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[quote=skinsfaninok;1013471][IMG]http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/27/e9upusyj.jpg[/IMG]


Shaking my head[/quote]
Hmmmmm, let's see....What do a Glock and an Iphone have in common?
BOTH would be of more use inserted in his ear.....

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[quote=Lotus;1013475]In that situation Hernandez would have the opportunity to speak for himself. He will have had the opportunity to provide a defense, which to this point has been completely lacking. Such a defense is important in justice and in humane treatment, except in Cultbrennanland, where no evidence is required and people are guilty only because the all-seeing Cult says they are.

As for the China part, you have not gotten my point at all or you wouldn't say that or the other inhumane things that you have said on the subject. You have no understanding at all of the value of due process or ethical behavior towards an accused.

But, as we've seen again and again, you're not going to let silly things like morals get in the way of your pointless, short-term, superficial titilllation.[/quote]

First off, I'm almost certain your some super Buddhist thats all free loving and sees only good in all people; that people can do no wrong. (Thats what I've gathered from past arguments with you and from todays arguments)
You also seem like someone who was mad that Bin Laden didn't get a trial either.

And by that scenario/example I had listed, a trial wasn't what I was referring to. Its not something that would occur elsewhere, it can definitely occur here. I'm referring to the arraignment that occurred today where the lawyer is going over evidence and Hernandez is sitting there silent. So I don't need your smart ass remarks about Cult land. Right now, You, are on no more of a pedestal of knowledge than I am on this subject. Your view of 'he needs to speak in court and we need to hear his side of the story' gets washed further and further away with the more and more evidence that comes out.

I think he's guilty, you think the evidence is leaning towards that he's guilty. He's going to get his trial like everyone else has before him. What the hell else do you want to argue about?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1013104]Well, there are similarities and, yes, there were some allegations that Lewis was part of the physical brawl that led to the two murders. Certainly, his friends were part of it, had purchased knives the day before with Lewis present, and they all sped away from the crime scene in Lewis' limo after the murder - not stopping until they got to Baltimore. Further, Lewis' white suit from that night was never found. So there was a lot of circumstantial evidence about Lewis' part in the murder but nothing concrete. As I recall, the general consensus was that, if he didn't actually murder the two men, he knew damn well who did, helped them escape and help destroy material evidence. B/c of changing stories, the lack of eyewitnesses and the lack of physical evidence, no one was ever convicted for the two murders. (See: [url=http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-01-05/sports/os-mike-bianchi-ray-lewis-0106-20130105_1_ray-lewis-jacinth-baker-joyce-lollar]As we celebrate Ravens Ray Lewis, don't forget the murder victims - Orlando Sentinel[/url])

On the other hand, and as it appears right now, Hernandez and three men walked into his house, gunshots were heard and, at some point subsequent, Hernandez, two men and a corpse left the house. While, just as with Lewis, there is a certain level of uncertainty (did Hernandez commit the murder, watch someone commit the murder or find out after the fact and help cover it up), the level of uncertainty is no where near what was present in the Lewis case.[/quote]

Good link, I needed to bump this up

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[quote=Chico23231;1012133]Putin is the real life debo. That's my ring punk[/quote]


I don't believe Kraft at all. He gave the ring to Putin and Putin has it on display at the Kremlin. That was a gift and was considered a goodwill gift and it is displayed as such.

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Hernandez looks like a god damn gangbanger in that photo. I mean WTF!!! I am also getting tired of the excessive ink with some of these younger players as well. Kaepernick of San Fran is ridiculous. I almost have to root for the guy. He looks like one of those MS 13 gang members from C America.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1013460]If the police have followed the proper procedures, protected the chain of custody, and have solid forensic evidence of all the things asserted by the DA, AH should cut the best deal he can get. However, those are some significant "ifs". Perhaps the forensics is more fuzzy then the DA asserts. Perhaps there is a gap in the survelliance that AH says "that's when I left". Perhaps the surveillance photos aren't as clear as the prosecutor says (" that's a book not a gun" ), perhaps perhaps perhaps. It's why we have trials.

Me? I think he is guilty and that the prosecutor wouldn't be making such detailed allegations in this very high profile case unless he could back it up. No prosecutor wants to be accused of "OJ'ing" it.[/quote]

What about the other two men? Have they been arrested?

If not then I would imagine that where there is smoke and there is fire, and those two men have made their deal with the Mass DA and Mr Hernadez has a slim chance of being acquitted.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;1013484]Hernandez looks like a god damn gangbanger in that photo. I mean WTF!!! I am also getting tired of the excessive ink with some of these younger players as well. Kaepernick of San Fran is ridiculous. I almost have to root for the guy. He looks like one of those MS 13 gang members from C America.[/quote]

He'll live the life of a gangbanger in jail and squeal like a pig for many years.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1013471][IMG]http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/27/e9upusyj.jpg[/IMG]


Shaking my head[/quote]

major lack of self esteem trying to portray an image of "im a cool thug"

I dont understand people's obsession of guns

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1013481]First off, I'm almost certain your some super Buddhist thats all free loving and sees only good in all people; that people can do no wrong. (Thats what I've gathered from past arguments with you and from todays arguments)
You also seem like someone who was mad that Bin Laden didn't get a trial either.

And by that scenario/example I had listed, a trial wasn't what I was referring to. Its not something that would occur elsewhere, it can definitely occur here. I'm referring to the arraignment that occurred today where the lawyer is going over evidence and Hernandez is sitting there silent. So I don't need your smart ass remarks about Cult land. Right now, You, are on no more of a pedestal of knowledge than I am on this subject. Your view of 'he needs to speak in court and we need to hear his side of the story' gets washed further and further away with the more and more evidence that comes out.

I think he's guilty, you think the evidence is leaning towards that he's guilty. He's going to get his trial like everyone else has before him. What the hell else do you want to argue about?[/quote]

The principle is as simple as it is humane: an accused has a right to defend himself.

Despite the simplicity of this principle, you don't get it. Despite the fact that many six year olds understand this principle, you don't get it.

There's no point in arguing with someone who is out-thought by six year olds.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1013471][IMG]http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/27/e9upusyj.jpg[/IMG]


Shaking my head[/quote]

Wow...not only is Hernandez a killer, but he's a stupid killer.

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I heard some of his old teamates are coming out and saying they are basically not surprised with this.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1013390]Jags are such a mess, so desperate for attention.

They are trying to create a new position...OW.

[IMG]http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/u1YxjAHftWG2PkSZ4DoBFA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/sports/2013-06-26/99883daa-e488-4131-b849-7e3d2e0e3098_Screen-Shot-2013-06-26-at-7-46-36-AM.png[/IMG]

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--denard-robinson-gets-unique-roster-designation-124307677.html]Y! SPORTS[/url][/quote]

This reminds me of when Lorenzo Alexander wanted his official position to be "athlete"

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[quote=Lotus;1013499]The principle is as simple as it is humane: an accused has a right to defend himself.

Despite the simplicity of this principle, you don't get it. Despite the fact that many six year olds understand this principle, you don't get it.

There's no point in arguing with someone who is out-thought by six year olds.[/quote]

I applaud your efforts but ultimately you're right, it's not worth it.

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[quote=Lotus;1013499]The principle is as simple as it is humane: an accused has a right to defend himself.

Despite the simplicity of this principle, you don't get it. Despite the fact that many six year olds understand this principle, you don't get it.

There's no point in arguing with someone who is out-thought by six year olds.[/quote]

..And he's going to get his fair trial like any other accused or guilty person. I'm think he's guilty. Everyone deserves a fair trial, regardless of how guilty someone looks. We'll see after the trial if I, and a large majority of other NFL fans, was right about him being guilty.



Anyway yes we both agree on the Hernandez thing, I don't know why we choose to waste finger energy typing about a guy who is no longer in the NFL.

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[IMG]http://abload.de/img/hernandezhearingthreaj6des.gif[/IMG]

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And here come the (former) teammates

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/27/matt-light-i-have-never-believed-in-anything-aaron-hernandez-stood-for/]Matt Light: I have never believed in anything Aaron Hernandez stood for | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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And another teammate..
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/21/within-days-of-draft-hernandez-threatened-welker/]Within days of draft, Hernandez threatened Welker | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Key quote in this article:

[QUOTE]It was also reported in the newspaper that Hernandez spent “little, if any time with his Patriots teammates off the field,” preferring to surround himself with friends from his old neighborhood.[/QUOTE]

Like I mentioned yesterday, you may leave the hood, but the hood never leaves you.


And one more thing to add

@TedDanielFOX25 22m
BREAKING: According to law source Aaron Hernandez under investigation for possible connection to 2012 double murder in Boston

[url=http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing]Source: Hernandez investigated in Boston double-killing - Boston News, Weather, Sports | FOX 25 | MyFoxBoston[/url]

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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNjPNjECcAAB3i9.jpg:large[/IMG]

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^ Yeah, really. Brady is going to be in a bad mood this year.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/f8Xdf.gif[/img]

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[quote=Ruhskins;1013521][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNjPNjECcAAB3i9.jpg:large[/IMG][/quote]

Being overly cheap with Welker is gonna come back to haunt these guys. The Patriot way of doing things hasnt really produced any championship. AH, Chad Johnson, their drafting in general, being cheap with vets, not being able to tape opponents walk throughs, etc. have really hurt this organization. Lord knows where they be without Pretty Boy Brady.

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[url=http://www.tmz.com/2013/06/27/aaron-hernandez-throwing-gang-signs/]Aaron Hernandez -- The Signs of a Gang Member | TMZ.com[/url]

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[url=http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing#.UcxGEr150OA.twitter]Source: Hernandez being looked at in connection to double-murder - Boston News, Weather, Sports | FOX 25 | MyFoxBoston[/url]

and it just keeps getting worse

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and people say innocent til proven guilty. but who is exactly convicting Hernandez prematurely...the people or the MEdia?

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The talent and opportunities that some of these athletes are presented with, and then they just throw it away...

I'm so glad the Redskins core is built of high-character players. Hopefully, the FO continues to build with this type of players.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1013536][url=http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing#.UcxGEr150OA.twitter]Source: Hernandez being looked at in connection to double-murder - Boston News, Weather, Sports | FOX 25 | MyFoxBoston[/url]

and it just keeps getting worse[/quote]

The man he may have just killed probably knew about it, and was going to say something about it. And that was his motive.

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[quote=donofriose;1013556]The man he may have just killed probably knew about it, and was going to say something about it. And that was his motive.[/quote]

[url=http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/06/27/former-patriots-player-aaron-hernandez-probed-two-more-murders-law-enforcement-officials-say/0GPNwDdsU4nguqnB2LADYM/story.html]Former Patriots player Aaron Hernandez is probed in two more murders, law enforcement officials say - Boston.com[/url]

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I swear, Boston fans are the dumbest fans in the country :doh:

RT @CindyBoren: People chanting "inn-o-cent" as Aaron Hernandez is transported back to jail.

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Bail denied

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[quote=Ruhskins;1013562]I swear, Boston fans are the dumbest fans in the country :doh:

RT @CindyBoren: People chanting "inn-o-cent" as Aaron Hernandez is transported back to jail.[/quote]


Reminds me of the Penn State students outside of Joe Paterno's house.

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He's guilty folks and his emotions at court show it, he doesn't care. Now they have also found the suv linked to 2 killings in a driveby at his house?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1013578]He's guilty folks and his emotions at court show it, he doesn't care. Now they have also found the suv linked to 2 killings in a driveby at his house?[/quote]

Still needs to go to court and should be allowed to defend himself, but based on what I have heard he seems guilty. But of course, there is probably a lot of other information out there we have not heard yet.

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I hope the guy isn't guilty, but it sure doesn't look good for him

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1013558][url=http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/06/27/former-patriots-player-aaron-hernandez-probed-two-more-murders-law-enforcement-officials-say/0GPNwDdsU4nguqnB2LADYM/story.html]Former Patriots player Aaron Hernandez is probed in two more murders, law enforcement officials say - Boston.com[/url][/quote]

Yea, it confirms an obvious motive.

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The guy from the cowboys whose drunk driving killed a teamate just failed his second drug test while on bond. Dont have the link. The debaggery continues and they kept this guy on the roster. I hope Jerra lives to be 120.

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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/aaron-hernandez-journey-football-star-being-locked-shocking-174548939.html]Y! SPORTS[/url]

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This was posted on Reddit. It's a detailed list of the evidence they have. (or that is known)

[url=http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1h6euh/full_account_of_the_evidence_against_hernandez/]Full account of the evidence against Hernandez. : nfl[/url]
[quote]I'm trying this again, because when I posted this as a comment in the official thread many people suggested I try posting it again. Hopefully the mods will leave it up. one thread per day on the subject doesn't seem like overkill to me.

All of this was from his arraignment yesterday.

The charges:[LIST][*]Murder[*] Carrying a firearm without a license[*] Possession of a large capacity firearm x2[*] Possession of a firearm without and FID card x2

The evidence:
[*] Victim found 1/2 mile from Hernandez's home w/ numerous gunshot wounds[*] 5 .45 caliber shells found at the scene, fired from a semi-auto weapon, based on the locations and distance between them.[*] Victim was not robbed, had wallet, keys and phone.[*] Keys were to a rental car, registered to Hernandez.[*] Phone contained text messages between the victim and Hernandez, within hours of the murder.[*] Victim's sister said her brother left at 2:30 AM in a silver Nissan Altima with three people inside[*] Hernandez had been renting a Silver Nissan Altima[*] Hernandez had known the victim for about a year, The victims girlfriend is the sister of Hernadez's Fiance[*] The police went to question Hernandez, Who didn't answer the door. a squad car was placed outside. Eventually Hernandez came out, and told the cops he knew they were they and that he had been watching them on his surveillance system[*] A warrant was issued to seize surveillance footage from Hernandez's home.[*] hernandez had recently installed a 14 camera system with cameras inside and out.[*] Upon reviewing the footage, they noticed that the first 6-8 hours of footage after the time of the murder was missing.[*] at 9:02 PM Hernandez texted a friend from out of state "please make it back"[*] 9:05 he texted the victim, indicating he wanted to come by and get together with him[*] 9:35 he texted the same out of state friend "get your ass up here" then at 10:23 "hurry your ass up"[*] The man he was texting and one other showed up at hernandez's home, seen on surveillance footage[*] Shortly after they arrive, Hernandez is seen with a firearm in his home on the surveillance system says "he is upset that he can't trust anyone anymore"[*] the three left Hernandez's home at 1:12 AM in the silver Nissan Altima, captured on survelliance, phone records and cell tower[*] the went from Hernadez's home to route 95, headed south towards (? couldn't understand) they turned around and went north. the cell phone tower tracked their movement to a gas station off route 128[*] at 2:10AM Hernandez bought Gas, Bubbalicious blue cotton candy gum, and black and milds which are used for smoking mariujana (the prosecutor seems to be mistaken about common blunt cigars but oh well)[*] Next they went to the victims home, at 2:32 am Hernandez sent a text "we're here" to the victim, this is when the victims sister saw him leave with them, Hernandez was driving[*] They drove back to North Attleboro, this is corroborated by some random surveillance cameras and route was determined by time and distance traveled.[*] during the ride, Hernandez had a conversation with the victim indicating he was upset with him. The two had gone to a club together friday night.[*] he said some things happened that night and he wasn't sure if he could trust the victim, one of them was that the victim had spoken to some people He had troubles with, and he was mad about it.[*] At 3:07 AM the victim sent a text to his sister "did you see who I am with" no response he texted again at 3:11 AM "Hello?"[*] at 3:19 am his sister replied "who?" at 3:22 the victim texted back "NFL" then 1 minute later "Just so you know"[*] at the time of these texts, the car is seen on surveillance cameras in the area of the murder site/Hernandez's home[*] Surveillance cameras show the vehicle driving down the road to the murder site at 3:23 AM[*] between 3:23 and 3:27 am workers nearby hear multiple gunshots[*] cameras pick up the vehicle along the route between the murder site and Hernandez's home at 3:27 and 3:28 AM.[*] Hernandez's own Surveillance picks sees him arriving back home at 3:29 AM[*] Police confirm it is only a 2 minute drive.[*] autopsy found that all evidence was consistent with the victim being murdered where he was found. In other words, he wasn't dumped. Also consistent Time of death to the time the car was there.[*] two through and through wounds to the victim's chest. Police returned to the scene and dug where the victim was, they found the bullets, indicating the victim was on the ground when he was shot. Both bullets were .45 caliber, consistent with the casings found. All fired from the same unknown gun[*] at 3:30 AM Hernandez is seen with his companions in his driveway, one of whom has a gun.[*] they go inside. Surveillance shows Hernandez walking around with a gun in his hand.[*] all three go to the basement. Surveillance cameras shut off[*] later that day, 5:30 PM Hernandez and his companions return the Nissan Altima to the rental agency, Hernandez offers the attendant Blue Bubbalicious.[*] one of the side mirrors is broken on the car, footage of the vehicle earlier in the night suggest it wasn't broken when he left Boston, he tells the rental agency he didn't even notice it. The evidence being that it was broken sometime between leaving Boston and arriving back at home.[*] He rents another car and returns home, companions leave.[*] At the rental agency, a piece of bubbalicious and a shell casing were found, attendant threw them away. When questioned, she told investigators about it, they found it in the dumpster, Shell casing matched to the casings found at the scene.[*] Tire impressions at the murder scene right next to the body were consistent with a front wheel drive vehicle (altima is FWD)[*] Investigators checked out the rental car. Tire treads matched those at the crime scene. Dirt found on the car also matched the crime scene[*] They found a .22 nearby in a search of everywhere between Hernandez's home and the murder site. Hernandez a month prior had been involved an altercation in providence Rhode island. He had someone with him who was seen to place a gun under a car. This man matches the description of one of his companions on the night of the murder.[*] The gun under the car in Providence was traced to a florida gunstore. The 22 found between Hernandez's home and the murder site was from the same store.[*] further search warrant of Hernandez's home ordered. They found 22 ammo, but no 22 gun. They also found a large capacity 7.62 hungarian semi auto rifle, and a fully loaded 32 round magazine . Hernandez's prints on it, he doesn't have the correct paperwork to own it.[*] Not recovered was the Black semi auto handgun seen in Hernandez's hand before and after the murder. the second individuals gun not found either.[*] Hernandez's girlfriend was spoken to by police, she was cooperating until a call from hernandez telling her not to. She then stopped talking.[*] the victim had defensive wounds and seemed to attempt to stop the bullets with his arms.[/LIST]
there also seems to be a sealed affadavit, so it looks like someone talked (especially since they know the convo with the victim in the car)

Another Man seems to have been arrested in connection with this case. Carlos Ortiz

EDIT: Hernandez reportedly being looked into in a double homicide from last year No clue about the validity, it's an unnamed source on a fox news affiliate so take it with a grain of salt.

EDIT2: Full video of the arraignment

EDIT 3: Boston Globe reports victim may have been killed because he knew details of the double shooting Hernandez is being looked into for.
[/quote]


Holy shit. That's a lot of forensic evidence.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/27/cops-impound-suv-that-may-connect-hernandez-to-2012-killings/]Cops impound SUV that may connect Hernandez to 2012 killings | ProFootballTalk[/url]

More bad news for Hernandez.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1013562]I swear, Boston fans are the dumbest fans in the country :doh:

RT @CindyBoren: People chanting "inn-o-cent" as Aaron Hernandez is transported back to jail.[/quote]

disappointing.

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Why any fans would stick up for this guy at this point is simply amazing. Your team dropped him like a bad habit, there's your sign.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/9429938/josh-brent-dallas-cowboys-jailed-failing-second-drug-test]Josh Brent of Dallas Cowboys jailed after failing second drug test - ESPN Dallas[/url]

More idiots abound. This guy is the epitome of stupid. Go directly to jail, do not pass go.


Why he's on the Cowboys roster is still mind boggling.