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I will say this. This was not the most memorable game but I have a hard time remembering a more satisfying victory. Even now I'm in some sort of this weird combination of emotions that I can only describe as pissed off happy. Every time I think about the Giants ownership my blood boils.

I have great respect for their players and their front office people but the stunt John Mara pulled this past offseason was enough for me to consider the Giants a bigger rival then the Cowboys. I mean it' one thing to get into a rivalry based on tradition but it's another thing where an opposing owner of a division rival is deliberately trying to sabotage your team. And it's not like we don't know from his statements at the owners meeting that his real goal was to stop the Redskins from acquiring RG3, but instead he settled for the cap penalties.

[QUOTE=Giantone;970702]Nice win ,congratulations to all the Skins and their fans.[/QUOTE]

True gentleman. Now lets hope you drop one or two more games and we run the table. :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;970916]Irrelevant unless it's a failed play...then it's Kyle's fault right?[/quote]

Kid is never going to give any of the Shanahans credit for anything. Super Bowls? Nope. One of top offenses in league on two different teams? Nope.


It's never ending with this guy. It's all RGIII out there. He's calling the plays. He designed the scheme. He's blocking. He's catching his own passes. Nope. Nobody else. Just RGIII.


I hate some fans.

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[quote=SmootSmack;970916]Irrelevant unless it's a failed play...then it's Kyle's fault right?[/quote]

I thought the screens were bad calls themselves last night but otherwise it was a solid game for offense. My point, and I think it's obvious, is there's a lot of ways you could scheme/coach this offense to win. Does that make sense?

Specific to Kyle the play-calling has improved over the last three games. Before that play-calling was bad to avg. I realize you'll never agree with this, but I think the results spoke for themselves.

Along those lines, among all the guys I watch/talk football with the most memorable Redskins play this season is sending RG3 out to catch a pass against Ryan Clark. That play was a microcosm of the season up to three weeks ago. The play-calling/coaching has improved. It seems pretty simple to me.

[QUOTE=mbedner3420;970706]The only thing that worries me is that the cowboys might feel motivated to play the role of spoiler...[/QUOTE]

Cowboys have identical record and play us again. I think they have something to play for.

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used the [URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/machine"]espn playoff machine[/URL] and pre-selected winners based on their power rankings.

redskins win the division at 9-7

giants lose to:
falcons
ravens

redskins lose to:
ravens

i can dig that

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[quote=The Goat;970931]I thought the screens were bad calls themselves last night but otherwise it was a solid game for offense. My point, and I think it's obvious, is there's a lot of ways you could scheme/coach this offense to win. Does that make sense?

Specific to Kyle the play-calling has improved over the last three games. Before that play-calling was bad to avg. I realize you'll never agree with this, but I think the results spoke for themselves.

Along those lines, among all the guys I watch/talk football with the most memorable Redskins play this season is sending RG3 out to catch a pass against Ryan Clark. That play was a microcosm of the season up to three weeks ago. The play-calling/coaching has improved. It seems pretty simple to me.[/quote]

Fair enough...not exactly what you've been saying in this thread up to this point...but fair enough. Moving on

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[quote=SmootSmack;970937]Fair enough...not exactly what you've been saying in this thread up to this point...but fair enough. Moving on[/quote]

Well, to be clear it's fanfukintastic we're pulling it together right now. Mike and Kyle and Haslett have all started to earn their pay and the right to keep their jobs :)

I have said all along that when everything the Shannys have done starts translating to wins I will shower them with praise. I finally see a lite at the end of the tunnel. After the Panthers game i was at my all time low with Haz and the Shannys. After the Philly game i thought "hell everybody beats them but we beat em worse". After Dallas i still found doubt creeping in because the odds were eventually we had to beat them on turkey day. But - after last nite Im ready to exhale and rejoice in the fact that Shanny hasnt been wasting my time as a Skins fan for three years. Part of me still wants to say RG-3 has saved everybodys job but after watching the complete and utter confusion of a great defense last nite it is official. My hope was with RG-3 that he would be a perfect marriage to Shannys offense. My God its more than perfect. The oline, the run game with Almo - another perfect fit in his offense. Griff when he gets out of the pocket, or they run the pistol and the option! I have never seen a defense second and third guessing themselves to the point where they are frozen like last nite. Even Haz i am having second thoughts about being gone. His track record is crap but for continuity sake lets keep the guy and get him a secondary and Rak and Carriker back and see what happens. I think the guy is finally adjusting and realizes there is nowhere left to go but up. Secondary and RT in free agency and the draft. Davis, BW, Rak and Carriker back. A sprinkle of depth. Youth everywhere you look. My God the future is bright. Thank you Shanny for showing me you actually were building something!
HTTR!

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Ok so I go to a Giants message board cause I wanted to see what they were saying after last nights loss. lol. It was all typical threads from fans who are passionate about their team losing.lol. but this one had me signing up to be a member to say something only to find out I can't right away. lol.

[url=http://boards.giants.com/showthread.php?24370-How-much-slobbering-can-we-take]How much slobbering can we take?[/url]

[QUOTE]I know RGIII can play but how much friggin' obsession can we take? The kid put up a whopping 17 points at home and beat a team that had a million penalties by one point.
He was the beneficiary of a great running game and he fumbled in the red zone and was lucky enough to have it caught in the air by a teammate and taken in for a score. He threw for an all time record of 163 yards. He was responsible for 245 yards total. Eli was responsible for 285 yards.
Yes, he's seems like a great talent but this was far from a dominating performance. The same nonsense happened with Mike Vick until the reality of the NFL struck an undersized running QB.

So lets all just calm down ESPN, NFLN or whoever wants to anoint this kid to superstar status. Lets see if the kid can survive with this playing style, and do more than lead a .500 team.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Ultimately you have to be able to throw the ball if you want to be a winner. Its a passing league. He's very athletic but he's not making those tough throws into tight windows and I doubt that will ever be true with him.
I like the kid. I like his attitude for the most part. But we've seen what happens to these types of QB's when they aren't pure passers.
They end up getting killed. [/QUOTE]

Then a reasonable Giants fan:

[QUOTE]17 points for a SB was good enough for MVP around here.
the rookie led a 4th qtr comeback against the SB champs on prime time MNF.
over-hyped my ***........what about this ignorant "elite" **** we've heard from the media for ages now....
hell we have 150 page threads about that crap.

let 'em give the devil his due.
had Eli managed more than 3 points the second half , we would have been
hearing all the media junk about Eli and the Giants showing up when when
their back is against the wall or when it really matters....blah blah blah.

well last night RGIII came back in the 4th qtr and won the game.....and all the tie-breakers.

here are their numbers ; just in case anyone cares.

-----------------------ELI-------------------RGIII
TD passes.........16.....................17
INT's thrown........11.....................4
passing yards.....3170.................2677...(with 61 less passes thrown than Eli)
rushing yards........25....................714...(by the way...thats only 120 less than Ahmad Bradshaw)
total yards...........3195................3391
QB rating.............85.3.................104.4
pass comp. %......60.7%.............67.2%
yds per pass .......7.4...................8.2
dropped passes.....28..................28.

i know , you're gonna say stats don't matter......its the intangibles....
RGIII has stats and intangibles.

nobody *****es when the talking heads drool over ELI ,
so who cares ,the kid deserves the hype just as much as anybody else does.

or are we gonna go with the "refs and penalties" or the "we beat ourself" bullspit. [/QUOTE]

What I would have written on their board is the rest of the NFCE has had to listen and deal with the slobber jocking over Eli for the last decade and his family. (vomit). Now that he is an old toy close to the end of his playing time he's not getting as much attention. (too bad). However during the first game between the two teams all I saw was commercials with Eli in them, interviews with Eli in them, the announcers talking about how Eli is doing this year, how Payton is doing this year, how Archie was the best thing since sliced bread throughout the whole game.

So now that they are forced to hear someone other then their beloved Eli they get upset. They get pissed. Welcome to the waking up and smelling the coffie and getting a heavy handed dose of your own medicine.

I also would have said: RG3 might not be all that great (as I saw Eli back in the day after he was drafted) to them but his numbers show differently. Luck is not getting all the attention around here cause he's not in the NFCE. Luck has 16 INT's for the season and RG3 only has 4. Yeah Luck has his team 8-5 (or whatever) but his division I think is much easier then the teams the NFCE had to play. Plus Luck does not have as many starters IRed on his team as RG3 and the Skins do.

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Know what else is driving me nuts? All this talk about his "playing style" and how it's going to hurt his longevity in the league. I mean other QBs get hit a ton more than he does. Sure, he takes SOME unnecessary shots when he runs, but he's been REALLY smart about it lately.

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Even Jerry Jones was rooting for the Redskins:

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2012/12/04/jerry-jones-plays-redskins-fan-last-night/#more-19992562]The Redskins Blog | Jerry Jones Plays Redskins Fan Last Night[/url]

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[quote=Dirtbag59;970927]I will say this. This was not the most memorable game but I have a hard time remembering a more satisfying victory. Even now I'm in some sort of this weird combination of emotions that I can only describe as pissed off happy. Every time I think about the Giants ownership my blood boils.

I have great respect for their players and their front office people but the stunt John Mara pulled this past offseason was enough for me to consider the Giants a bigger rival then the Cowboys. I mean it' one thing to get into a rivalry based on tradition but it's another thing where an opposing owner of a division rival is deliberately trying to sabotage your team. And it's not like we don't know from his statements at the owners meeting that his real goal was to stop the Redskins from acquiring RG3, but instead he settled for the cap penalties.[/quote]

Based off the fact Mara pulled that stunt and foiled our plans to pick up a Safety and CB that would probably have saved the back end of our defense just so the Skins wouldn't over night get better then his beloved Giants should have had his position and title taken away from him by the NFL.

Mara had too much conflict of interest in our punishment to be smack dab in the middle of handing it out. I really hope the Judge ends up siding with the NFLPA and gives our 18 mill in CAP space back and finds some form of punishment to the league.... and or give Dallas and the Redskins extra draft picks on top of everything for how the NFL Owners ganged up on our two teams.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;970944]Know what else is driving me nuts? All this talk about his "playing style" and how it's going to hurt his longevity in the league. I mean other QBs get hit a ton more than he does. Sure, he takes SOME unnecessary shots when he runs, but he's been REALLY smart about it lately.[/quote]

Yeah seems like most in the media are living in September or something. He hasn't run nearly as much as he did in the first part of the season, and he's been getting down or out of bounds a lot more since the concussion.

Seems that lately his biggest hits are coming in the pocket. A big part of that is because he's just fearless and will stand in there until the very last second.

[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;970944]Know what else is driving me nuts? All this talk about his "playing style" and how it's going to hurt his longevity in the league. I mean other QBs get hit a ton more than he does. Sure, he takes SOME unnecessary shots when he runs, but he's been REALLY smart about it lately.[/QUOTE]

Yes. Every qb that has ever played is one hit away from ending their career at anytime. Look at Steve Young. Dude had an all pro offensive line and suffered how many concussions? He is now in the hall of fame with a lombardi trophy. Would have had more of them if he didnt sit behind Montana in the wings.

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[quote=NC_Skins;970929]He's catching his own passes. \.[/quote]

I was still waiting for a ruling on that.

If it were possible is that actually illegal?

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[quote=Hail to the SteelSkins;970952]I was still waiting for a ruling on that.

If it were possible is that actually illegal?[/quote]of course

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ha! good stuff

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000105902/article/rg3-redskins-fumbletouchdown-was-by-design]RG3: Redskins' fumble-touchdown was 'by design' - NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=The Goat;970931]I thought the screens were bad calls themselves last night but otherwise it was a solid game for offense. My point, and I think it's obvious, is there's a lot of ways you could scheme/coach this offense to win. Does that make sense?

Specific to Kyle the play-calling has improved over the last three games. Before that play-calling was bad to avg. I realize you'll never agree with this, but I think the results spoke for themselves.

Along those lines, among all the guys I watch/talk football with the most memorable Redskins play this season is sending RG3 out to catch a pass against Ryan Clark. That play was a microcosm of the season up to three weeks ago. The play-calling/coaching has improved. It seems pretty simple to me.[/quote]


I'll say this.... in the first 3 games or I should say wins I felt the play calling was right on. The players had little to no penalties and the play calling was spot on. Then some where after those games the play calling changed, we saw more pitches by RG3 and less roll outs and less option plays. Designed probably to keep RG3 from getting hit like he did in the first few games.

Then even I said they need to get back to doing what they were doing at the beginning of the year. More roll outs, more play action to freeze the defenses, more option plays with RG3 holding his hands up right before he gets hit if he doesn't have the ball. The last 3 games we have seen just that.

I'll agree the screens were baffling and I was pissed but no OC will call the perfect game. There will always be some plays even he wishes he could take back.

Now last night I was more pissed in the first half cause it seemed like the passes were going to everyone but the guys who helped the team win the last 3 games. Where was Hankerson? where was Robinson? where was Garcon? where was Morgan? It seemed like the passes went to Niles Paul (who can't catch a cold)- even though he got lucky with the catch in the Dallas game (which he bobbled). Passes went to Paulson (whom I love by the way but.....) who dropped on and was over thrown the second time.

Yes Morgan caught the fumble for the TD. But it seemed like Garcon was not majorly used until the second half and where was Robinson? hankerson I think had one catch for decent yards and maybe Morgan had another catch.

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Does anyone think its possible Shanahan's comments about using the rest of the season to "evaluate" players was a calculated move to light a fire under players whom he felt werent giving their all? I think he just spoke without really thinking it through and the media ran wild with it. either way, I cant really think of another reason to explain why the defense has played so much better the past 3 weeks, other than defensive players simply executing better.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;970963]Does anyone think its possible Shanahan's comments about using the rest of the season to "evaluate" players was a calculated move to light a fire under players whom he felt werent giving their all? I think he just spoke without really thinking it through and the media ran wild with it. either way, I cant really think of another reason to explain why the defense has played so much better the past 3 weeks, other than defensive players simply executing better.[/quote]outrageous!

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I just heard Cedrick Griffin is suspended the next 4 games....

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;970944]Know what else is driving me nuts? All this talk about his "playing style" and how it's going to hurt his longevity in the league. I mean other QBs get hit a ton more than he does. Sure, he takes SOME unnecessary shots when he runs, but he's been REALLY smart about it lately.[/quote]

Personally I felt him sitting in the pocket getting hit was more dangerous because he's a statue back there looking down field. If he runs I feel he has the opportunity to lesson the hit by only allowing the defender to get part of him or because he gets hit the same direction as he's running which although looks bad prbably is not as bad as it looks cause it's either not a clean solid hit or there is less impact.

ie; a car colliding with another car head on is extremely bad. A car getting T-boned is bad. A car sitting not moving getting hit by another car/truck is bad. But a car already moving forward getting hit from behind causes less damage because the energy is transfered to the car struck.

bad example I guess. but I worry about RG3's head bouncing off the turf more so then him getting hit. Standing in the pocket looking down field worries me just as much because of the force of the impact. I think if RG3 is moving the energy of the impact from player to player is less, unless he runs head on into a defender.

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;970973]I just heard Cedrick Griffin is suspended the next 4 games....[/QUOTE]

WTF! For what? PED's?

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Can't believe I forgot about the OTL special on RG3 today. Will have to catch the podcast later. Curious what was said

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;970963]Does anyone think its possible Shanahan's comments about using the rest of the season to "evaluate" players was a calculated move to light a fire under players whom he felt werent giving their all? I think he just spoke without really thinking it through and the media ran wild with it. either way, I cant really think of another reason to explain why the defense has played so much better the past 3 weeks, other than defensive players simply executing better.[/quote]

I think in that moment he was just really deflated and felt like the season was slipping away. Maybe his comments ruffled some feathers but more than anything I think what really helped was having the bye week.

After the first Giants game I think that loss took the wind out of our sails for a few games there and you could tell with the way we played against Pitt and Carolina. We got our mojo back after the bye.

On a side note I love how RGIII does his post game interview in Pads. Doing this just screams that he doesn't follow the Norm.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;970963]Does anyone think its possible Shanahan's comments about using the rest of the season to "evaluate" players was a calculated move to light a fire under players whom he felt werent giving their all? I think he just spoke without really thinking it through and the media ran wild with it. either way, I cant really think of another reason to explain why the defense has played so much better the past 3 weeks, other than defensive players simply executing better.[/quote]

I think thats what you get when your expected to win and you lose. I can tell you I expected the team to win that game. In any event after a loss if he was as mad as I was and had to do interviews I can understand why he said what he said. He was pissed, let down, and prbably was not up for an interview. Emotions went crazy and he spoke out loud.

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[quote=skinsfan69;970973]I just heard Cedrick Griffin is suspended the next 4 games....[/quote]

for what? I'd have expected the Giants player who stomped on the Redskins player to have been suspended 4 games. He should have been ejected during the game. I know he did it cause our player kicked out at him for pulling him and it was around groin level but the Giant player had no right to pull our player like he was.

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[quote=Gtothearry;970989]On a side note I love how RGIII does his post game interview in Pads. Doing this just screams that he doesn't follow the Norm.[/quote]

That always the case, or just yesterday?

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;971001]That always the case, or just yesterday?[/QUOTE]

He's done that 2-3 times this year. So, it isn't common but he has done it much more than other players.

[QUOTE=SBXVII;970999]for what? I'd have expected the Giants player who stomped on the Redskins player to have been suspended 4 games. He should have been ejected during the game. I know he did it cause our player kicked out at him for pulling him and it was around groin level but the Giant player had no right to pull our player like he was.[/QUOTE]

When will these players learn? [url]http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=8709862[/url]

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So he can return for the playoffs right?

;)

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[quote=Gtothearry;971002]He's done that 2-3 times this year. So, it isn't common but he has done it much more than other players.[/quote]

It's a nice courtesy to the reporters, particularly on a Monday night game

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[quote=Gtothearry;971002]He's done that 2-3 times this year. So, it isn't common but he has done it much more than other players.[/quote]

On one of the postgame wrap up shows last night, one of the talking heads(can't remember who) said that just makes the media like him even more, because he doesn't make them wait around for 20 minutes while he showers and changes.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;971011]So he can return for the playoffs right?

;)[/QUOTE]

I hope that is the case. Hopefully, someone can fill his spot well for the next 4.

[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;970963]Does anyone think its possible Shanahan's comments about using the rest of the season to "evaluate" players was a calculated move to light a fire under players whom he felt werent giving their all? I think he just spoke without really thinking it through and the media ran wild with it. either way, I cant really think of another reason to explain why the defense has played so much better the past 3 weeks, other than defensive players simply executing better.[/QUOTE]

I said that when it happened. Several times. All he said was now we are going to see who wants to fight and who wants to lay down and die. He never said he was going to play backups and go pre-season style. That got taken way out of context. Said this several times before our current hot streak.

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;970973]I just heard Cedrick Griffin is suspended the next 4 games....[/QUOTE]

**** me. Yep. Performance enhancers. Wow the one hitvwe didnt need was to the secondary. Hes been solid lately. Damn.

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[quote=skinsfan69;970973]I just heard Cedrick Griffin is suspended the next 4 games....[/quote]

Whawha?

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[quote=Gtothearry;971010]When will these players learn? [url=http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=8709862]NFL Redskins' Cedric Griffin suspended - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Time for Crawford to step up. He looked like a stud during pre-season, maybe this is his time.