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[quote=Meks;1003016][B]Here's to hoping his foot is at 100%[/B] .. the guy is pretty fun to watch and important to this offense.. no one else on the team, with the exception of moss at times, made the grabs he did and had RAC success like he did.. he's our best recieiver and IMO prolly top 15 in the league[/quote]

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/04/11/garcon-says-hell-be-healthy-enough-to-play/]Garcon says he’ll be ‘healthy enough to play’[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;1003014]If Garcon can stay healthy I see him catching over 80 passes in this offense. Easy. If you take his numbers from his last 6 games last year it projects to 88-1266-8. I'd call that elite production if he can put up those types of numbers.[/quote]

He had three bad games where he really did not contribute. Two were in the first half where he was battling the injury. The third was his first game back after the break. After that, he was simply a beast.

With him on the edge, Moss in the slot, Davis at TE and Morris in the backfiedl - all being orchestrated by RGIII, D-Coordinators are going to have a lot of sleepless Saturday nights and nightmarish Sunday afternoons.

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[quote=donofriose;1003022]Well hopefully Garcon won't have to play the what if game. Because both him and Fred Davis need to stay healthy for this offense to be almost unstoppable, (of course the other injured star needs to be healthy too). I have always held on to the concept that being elite at your possession means you stay healthy. I honestly do not believe the Redskins have any elite players yet. [B]I see a lot of players that have elite talent, (RG3, Trent, Morris, Garcon and Davis to name a few) just not elite production at this point in their careers.[/B] But I hold elite to mean you are the best of the best.[/quote]

Yup. I think that is an emminently fair way to put it.

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WTF am I missing? One post shows the offense scoring appx one more point per game with Garcon playing vs not playing. Then another post says it's four...

What am I missing?

It's...just...so...hard...to wrap my mind around the intense passion for a WR who scored just 28 points all season long. I mean, my God by that measure JoeRedskin owes Tana a daily handjob.

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[quote=The Goat;1003033]WTF am I missing? One post shows the offense scoring appx one more point per game with Garcon playing vs not playing. Then another post says it's four...

What am I missing?

It's...just...so...hard...to wrap my mind around the intense passion for a WR who scored just 28 points all season long. [B]I mean, my God by that measure JoeRedskin owes Tana a daily handjob[/B].[/quote]

:laughing2

Lord this offseason gonna be long.

Joe watch out for the :hitfan:

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[quote=The Goat;1003033]WTF am I missing? One post shows the offense scoring appx one more point per game with Garcon playing vs not playing. Then another post says it's four...

What am I missing?

It's...just...so...hard...to wrap my mind around the intense passion for a WR who scored just 28 points all season long. I mean, my God by that measure JoeRedskin owes Tana a daily handjob.[/quote]

Stop. Just stop

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If we can trade Orakpo for Tebow, it will be a successful offseason.

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[url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/baseball/goats-head-addressed-to-chicago-cubs-owner-delivered-to-wrigley-field/article11052567/]Goat's head addressed to Chicago Cubs owner delivered to Wrigley Field - The Globe and Mail[/url]

Oh no! I think Joe finally snapped!!

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;1003051][url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/baseball/goats-head-addressed-to-chicago-cubs-owner-delivered-to-wrigley-field/article11052567/]Goat's head addressed to Chicago Cubs owner delivered to Wrigley Field - The Globe and Mail[/url]

Oh no! I think Joe finally snapped!![/quote]

Brilliant

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[quote=Lotus;1003050]If we can trade Orakpo for Tebow, it will be a successful offseason.[/quote]

Throw in Kerrigan, he's not helping.

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Pass rusher for punt protector sounds like a great idea!

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[quote=The Goat;1003033]WTF am I missing? One post shows the offense scoring appx one more point per game with Garcon playing vs not playing. Then another post says it's four...

What am I missing?

It's...just...so...hard...to wrap my mind around the intense passion for a WR who scored just 28 points all season long. I mean, my God by that measure JoeRedskin owes Tana a daily handjob.[/quote]

The only "passion" here is the passionate hate you have shown. Everyone else seems pretty reasonable.

Goat, you are wrong. And you're horrible. Be quiet.

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I need to inject some happiness into this thread.

[IMG]http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/625682_10151348150346006_434678769_n.jpg[/IMG]


My work is done.

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[quote=FRPLG;1003067]The only "passion" here is the passionate hate you have shown. Everyone else seems pretty reasonable.

Goat, you are wrong. And you're horrible. [B]Be quiet[/B].[/quote]

LOL I know you're trying to be serious but this is exactly what my lady friend (we're too old to be boyfriend/girlfriend) tells me when I tease her and it made me chuckle pronto :)

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[quote=GridIron26;1003029][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/04/11/garcon-says-hell-be-healthy-enough-to-play/"]Garcon says he’ll be ‘healthy enough to play’[/URL][/quote]

Hopefully it doesn't become the offensive version of L Landry i.e. avoiding surgery and never getting back to full health until we part ways.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1003118]I need to inject some happiness into this thread.

[IMG]http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/625682_10151348150346006_434678769_n.jpg[/IMG]


My work is done.[/quote]

I'll see your happiness and raise you hilarity….

[IMG]http://i50.tinypic.com/5aerv8.png[/IMG]

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Would I be raising the spectre of OJ if I were to ask why Morgan Freeman is only wearing one glove? At least it looks like it fits.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1003189]I'll see your happiness and raise you hilarity….

[IMG]http://i50.tinypic.com/5aerv8.png[/IMG][/quote]



:laughing2 LMFAO.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1003189]I'll see your happiness and raise you hilarity….

[IMG]http://i50.tinypic.com/5aerv8.png[/IMG][/quote]

Lol the freeman face on rg3 reminds me of those sad looking bloodhounds.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1003189]I'll see your happiness and raise you hilarity….

[IMG]http://i50.tinypic.com/5aerv8.png[/IMG][/quote]

That is absolutely amazing! Well done.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/29/josh-wilson-takes-2-million-reduction/]Josh Wilson takes $2 million reduction | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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3M is more commensurate with his worth to the team.

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[quote=Mattyk;1006885][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/29/josh-wilson-takes-2-million-reduction/]Josh Wilson takes $2 million reduction | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

Have to say I'm loving BA and these pay cuts. I don't think we had a single pay cut in the Vinny regime.

It's like we don't hear a peep for weeks then all of sudden - "Josh Wilson has agreed to take a $2M pay cut."

Really? He just agreed?? Guess BA made him an offer he couldn't refuse. :pimp:

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Quick question for the cap gurus.

Currently we have 2 mil in space enough to sign our picks.

Now that the draft is over and FA is close to done. How will the Skins create some more space? They would probably want to go into the season with 2-4 million at minimum to have the ability to make roster moves if and when they are nessecessary.

With the talk currently regarding wether or not to extend Rak's contract, got me thinking as to where they would clear space.

Now that starting players left on the roster in the secondary have all taken paycuts would it save money to let one go if they feel happy with the rookie and second year players?

If not in the secondary than could a player like Chester or Carricker be in danger of losing their jobs due more in part to money rather than having the adequate roster depth to make the move.

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the draft picks aren't going to cost them any money. when figuring out your salary (for the cap), you only count the top 51 salaries. our rookies (outside of amerson) will be vet minimum and won't affect the cap number at all. amerson will add maybe 100k or so (whatever his salary is - vet min guy at the #51 spot).

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The easiest way to clear space as I understand it would be TW's contract, Garcon would be a close second. But this FO is loathe to restructure, so I imagine they will go in with a bare minimum, and have 2-3 backup plans if a major restructure became necessary due to injury.

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[quote=That Guy;1008524]the draft picks aren't going to cost them any money. when figuring out your salary (for the cap), you only count the top 51 salaries. our rookies (outside of amerson) will be vet minimum and won't affect the cap number at all. amerson will add maybe 100k or so (whatever his salary is - vet min guy at the #51 spot).[/quote]

The rule of 51 only applies in the offseason. Once it gets time to cut down to the 53 man roster, all 53 of them count against the cap. So the rookies will most certainly have to be accounted for under the cap.

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[quote=Skinzman;1008528]The rule of 51 only applies in the offseason. Once it gets time to cut down to the 53 man roster, all 53 of them count against the cap. So the rookies will most certainly have to be accounted for under the cap.[/quote]

Yes, but not at any incremental amount beyond what the bottom of the current 51 is counting.

Rookies make less than anybody else. 1st and 2nd round picks are the only exception to that. So when a rookie makes the team it will kick someone out of the cap total who's making more than a rookie.

So we have $3.6M or so to spend on the rookies, but when cut-down day arrives we'll kick $3.6M out of the cap number. Net impact will be minimal.

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[quote=Schneed10;1008544]Yes, but not at any incremental amount beyond what the bottom of the current 51 is counting.

Rookies make less than anybody else. 1st and 2nd round picks are the only exception to that. So when a rookie makes the team it will kick someone out of the cap total who's making more than a rookie.

So we have $3.6M or so to spend on the rookies, but when cut-down day arrives we'll kick $3.6M out of the cap number. Net impact will be minimal.[/quote]

What does any of that have to do with 51 people are counted against the cap in the offseason, and 53 are counted during the season (actually more than 53 if we have someone put on injured reserve).

While the overall premise may be true, there are exceptions. You are not taking into account that rookie contracts are now guaranteed. If a rookie from this year supplants a rookie from last year, we are still paying both contracts. Given how guarantees come due early, you could actually go up in cap space cutting a younger player on the new 4 year guaranteed contracts. As we get 4 years into the new CBA, meaning all 1st through 4th year players are operating under guaranteed contracts, you could be kicking off a year three or four player, and still be paying both contracts.

Rookies may make less than everyone else, but that doesnt mean paying for 5 guaranteed contracts when you only have 2 of those players remaining on your team has saved you cap space. If any player that we drafted and signed last year is cut, we are still paying for him this year. So adding a 7th rounder and cutting Josh Leribues will actually cost us cap space, not save it.

One other thing, kicking out a vet for a rookie is not instant cap space saving if the vet still has plenty of guaranteed money on a multiple year contract. There are plenty of ways to cut someone for a rookie, yet it cost cap space and not save it.

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[quote=Skinzman;1008557]What does any of that have to do with 51 people are counted against the cap in the offseason, and 53 are counted during the season (actually more than 53 if we have someone put on injured reserve).

While the overall premise may be true, there are exceptions. You are not taking into account that rookie contracts are now guaranteed. If a rookie from this year supplants a rookie from last year, we are still paying both contracts. Given how guarantees come due early, you could actually go up in cap space cutting a younger player on the new 4 year guaranteed contracts. As we get 4 years into the new CBA, meaning all 1st through 4th year players are operating under guaranteed contracts, you could be kicking off a year three or four player, and still be paying both contracts.

Rookies may make less than everyone else, but that doesnt mean paying for 5 guaranteed contracts when you only have 2 of those players remaining on your team has saved you cap space. If any player that we drafted and signed last year is cut, we are still paying for him this year. So adding a 7th rounder and cutting Josh Leribues will actually cost us cap space, not save it.

One other thing, kicking out a vet for a rookie is not instant cap space saving if the vet still has plenty of guaranteed money on a multiple year contract. There are plenty of ways to cut someone for a rookie, yet it cost cap space and not save it.[/quote]

[url=http://www.overthecap.com/teamcap.php?Team=Redskins&Year=2013]» Over the Cap- Washington Redskins 2013 Salary Cap Page[/url]

Pretty straight review of the cap situation. Not sure what your point is. The rule of 51 is only during the offseason, true, but unless you cut some guy who has a huge cap hit the effect of keeping a rookie is negligible. According to overthecap, there are 5 players who would be a net cap hit of over 500k if released, Griffin, TW, Kerrigan, Kory Licht, and Garcon. Pretty sure none of those guys are getting released. Plus should any release happen after June 1st, they become Jun1 cuts and some of there cap hit is pushed to next year.

As for IR, I am fairly confident that BA has a restructure lined up for both Garcon and TW that just needs a signature if it came to that. Just holding off unless it becomes imperative.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1008561][url=http://www.overthecap.com/teamcap.php?Team=Redskins&Year=2013]» Over the Cap- Washington Redskins 2013 Salary Cap Page[/url]

Pretty straight review of the cap situation. Not sure what your point is. The rule of 51 is only during the offseason, true, but unless you cut some guy who has a huge cap hit the effect of keeping a rookie is negligible. According to overthecap, there are 5 players who would be a net cap hit of over 500k if released, Griffin, TW, Kerrigan, Kory Licht, and Garcon. Pretty sure none of those guys are getting released. Plus should any release happen after June 1st, they become Jun1 cuts and some of there cap hit is pushed to next year.

As for IR, I am fairly confident that BA has a restructure lined up for both Garcon and TW that just needs a signature if it came to that. Just holding off unless it becomes imperative.[/quote]

Im not sure why people are saying they dont know my point, and then make the exact same point that I made. The point is, the rule of 51 counts during the offseason, and all 53 count during the regular season.

the point was made that only 51 players count against the cap. I corrected that statement to be a true statement. Which you acknowledge.

Shneed then made the comment that when you cut a vet for a rookie, it is going to always save you cap space, with the exception being 1st and 2nd rounders. That is also not true every time, which I can only assume you will also acknowledge. It was never put to our exact situation, they were generic statements that could lead someone who doesnt know the rule to actually think the incorrect statements are correct. If I had said a factually incorrect statement, someone would have corrected me, and I would be glad that I now knew the correct info.

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[quote=Skinzman;1008567]Im not sure why people are saying they dont know my point, and then make the exact same point that I made. The point is, the rule of 51 counts during the offseason, and all 53 count during the regular season.

the point was made that only 51 players count against the cap. I corrected that statement to be a true statement. Which you acknowledge.

Shneed then made the comment that when you cut a vet for a rookie, it is going to always save you cap space, with the exception being 1st and 2nd rounders. That is also not true every time, which I can only assume you will also acknowledge. It was never put to our exact situation, they were generic statements that could lead someone who doesnt know the rule to actually think the incorrect statements are correct. If I had said a factually incorrect statement, someone would have corrected me, and I would be glad that I now knew the correct info.[/quote]

Technically you're right:

- When you have to count 53 vs when you have to count 51, obviously that's 2 more players. The 2 extra that don't fit into the top 51 will be low salary players. Figure $600K in space needed.

- Sometimes low round picks can have a cap number higher than the lowest-paid vet on the team who would get booted. But it's extremely rare. And the difference in $ terms would be minimal. A 3 year vet's minimum salary is about $100 or $200K higher than a rookie's minimum salary.

So when you add it all up, it's a negligible impact. I'd even go so far as to say you're splitting hairs. We may have to clear $500K of cap space in order to accommodate signing the rookie class. But it's definitely not a few million.

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[quote=Schneed10;1008571]Technically you're right:

- When you have to count 53 vs when you have to count 51, obviously that's 2 more players. The 2 extra that don't fit into the top 51 will be low salary players. Figure $600K in space needed.

- Sometimes low round picks can have a cap number higher than the lowest-paid vet on the team who would get booted. But it's extremely rare. And the difference in $ terms would be minimal. A 3 year vet's minimum salary is about $100 or $200K higher than a rookie's minimum salary.

So when you add it all up, it's a negligible impact. I'd even go so far as to say you're splitting hairs. We may have to clear $500K of cap space in order to accommodate signing the rookie class. But it's definitely not a few million.[/quote]

Someone saying the top 51 count against the cap and me correcting that is not splitting hairs. I have never accounted for any figures in my responses, so Im not sure why you are adding the its definitely not a few million as that has nothing to do with what I said. I have never said it would be a massive amount of a difference. I have only taken generic statements that werent true and corrected them. If me being technical/analytical makes me a bad person, so be it. Im willing to accept that. Although me being that way, I read your first line "Technically you're right:" and thats all I needed, because to me, thats all that matters.

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[quote=Skinzman;1008575]Someone saying the top 51 count against the cap and me correcting that is not splitting hairs. I have never accounted for any figures in my responses, so Im not sure why you are adding the its definitely not a few million as that has nothing to do with what I said. I have never said it would be a massive amount of a difference. I have only taken generic statements that werent true and corrected them. If me being technical/analytical makes me a bad person, so be it. Im willing to accept that. Although me being that way, I read your first line "Technically you're right:" and thats all I needed, because to me, thats all that matters.[/quote]

OK well great. Congratulations and please continue feeling good about yourself. I think what most people care about in this thread is what impact on the cap will signing the rookies have, that's all that matters to most of us.

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[quote=Schneed10;1008581]OK well great. Congratulations and please continue feeling good about yourself. I think what most people care about in this thread is what impact on the cap will signing the rookies have, that's all that matters to most of us.[/quote]

Honestly I understand how the cap works and who counts against the cap, so when you have our space which after all the players are on the books we will be roughly 800k under the cap, the team will most likely want to go into the season with about 2mil in space to handle any moves that need to be made.

So my question was where will that money come from.

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[quote=Schneed10;1008581]OK well great. Congratulations and please continue feeling good about yourself. I think what most people care about in this thread is what impact on the cap will signing the rookies have, that's all that matters to most of us.[/quote]

You're a good numbers guy, and should stick to it lol.

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[quote=The Goat;1008704]You're a good numbers guy, and should stick to it lol.[/quote]

:confused:

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Not sure what that meant. I was ripping on him for getting into a pissing match that nobody cares about. Looks childish.

Maybe I needed to turn on my sarcasm font.

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Regardless of what is the reality of their cap situation is, this comment from Dwight Freeney's father on the state of the NYG cap status made me smile inside:
[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/25576/freeney-still-interested-in-giants]Dwight Freeney is still interested in signing with the New York Giants - ESPN New York[/url]
[QUOTE]"His heart is with ... talking to him, he would love to be with the Giants," Hugh Freeney told Sirius radio's Adam Schein. "But the Giants unfortunately ... doesn't have the money for it. They're broke." [/QUOTE]

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Here is our division cap spending, and cap space numbers, per overthecap.com.


Team CapSpending(rank) CapSpace(rank)
Redskins $103,089,605(7) $1,272,401(32)
Cowboys $103,119,417(9) $9,711,248(14)
Giants $113,215,133(20) $3,620,069(26)
Eagles $117,541,527(23) $22,668,720(3)

some other notable numbers:
Raiders Cap Spending is the least of all the teams at $65,944,750, but they have $11,088,319 cap space because they have $49,649,972 in dead money. Still, I keep hearing how desperate their situation is, but 11Mill cap space seems like they could do some more this offseason.

The Browns have the most cap space left at $31,854,105, their cap spending is 4th least at $97,453,946.

The top 4 teams with cap space have $102,285,247 in available space, or less than 1M off from our total cap spending.

There are 13 of 32 teams that have less than 5M in cap space remaining.
There are 7 of 32 teams that have more than 15M in cap space remaining.

2 other teams, Dallas and Atlanta, have 103M in cap spending, Dallas has 9M cap space (14 when you add back the penalty), Atlanta has 6M. In my opinion, that shows that the NFLPA cost their players easily 5-10M in cap spending this year by agreeing to our penalty, because no team used all of the added cap, while we certainly would have spent additional, probably up to about 110 to 111M of cap spending. FA Cornerbacks, Safeties and RTs all probably took a significantly lower paychecks by restricting the Redskins cap this year.