis. I'm not convinced Mike can build a (ZBS) line that works in this division and/or era of football. The run blocking is ok, but much of that success goes back to Morris and RG3 as oppossed to the oline. And the line is garbage in pass blocking.

I think everyone is right to some degree on this issue. Those who say RG3 makes the line better are correct, but the hidden cost (hits on him) is almost as astounding as his talent. Regardless of whether the gimmick offense Mike and Kyle run can work long term against defenses, I think it's already a foregone conclusion it can not work longterm for the person actually running the offense i.e. the QB. Most QBs taking this kind of pounding don't last the season, and the data clearly proves it:

[url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&role=TM&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&archive=false&d-447263-p=1&qualified=true&d-447263-s=PASSING_QBHIT]NFL Stats: by Team Category[/url]

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...you can still make a very, very strong argument that RG3 and the Redskins are succeeding in spite of the regime, rather than because of it. Very disappointed to hear the FO (which is the same as the coach for us :( ) is looking to extend. There's too much coaching talent available to sacrifice your franchise QB over a few short years. Allen and Snyder should be talking to EVERYONE right now.

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how are you sacrificing your QB? id love to know someone who would come in here and put up the numbers mike and kyle have with what we currently have on offense.

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Only a moron would dismiss the offense as some flash in the pan, gimmick offense

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[quote=The Goat;971339]Good find 26, it's a strong article and analysis. I'm not convinced Mike can build a (ZBS) line that works in this division and/or era of football. The run blocking is ok, but much of that success goes back to Morris and RG3 as oppossed to the oline. And the line is garbage in pass blocking.

I think everyone is right to some degree on this issue. Those who say RG3 makes the line better are correct, but the hidden cost (hits on him) is almost as astounding as his talent. Regardless of whether the gimmick offense Mike and Kyle run can work long term against defenses, I think it's already a foregone conclusion it can not work longterm for the person actually running the offense i.e. the QB. Most QBs taking this kind of pounding don't last the season, and the data clearly proves it:

[url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&role=TM&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&archive=false&d-447263-p=1&qualified=true&d-447263-s=PASSING_QBHIT]NFL Stats: by Team Category[/url][/quote]

didn't you post that link once and it was pointed out that Luck has taken 20+ more hits, and that half the qb's in the league take within 10 the same number of hit as Griffin. In other words one number doesn't prove your statement.
Here are some historical running QB's and one non runner, and their respective careers:

Cunningham played 1985-1995 (main team)
Steve Young took over from Montana in 90 played till 98
McNabb played from 1999 to 2009 (main team)
Vick 2001-2006, 2009-2011


A point of reference, Peyton Manning, a qb who we all would agree was not the mobile scrambler type played from 1999-2010, and was out a year with his neck injuries.

And of course Favre who took tons of hits and kept on playing.

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[quote=GridIron26;971333]Another perspective on our O-line

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2012/12/05/rgiii-is-vastly-outperforming-his-offensive-line/]RGIII is vastly outperforming his offensive line[/url][/quote]

But then Pro Football Focus has them I believe in the top 10 (maybe top 15).

So the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle, I suppose

Certainly RG3 has helped (in a big way) but I think it's quite frankly insulting (not addressing you here) to act like Mike, Kyle, Chris Foerster and the OL have nothing to do at all when the offense is successful. You'd have to be clueless to think that

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Ptg ^

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and none of those qb's, except Vick maybe, played with anywhere near the protection the rules provide the qb in today's game...

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This season, as in the 12 games we've all watched, has shown us this offense only produces consistently when RG3 is (overly) exposed to big hits from defenders running the pistol/option/etc. We've had full quarters of traditional offense without any success, hardly even a first down. Only a moron doesn't see this.

Again, the gimmicks may yield offensive production for x number of years, but anyone who thinks RG3 or any other human being can play this way for x number of years isn't qualified to procreate, drive a car, etc etc lol.

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[quote=SmootSmack;971354]Only a moron would dismiss the offense as some flash in the pan, gimmick offense[/quote]

Pretty much everyone I've heard talk about the offense this week either on ESPN or NFL radio agrees it's not a gimmick. The pistol is just a short shotgun and gives you the ability to run out of it. No gimmicks there.

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[quote=SmootSmack;971360]But then Pro Football Focus has them I believe in the top 10 (maybe top 15).

[B]So the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle, I suppose[/B]

Certainly RG3 has helped (in a big way) but I think it's quite frankly insulting (not addressing you here) to act like Mike, Kyle, Chris Foerster and the OL have nothing to do at all when the offense is successful. You'd have to be clueless to think that[/quote]

Agreed.

Plus, we just tore up the defending champs for 200+ yards rushing in each of our meetings. I think it's safe to say the zone blocking scheme works here as far as the running game goes. Last I checked you still need holes in order to run. Is the pass pro perfect? Of course not. And this stuff with not crediting the coaches is just beyond tired. Is anyone with half a brain really buying that?

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[quote=Mattyk;971371]Agreed.

Plus, we just tore up the defending champs for 200+ yards rushing in each of our meetings. I think it's safe to say the zone blocking scheme works here as far as the running game goes. Last I checked you still need holes in order to run. Is the pass pro perfect? Of course not. And this stuff with not crediting the coaches is just beyond tired. Is anyone with half a brain really buying that?[/quote]

We have to be very careful here. Yes the coaches get credit for the scheme (it's their scheme lol!!) but you have to give them "credit" for all the results/implications of the scheme. I'm doing that...giving credit for the whole enchilada.

I think some very, very short-sighted fans are giving credit for the offensive production and not the other implications. See?

I also think it's very short-sighted to not recognize RG3 certainly can/hopefully will flourish in a wide variety of offensive schemes/systems.

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So.....many morons..
They're holding the Hog1 back....

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[quote=Hog1;971377]So.....many morons..
They're holding the Hog1 back....[/quote]

Don't worry Hog1, you can succeed no matter what scheme the morons use.

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[quote=The Goat;971376]We have to be very careful here. Yes the coaches get credit for the scheme (it's their scheme lol!!) but you have to give them "credit" for all the results/implications of the scheme. I'm doing that...giving credit for the whole enchilada.

I think some very, very short-sighted fans are giving credit for the offensive production and not the other implications. See?

I also think it's very short-sighted to not recognize RG3 certainly can/hopefully will flourish in a wide variety of offensive schemes/systems.[/quote]

Do you think we'd be better off running a more traditional offense right now given the garbage pass pro as you call it? What sort of offense would you rather see?

I guess I'm just not understanding what your point is overall with your continued criticisms of this offense.

Of course RG3 is super talented and can probably adjust to just about any system. But I think right now given that he's a rookie and we have some weaknesses in pass pro, the system we're running is pretty damn effective and takes full advantage of his strengths while masking some of our weaknesses.

I know, there I go crediting the coaches again. Silly me.

Your version of crediting is just a little odd. The run blocking is [I]ok[/I]? We're #1 in the league in rushing.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/46520/how-not-to-cover-vs-robert-griffin-iii]How not to cover vs. Robert Griffin III - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

For all of the talk you hear about the Washington Redskins and their "gimmicky" offense with rookie quarterback Robert Griffin III, Griffin's actually been pretty good this year when he's thrown the ball way downfield. Griffin is the leading passer in the NFL in completion percentage and yards per attempt on throws that travel at least 10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage, and what may be most impressive is how well he identifies when to take those chances.

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hey matty, shut up. the goat is obviously smarter than you or anyone else here and we should just be thankful that he's willing to pass onto us the opinions of oil men in regards to pro football. his vast experience in the league as both a head coach and owner solidify his solid resume of football knowledge, and thus he must continue to bravely shout the truth of the redskins from on high.

of course, it's much easier to take him seriously if you don't read his posts.




stay strong.




fire shanahan.

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[quote=SmootSmack;971395][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/46520/how-not-to-cover-vs-robert-griffin-iii]How not to cover vs. Robert Griffin III - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

For all of the talk you hear about the Washington Redskins and their "gimmicky" offense with rookie quarterback Robert Griffin III, Griffin's actually been pretty good this year when he's thrown the ball way downfield. Griffin is the leading passer in the NFL in completion percentage and yards per attempt on throws that travel at least 10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage, and what may be most impressive is how well he identifies when to take those chances.[/quote]

I mean really, as a D what do you do? The Giants kept their safeties deep and we just gashed them underneath. You bring your safeties up and RG3 will burn you over the top.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;971386]Don't worry Hog1, you can succeed no matter what scheme the morons use.[/quote]

ahahahhaahhhhhaahhah!

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Just from glancing at some comments, I take it some people still have problem with the playcalling/offensive scheme? If that is the case, I don't get it. Sure every offense, including ours, is going to have it's questionable calls/botched plays, etc. But right now I think our offense is one of the best in the league and one that is very hard to defend.

We are #1 in rushing yards, #2 in yds per rush, #1 in yds per game, and #7 in rushing TDs

In terms of passing, we are in the 20s in terms of total yds, but we are towards the top in the following categories: completion % (#6), yds per pass (tied for first), QB rating (#3), and least INTs (#2).

In overall offense we are top ten in total yardage, [B]total points[/B], total yds per game, and [B]points per game[/B]. I put total points and points per game in bold, because I don't think this is something we have been good at in the past.

Sure there have been a couple of disappointing games and maybe we don't have the best offensive line or WRs. But we're playing some good f*cking football and anyone in general who is being all Chicken Little/Debbie Downer about our offense needs is just not very smart IMO.

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[quote=SmootSmack;971360]But then Pro Football Focus has them I believe in the top 10 (maybe top 15).

So the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle, I suppose

Certainly RG3 has helped (in a big way) but I think it's quite frankly insulting (not addressing you here) to act like Mike, Kyle, Chris Foerster and the OL have nothing to do at all when the offense is successful. You'd have to be clueless to think that[/quote]

Never said that I agree with the article, just that there's another perspective. All I know is that the O-line are playing better than last year and that's all I care about.

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[quote=GridIron26;971424]Never said that I agree with the article, just that there's another perspective. All I know is that the O-line are playing better than last year and that's all I care about.[/quote]

Didn't say you agreed

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;971359]didn't you post that link once and it was pointed out that Luck has taken 20+ more hits, and that half the qb's in the league take within 10 the same number of hit as Griffin. In other words one number doesn't prove your statement.
Here are some historical running QB's and one non runner, and their respective careers:

Cunningham played 1985-1995 (main team)
Steve Young took over from Montana in 90 played till 98
McNabb played from 1999 to 2009 (main team)
Vick 2001-2006, 2009-2011


A point of reference, Peyton Manning, a qb who we all would agree was not the mobile scrambler type played from 1999-2010, and was out a year with his neck injuries.

And of course Favre who took tons of hits and kept on playing.[/quote]

But you're missing the point. RG3 is a RUNNING QB. Don't you get it? :doh:

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Not only that CRedskins, Peyton gets the ball out quicker than ANYONE in recent memory.

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[quote=Ruhskins;971415]Just from glancing at some comments, I take it some people still have problem with the playcalling/offensive scheme? If that is the case, I don't get it. Sure every offense, including ours, is going to have it's questionable calls/botched plays, etc. But right now I think our offense is one of the best in the league and one that is very hard to defend.

We are #1 in rushing yards, #2 in yds per rush, #1 in yds per game, and #7 in rushing TDs

In terms of passing, we are in the 20s in terms of total yds, but we are towards the top in the following categories: completion % (#6), yds per pass (tied for first), QB rating (#3), and least INTs (#2).

In overall offense we are top ten in total yardage, [B]total points[/B], total yds per game, and [B]points per game[/B]. I put total points and points per game in bold, because I don't think this is something we have been good at in the past.

Sure there have been a couple of disappointing games and maybe we don't have the best offensive line or WRs. But we're playing some good f*cking football and anyone in general who is being all Chicken Little/Debbie Downer about our offense needs is just not very smart IMO.[/quote]

This post is outstanding.

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[quote=Ruhskins;971415]Just from glancing at some comments, I take it some people still have problem with the playcalling/offensive scheme? If that is the case, I don't get it. Sure every offense, including ours, is going to have it's questionable calls/botched plays, etc. But right now I think our offense is one of the best in the league and one that is very hard to defend.

We are #1 in rushing yards, #2 in yds per rush, #1 in yds per game, and #7 in rushing TDs

In terms of passing, we are in the 20s in terms of total yds, but we are towards the top in the following categories: completion % (#6), yds per pass (tied for first), QB rating (#3), and least INTs (#2).

In overall offense we are top ten in total yardage, [B]total points[/B], total yds per game, and [B]points per game[/B]. I put total points and points per game in bold, because I don't think this is something we have been good at in the past.

Sure there have been a couple of disappointing games and maybe we don't have the best offensive line or WRs. But we're playing some good f*cking football and anyone in general who is being all Chicken Little/Debbie Downer about our offense needs is just not very smart IMO.[/quote]

Yah...whatever...STFU. You and your stupid facts......
Repeat after me and free your Shanahan...clan hating soul, brother.
They're holding Robert back....
Anyone F...n idiot could run this team with a talent like Robert...if he were not being held back.
That HS/Collegiate Offense will...........never work in the NFL and will NO DOUBT be dropping out of the Top Five in the League....any day.
HTTR...moron

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[quote=Hog1;971478]Yah...whatever...STFU. You and your stupid facts......
Repeat after me and free your Shanahan...clan hating soul, brother.
They're holding Robert back....
Anyone F...n idiot could run this team with a talent like Robert...if he were not being held back.
That HS/Collegiate Offense will...........never work in the NFL and will NO DOUBT be dropping out of the Top Five in the League....any day.
HTTR...moron[/quote]

Man my sarcasm meter must be off. Because im hoping you are being sarcastic as well. Lol

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Yo...........

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[quote=Bucket;971482]Man my sarcasm meter must be off. Because im hoping you are being sarcastic as well. Lol[/quote]

[IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_uB6cbR2wdSw/TSU4g_VeMgI/AAAAAAAAAp0/JRbqXetaSeg/s1600/aabf18_sarcasm_detector.jpg[/IMG]

Things could always be better and things could always be worse. A million different possible scenarios for everything in the universe. At the end of the day im pretty ****ing happy rite now that when we get the ball I know we are going to score - especially when we need to. Ive seen I think two - maybe three victory formations this year- and we are just starting to click.
The O line imo has been pretty rock solid. Griffs biggest hits are when he runs and he has been extremely careful and smart about it since the Atlanta game. Show me a good pocket passer (rg-3 is one of those too as we have seen) that hasnt wound up getting flattened once or twice a game because he stands his ground and waits for his wr. Better than JC getting wide eyed and checking down or Rex chucking the ball up for grabs and usually to the wrong team. Ill give full credit to Shanny for getting guys, and getting rid of guys, that fit his scheme. Ask Almo what he thinks about this line. Oh and TW is an absolute stud this year.