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[quote=That Guy;1007534]oh yeah, we signed the best UDFA OT as well. it's not like we didn't do anything. we actually got a lot of bodies with what we had to work with.[/quote]

A LOT of bodies. I don't know the official number, but don't we have somewhere around 15 offensive lineman? That's plenty.

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[quote=SirLK26;1007537]A LOT of bodies. I don't know the official number, but [B]don't we have somewhere around 15 offensive lineman[/B]? That's plenty.[/quote]

Yes, and several of them slated to be back-ups with starting experience.

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[quote=That Guy;1007533]we all know the whole point of zone blocking is that it let's you go cheap on the OL right? you take small faster guys that other teams pass over, giving you higher talent in lower rounds (than average) without needing to use high picks or big money on a ton of OL guys.

the 3-4 let's you shift the expense (picks and money) of your DE's onto your pass rushing OLBs instead (though they're harder to find, DEs make more per sack than OLBs in general, so 3-4 pass rushing OLBs end up at around what a 4-3 DEs would cost due to rarity).

we've got the people for our systems now. our RT sucks, but everyone else is fine. last year we had some bad injuries on the pass rushing front, but we signed merling, tapp, and drafted a guy to help with that rotation (and a bunch of OL guys). we didn't have much in the way of money to sign guys, and we had more pressing issues in the draft. I don't think a 3rd round OT or 7th round OG would have helped us any. the OLB and rambo were picked WAY below value, so you can't swap those out. thomas was below value too, as was the TE we got (which is the only pick that really could have been spent differently. Maybe amerson wasn't the DB of choice, but all the good corners were going to be gone by our pick in round 3, so it was a now or never choice).[/quote]

awesome post, says it all. I'm also betting Nixon ends up being a gem.


can't wait for next year with an extra $30-40 million to play with. we could be dangerous.

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Steelers
Jarvis Jones 95
Le'Veon Bell 26
Markus Wheaton 11
Shamarko Thomas 29
Landry Jones 3 -couldn't get 12 because of Bradshaw
Terry Hawthorne 30
Justin Brown 15
Vince Williams 44
Nicholas Williams 91

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Nice break down and explanation why David Amerson is a good pick for Redskins. I actually feel better about him after reading the article.

[url=http://httr24-7.com/film-room/breaking-down-david-amerson-is-he-the-right-pick-for-the-redskins/]Breaking Down David Amerson: Is He The Right Pick for The Redskins?[/url]

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/05/03/what-lies-ahead-for-rookie-safeties-phillip-thomas-and-bacarri-rambo/]What lies ahead for rookie safeties Phillip Thomas and Bacarri Rambo?[/url]

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Hilarious.

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[quote=Mattyk;1007754][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/05/03/what-lies-ahead-for-rookie-safeties-phillip-thomas-and-bacarri-rambo/]What lies ahead for rookie safeties Phillip Thomas and Bacarri Rambo?[/url][/quote]

Best thing to remember about Rambo, Thomas and Amerson is dont expect these guys to be probowlers when they step on the field. I imagine outside of QB, secondary is probably the hardest position to learn from college to NFL. If somehow they even start it would be a miracle because I dont think Hasslet or Shanny are going to put someone back there with veterans like Reed, Merriweather, Hall, and Wilson on the team. Experience > potential right now imo

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^ Nice video, HailGreen. The first one they interviewed cracked me up the most. And then the Cowpoke's "fan" at 1:09. :laughing-

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The redskins fan,other than the last gmen fan, was the smartest.

ANYONE is better than Madieu Williams. So true. Even a non existent player.

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[quote=GridIron26;1007734]Nice break down and explanation why David Amerson is a good pick for Redskins. I actually feel better about him after reading the article.

[url=http://httr24-7.com/film-room/breaking-down-david-amerson-is-he-the-right-pick-for-the-redskins/]Breaking Down David Amerson: Is He The Right Pick for The Redskins?[/url][/quote]

This is bascially to try to spin some positive on him. You know how many other CBs coming out are great at watching film? A lot more than just Amerson. I'm still putting this guy down on the totem poll and waiting for him to impress me until otherwise.

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I don't know if they are trying to turn a positive spin on this, I think they are just making the point that the majority of his deficiencies (i.e. his backpeddling) are nonissues given how we use our CBs. They're basically saying he is a really solid scheme match, and not necessarily the lockdown corner we were all hoping for. I thought it was a good article.

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[quote=mbedner3420;1007762]I don't know if they are trying to turn a positive spin on this, I think they are just making the point that the majority of his deficiencies (i.e. his backpeddling) are nonissues given how we use our CBs. They're basically saying he is a really solid scheme match, and not necessarily the lockdown corner we were all hoping for. I thought it was a good article.[/quote]

I agree.

Also, a frequent knock against Amerson is that he gets beat by double moves. That is a fixable problem.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1007761]This is bascially to try to spin some positive on him. You know how many other CBs coming out are great at watching film? A lot more than just Amerson. I'm still putting this guy down on the totem poll and waiting for him to impress me until otherwise.[/quote]

Such a debbie downer, aren't you? I had same thought as mbedner did, we all wanted a shut down corner, but obviously Redskins coaches aren't looking for that kind of corner, they wanted a corner who can play the schemes and Amerson seem to be a good pick. The truth is we all cannot decide if Amerson is a good or bad pick now, all we can do is wait until end of the season then we can decide. Or few years later.

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[quote=GridIron26;1007764]Such a debbie downer, aren't you? I had same thought as mbedner did, we all wanted a shut down corner, but obviously Redskins coaches aren't looking for that kind of corner, they wanted a corner who can play the schemes and Amerson seem to be a good pick. The truth is we all cannot decide if Amerson is a good or bad pick now, all we can do is wait until end of the season then we can decide. Or few years later.[/quote]

True on all accounts. If you (or others here) haven't realized, I like to be negative as a prove me wrong mentality in ultimate hopes that the good outcome occurs; and hey if my negativity was right, well then I was right about something. There is no losing in this thought process for me.

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Ah well, whatever that works for you..

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Entertaining pics of supposed team needs. I know this is late, but the basic position ranking and couple blurbs are interesting. (Dunno how accurate)
[url=http://www.sbnation.com/2013-nfl-draft-team-needs/2013/4/25/4266408/2013-nfl-draft-team-needs]2013 NFL Draft team needs - SBNation.com[/url]
[IMG]http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2520047/draft_eagles.jpg[/IMG]

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Waab

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Funny picture for the Eagles. Love how the whole offensive line needs help. :D

Here's ours. Looks like we fixed what we needed to. How the hell do they call Trent Williams "questionable"? I'd also say our ILBs, DEs and one WR should be "good to go". This thing is severely flawed.

[IMG]http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2532555/draft_redskins__3_.jpg[/IMG]

Love seeing red on the offensive line for Dallas...are they going to play their 1st-round Center with 3rd-round talent at one of these guard spots? Also interesting how the other teams have their head coach pictured on the bottom and Dallas gets a Jerry Jones mugshot.

[IMG]http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2528555/draft_cowboys.jpg[/IMG]

They said we need a LT? That already lost it for me. Idiots

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LT and 1 WR spot at least should be good to go on ours. Not sure why Garcon would be considered a questionable, could easily have both WR spots as good to go, but I can understand that no one player really rises above the pack for the second spot. Same with DE, again, we may not have elite talent there, but to say it's questionable seems a bit lame as well.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1007911]LT and 1 WR spot at least should be good to go on ours. Not sure why Garcon would be considered a questionable, could easily have both WR spots as good to go, but I can understand that no one player really rises above the pack for the second spot. Same with DE, again, we may not have elite talent there, but to say it's questionable seems a bit lame as well.[/quote]

I think they were just saying a DE in general, a WR in a general and a tackle in general. Not left or right. I thought the same thing but then I went to the lions page and checked the lions and it said WR questionable. So I'm assuming they don't mean Calvin Johnson and mean the lions could just improve at the receiver position.
And if that's what they mean then they would be right. Redskins could improve the dline, the receiving core and obviously at the tackle positions.

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This was also published BEFORE the draft, not after.

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[quote=donofriose;1007916]I think they were just saying a DE in general, a WR in a general and a tackle in general. Not left or right. I thought the same thing but then I went to the lions page and checked the lions and it said WR questionable. So I'm assuming they don't mean Calvin Johnson and mean the lions could just improve at the receiver position.
And if that's what they mean then they would be right. Redskins could improve the dline, the receiving core and obviously at the tackle positions.[/quote]


This.

They aren't denoting the side of the position in need, just the position itself. It would have been nice if they expanded and even noted the sides that need help.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1007933]This was also published BEFORE the draft, not after.[/quote]

Trent was elite before the draft too.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1007951]Trent was elite before the draft too.[/quote]

And if you read the posts above mine, you would see that they are referring to the tackle position in general, not specifically the LT.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1007996]And if you read the posts above mine, you would see that they are referring to the tackle position in general, not specifically the LT.[/quote]

and the pic says we need two OTs, so, that's the RT and the what? center tackle?

they're not talking about depth. so that means garcon and trent are questionable, which makes that pic-chart stupid.

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[quote=That Guy;1008008]and the pic says we need two OTs, so, that's the RT and the what? center tackle?

they're not talking about depth. so that means garcon and trent are questionable, which makes that pic-chart stupid.[/quote]

They're are saying OT, not LT.

A lot of publications will do this because in their computers when they tell the computers to highlight OT, it highlights OT and since there are 2 OTs on the field at the time it highlights them both.
[url=http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2013/4/25/4258554/2013-nfl-draft-team-needs-seattle-seahawks]2013 NFL Draft team needs: Seattle Seahawks - SBNation.com[/url]
Look at Seattles situation which is similar to ours; they have a great LT but no RT.

The best LT in the NFL is Duane Brown of Houston, heres what Houstons chart. [url=http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2013/4/25/4257110/nfl-draft-2013--team-needs-houston-texans]2013 NFL Draft team needs: Houston Texans - SBNation.com[/url]

They need help there as well. Is it stupid that they can't just highlight one spot instead of two? Yeah, but they aren't saying or trying to say that Trents bad.

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[quote=That Guy;1008008]and the pic says we need two OTs, so, that's the RT and the what? center tackle?

they're not talking about depth. so that means garcon and trent are questionable, which makes that pic-chart stupid.[/quote]Well, our RTs have been turnstiles against the pass rush, and Garcon couldn't stay healthy last season (missed 6 games and played hurt others)....

Thought the charts were entertaining even if not wholly accurate. Some of the coaches pics are hilarious. Still interested in discrepancies of the other teams charts.

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Why did Thomas and Rambo fall so far?


I"m sure it has been discussed somewhere over the past 1-2 weeks, but... everyone is saying they could start, both were supposed to have been drafted 2-3 rounds higher, but... they weren't. I realize the drugs with Rambo, but just wanted to see what everyone else was thinking by passing them up. A lot of teams passed on these guys round after round, and picked up much lower ranked safeties ahead of them. If we get "steals", I'd love it, but makes me wonder.


Player - Projected Round - Actual Round
Vaccaro - 1 ===> 1 (15)
Eric Reid - 1-2 ===> 1 (18)
Matt Elam - 1-2 ===> 1 (32)
Cyprien - 1-2 ===> 2 (33)
Swearninger - 2-3 ===> 2 (57)
TJ McDonald - 3-4 ===> 3 (71)
JJ Wilcox - 3 ===> 3 (80)
S.Williams - 3-4 ===> 3 (84)
D.Harmon NA ===> 3 (91)
D.Williams 5 ===> 4 (105)
S.Thomas 3-4 ===> 4 (111)
[B][U][U]P. Thomas - 2-3 ===> 4 (119)[/U][/U][/B]
E.Wolff 6 ===> 5 (136)
J.Meeks ===> 5 (143)
C.Taylor 7 ===> 5 (152)
J.Evans 4 ===> 6 (169)
J.Slaughter ===> 6(175)
[B]B.Rambo 3-4 ===> 6 (191)[/B]

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[quote=ethat001;1008291]Why did Thomas and Rambo fall so far?


I"m sure it has been discussed somewhere over the past 1-2 weeks, but... everyone is saying they could start, both were supposed to have been drafted 2-3 rounds higher, but... they weren't. I realize the drugs with Rambo, but just wanted to see what everyone else was thinking by passing them up. A lot of teams passed on these guys round after round, and picked up much lower ranked safeties ahead of them. If we get "steals", I'd love it, but makes me wonder.


Player - Projected Round - Actual Round
Vaccaro - 1 ===> 1 (15)
Eric Reid - 1-2 ===> 1 (18)
Matt Elam - 1-2 ===> 1 (32)
Cyprien - 1-2 ===> 2 (33)
Swearninger - 2-3 ===> 2 (57)
TJ McDonald - 3-4 ===> 3 (71)
JJ Wilcox - 3 ===> 3 (80)
S.Williams - 3-4 ===> 3 (84)
D.Harmon NA ===> 3 (91)
D.Williams 5 ===> 4 (105)
S.Thomas 3-4 ===> 4 (111)
[B][U][U]P. Thomas - 2-3 ===> 4 (119)[/U][/U][/B]
E.Wolff 6 ===> 5 (136)
J.Meeks ===> 5 (143)
C.Taylor 7 ===> 5 (152)
J.Evans 4 ===> 6 (169)
J.Slaughter ===> 6(175)
[B]B.Rambo 3-4 ===> 6 (191)[/B][/quote]

It could very well come down to scheme fit in all honesty.

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[quote=ethat001;1008291]Why did Thomas and Rambo fall so far?


I"m sure it has been discussed somewhere over the past 1-2 weeks, but... everyone is saying they could start, both were supposed to have been drafted 2-3 rounds higher, but... they weren't. I realize the drugs with Rambo, but just wanted to see what everyone else was thinking by passing them up. A lot of teams passed on these guys round after round, and picked up much lower ranked safeties ahead of them. If we get "steals", I'd love it, but makes me wonder.


Player - Projected Round - Actual Round
Vaccaro - 1 ===> 1 (15)
Eric Reid - 1-2 ===> 1 (18)
Matt Elam - 1-2 ===> 1 (32)
Cyprien - 1-2 ===> 2 (33)
Swearninger - 2-3 ===> 2 (57)
TJ McDonald - 3-4 ===> 3 (71)
JJ Wilcox - 3 ===> 3 (80)
S.Williams - 3-4 ===> 3 (84)
D.Harmon NA ===> 3 (91)
D.Williams 5 ===> 4 (105)
S.Thomas 3-4 ===> 4 (111)
[B][U][U]P. Thomas - 2-3 ===> 4 (119)[/U][/U][/B]
E.Wolff 6 ===> 5 (136)
J.Meeks ===> 5 (143)
C.Taylor 7 ===> 5 (152)
J.Evans 4 ===> 6 (169)
J.Slaughter ===> 6(175)
[B]B.Rambo 3-4 ===> 6 (191)[/B][/quote]



The teams that passed these guys up are going to be regretting it in the near future, we have our Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu playing safety for us for the foreseeable future.

[url=http://college-football.si.com/2012/10/31/fresno-state-phillip-thomas-profiles-in-profiteroles/]Phillip Thomas headlines Fresno State defense; more mid-major college football news | Campus Union - SI.com[/url]

“This 3-4 defense that we run, we learned it from Dick LeBeau and the Steelers, and Phillip’s our Troy Polamalu,” DeRuyter told SI.com. “Where you’ve gotta have a guy who’s gonna be a difference-maker, you can blitz him, you can have him in pass coverage, you can have him as a run-force player, he can play man coverage and he can disguise everything? That guy, for us, is Phillip.”

[url=http://httr4life.com/phillip-thomas-talks-to-media/]Phillip Thomas Says "I'm Going to be the Steal of the Draft" - HTTR4LIFE.com[/url]

Phillip Thomas is a life-long Redskins fan, when asked who his favorite player was he replied, “Sean Taylor.”

“To watch him play the game as aggressive as he was and as great a player as he was…” Thomas said. “He studied film and did everything he had to do and was a perfectionist at the game.”

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1692675/phillip-thomas]Phillip Thomas, FS, Fresno State, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MctoYvSX68]Ultimate Phillip Thomas Highlights (NFL Draft 2013 - 119th Pick // Washington Redskins) - YouTube[/ame]



[url=http://jacksonville.com/sports/college/georgia-bulldogs/2012-11-08/story/bulldogs-bacarri-rambo-welcomes-comparison-his-role]Bulldogs' Bacarri Rambo welcomes comparison to his role model | jacksonville.com[/url]

Bacarri Rambo has a knack for swarming to the ball.

So does his favorite player, Baltimore Ravens safety Ed Reed. Teammates and coaches have said that Rambo reminds them most of Reed when asked to compare the Georgia safety to an NFL player. And that’s without the eight-time Pro Bowler’s name even mentioned in the question.

It shouldn’t come as much of a surprise, though. Rambo said that he’s followed Reed’s career since he was a child and tries to emulate the future Hall of Famer every Saturday.

“I watch his highlight film a lot to see how he does things,” Rambo said. “I feel like he’s more of a ball hawk and that’s what I try to suit myself as. If it comes down to making a big hit, he’s going to make the big hit. I try to do that, too, but now I’d rather just catch interceptions.”

[url]http://fanspeak.com/nfldraft/2013/04/28/bacarri-rambo-senior-bowl-interview/[/url]

I used to look up to Sean Taylor. Rest in peace to a great man, he was a great player. I really respected him, and I looked up to him. But right now, I’d say Ed Reed. I just like his playing style. I just try to do certain things like him, like reading the quarterback and just playing certain types of coverages. And just having that knack for the ball.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/washington-redskins-can-afford-gamble-on-bacarri-rambo/2013/05/05/d901afdc-b5cc-11e2-b94c-b684dda07add_story.html]Washington Redskins can afford gamble on Bacarri Rambo - The Washington Post[/url]

“I feel like I can get there [to the football] and create turnovers,” Rambo said after practice. “I want to be the greatest at my position.”

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1632077/bacarri-rambo]Bacarri Rambo, FS, Georgia, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMt4Y9Nt5bA]Ultimate Bacarri Rambo Highlights | HD - YouTube[/ame]

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[quote=ethat001;1008291]Why did Thomas and Rambo fall so far?


I"m sure it has been discussed somewhere over the past 1-2 weeks, but... everyone is saying they could start, both were supposed to have been drafted 2-3 rounds higher, but... they weren't. I realize the drugs with Rambo, but just wanted to see what everyone else was thinking by passing them up. A lot of teams passed on these guys round after round, and picked up much lower ranked safeties ahead of them. If we get "steals", I'd love it, but makes me wonder.


Player - Projected Round - Actual Round
Vaccaro - 1 ===> 1 (15)
Eric Reid - 1-2 ===> 1 (18)
Matt Elam - 1-2 ===> 1 (32)
Cyprien - 1-2 ===> 2 (33)
Swearninger - 2-3 ===> 2 (57)
TJ McDonald - 3-4 ===> 3 (71)
JJ Wilcox - 3 ===> 3 (80)
S.Williams - 3-4 ===> 3 (84)
D.Harmon NA ===> 3 (91)
D.Williams 5 ===> 4 (105)
S.Thomas 3-4 ===> 4 (111)
[B][U][U]P. Thomas - 2-3 ===> 4 (119)[/U][/U][/B]
E.Wolff 6 ===> 5 (136)
J.Meeks ===> 5 (143)
C.Taylor 7 ===> 5 (152)
J.Evans 4 ===> 6 (169)
J.Slaughter ===> 6(175)
[B]B.Rambo 3-4 ===> 6 (191)[/B][/quote]

Good point and well done.

Maybe we should stop anointing our new safeties as gods until we've seen 'em play in the NFL.

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[quote=ethat001;1008291]Why did Thomas and Rambo fall so far?


I"m sure it has been discussed somewhere over the past 1-2 weeks, but... everyone is saying they could start, both were supposed to have been drafted 2-3 rounds higher, but... they weren't. I realize the drugs with Rambo, but just wanted to see what everyone else was thinking by passing them up. A lot of teams passed on these guys round after round, and picked up much lower ranked safeties ahead of them. If we get "steals", I'd love it, but makes me wonder.


Player - Projected Round - Actual Round
Vaccaro - 1 ===> 1 (15)
Eric Reid - 1-2 ===> 1 (18)
Matt Elam - 1-2 ===> 1 (32)
Cyprien - 1-2 ===> 2 (33)
Swearninger - 2-3 ===> 2 (57)
TJ McDonald - 3-4 ===> 3 (71)
JJ Wilcox - 3 ===> 3 (80)
S.Williams - 3-4 ===> 3 (84)
D.Harmon NA ===> 3 (91)
D.Williams 5 ===> 4 (105)
S.Thomas 3-4 ===> 4 (111)
[B][U][U]P. Thomas - 2-3 ===> 4 (119)[/U][/U][/B]
E.Wolff 6 ===> 5 (136)
J.Meeks ===> 5 (143)
C.Taylor 7 ===> 5 (152)
J.Evans 4 ===> 6 (169)
J.Slaughter ===> 6(175)
[B]B.Rambo 3-4 ===> 6 (191)[/B][/quote]

Ryan Leaf -- 1st
Jamarcus Russell -- 1st
Brandon Weeden -- 1st
Blaine Gabbert -- 1st

Tom Brady -- 6th
Joe Montana -- 3rd

I wouldnt exactly put to much into a player dropping or going early. It would be one thing if there was 32 Ozzie Newsome's as GM's, but thats far from the truth. I also have some faith in Shanallen. They dont hit on every draft pick, but have been pretty good at it since they started, especially with getting people that fit their system. Jacksonville passed on Rambo 6 times, thats got to be a good sign. They dont like to draft talented football players there.

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[quote=ethat001;1008291][...]I"m sure it has been discussed somewhere over the past 1-2 weeks, but... [I] everyone is saying they could start, both were supposed to have been drafted 2-3 rounds higher, but... they weren't.[/I] I realize the drugs with Rambo, but just wanted to see what everyone else was thinking by passing them up. A lot of teams passed on these guys round after round, and picked up much lower ranked safeties ahead of them. If we get "steals", I'd love it, but makes me wonder[.][/quote]

I pencilled in PT and BR as making the roster, not neccessarily as starters. Given that they are rookies and safety carries a lot of responsibility in our defensive system, I would be very surprised if both are a day one starters. Given the state of our safeties, however, I would be less so if [I]one[/I] is a day starter. The bar, quite frankly, is not set very high right now, and, if they play competently during the preseason and work their way into the rotation, one or both may very well be regular starters by the end of the year. That is not a comment on their ability so much as it a comment on our lack of talent at the position.

While I think it unlikely either replaces B. Merriweather as starter, let us not forget BM has been cut twice folks and has played in [i]one game[/I] for us. Just as we need to wait on the rookies, let's see more than one half out of Merriweather. I would agree that, based on his past performance, BM is the best we have at the position but that is just not saying much. As for Tanard Jackson, even if reinstated (not a given), he is not eligible to [I]practice[/I] until after the preseason. I can see him starting out on the PUP list or something equivalent so he can get into game shape [I]if Shanahan is even willing to give him a shot once reinstated[/I]. As I recall, MS was pretty pissed about his suspension and talked about accountability and how TJ really let folks down.

As for the rest of the safety crew, who is someone that we are saying "Oh yeah, he's a keeper - we can't cut him for a rookie". Gomes? Pugh? Doughty? Bernstine? If either PT or BR show even a little potential in preseason Gomes is history - he's had his shot to show up and, well, he hasn't. Bernstine - maybe, but Bernstine would probably be safe on the practice squad where PT and BR probably would not. Pugh? ehh. I think he is the day one starter opposite BM but is very very replaceable. Doughty? <sigh> I imagine he makes the team 'cause that's just what he does.

All in all, I think pencilling in PT and BR the final roster is pretty much a "unless they sh** the bed" move b/c of their youth and the draft pick investment but mostly b/c our current safeties are marginal at best.

As for being passed over, let's not forget last year. RB's chosen before our own Alfred Morris:

1(3) Trent Richardson (CLE)
1(31) Doug Martin (TAM)
1(32) David Wilson (NYG)
2(50) Isaiah Pead (STL)
2(61) LaMichael James (SFO)
3(67) Ronnie Hillman (DEN)
3(84) Bernard Pierce (BAL)
4(97) Lamar Miller (MIA)
4(106) Robert Turbin (SEA)
5(159) Chris Rainey (PIT)
5(170) Vick Ballard (IND)
[B]6(173) Alfred Morris[/B]

Sure, Morris fits the Shanny system but, please, the boy is a tough, patient runner with vision - he would succeed in almost any system. Who knows why guys fall, several safeties (Vaccaro, Reid, Elam, Cyprien) were generally ranked ahead of PT & BR. Others may be scheme fits or just looking at different tape - You think the Giants, Rams, Pittsburg, the Colts and Miami aren't cursing themselves for passing on Morris? Bottom line, regardless of ranking, it's a big ol' crap shoot and, hopefully, by throwing enough darts at the DB's we hit something close to a bullseye.

PT and BR [I]are[/I] getting a lot of early love based on their college play. Regardless, I think their making the roster is a given in light of our crappy safety talent and the fact that they are [I]this[/I] year's cheap talent. Further, and for the same reasons, earning a starter's spot at safety is not an impossible dream on this team - not seeing any Ed Reed's or Sean Taylor's on the current roster. [I]However[/I], whether they are "steals" or not is an entirely different question that will have to wait until we see them strap on some pads and play with the big boys.

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Well said Joe, well said.

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I give this draft an A. Trading this year's and next year's #1's to get Griffin was a winning move. The rest of this draft included 3 ballhawking DB's, a playmaking H-back, and an excellent sleeper coming off injury at OLB. Oh yeah, and 2 RB's - Shanny knows a thing or two about that position. Only thing I wished for that wasn't addressed was a future right OT, but this team is definitely moving in the right direction. If #10 stays healthy, I see a deep playoff run in 2013.

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I also read that Mike Shanahan said Chris Thompson would have been round 1-2 talent if not for the injury, despite his size.



[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/05/06/monday-mailbag-rookie-minicamp-undrafted-free-agents-and-more/"]Monday mailbag: Rookie standouts, running back challenges and Tanard Jackson[/URL]

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[B]Do you think that Roy Helu Jr. or Evan Royster are more threatened by the new running back picks? Thompson looks like a serious threat to be a third-down back, but he is coming off of two season-ending injuries. And Jamison looks like more of an early-down back, with good quickness and strength but not elite speed.[/B]
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I think Thompson (the fifth-round pick out of Florida State) is more of a threat to Helu. The Redskins could’ve used Helu’s speed and pass-catching abilities last season, but he spent the majority of the year on injured reserve. He has yet to prove that he can stay healthy. Thompson possesses great speed, elusiveness and receiving skills, and also did well in pass protection at Florida State. He too is coming off injury (torn anterior cruciate ligament last season), but [B][COLOR=Red]Mike Shanahan said doctors are confident Thompson will be fully recovered by the start of training camp. The Redskins feel like they got a steal in Thompson. Shanahan believes he would have been a first- or second-round pick had it not been for his injury.[/COLOR][/B]

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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDs1YNmEC10]Jordan Reed vs South Carolina 2012 - YouTube[/url]

Really shows his versatility and what he brings in this game. Excited for what he can do for us.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1008502][url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDs1YNmEC10]Jordan Reed vs South Carolina 2012 - YouTube[/url]

Really shows his versatility and what he brings in this game. Excited for what he can do for us.[/quote]

As am I my friend, as am I. :)