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I liked what I saw from Amerson. He should've had a pick. He'll make that play most of the time. But he also was coming up in run support with some attitude. He looks like he belongs out there already.

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[quote=mredskins;1018333]I will say this much I was more impressed with Skins then the Titans. They probably trade Locker for Cousins.[/quote]

I've really never been impresssed with Locker. Great athlete but he doesn't look like a polished QB. Notcie how long the coaches left him out there? He was still playing well into the 2nd q. Never see that for a starting QB in his 1st pre season game.

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[quote=Bushead;1018294]Why is everyone talking about Rambo being beat one on one in wide open space and not how Orakpo completely messed up?[/quote]

Both Rak and Fletcher were way out of position. Run D was pretty bad last night. Actually, it was also bad against Seattle in the playoff game as well. Could be a problem this year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1018358]I liked what I saw from Amerson. He should've had a pick. He'll make that play most of the time. But he also was coming up in run support with some attitude. He looks like he belongs out there already.[/quote]

Amerson definitely impressed.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1018280]PW looked solid against scrubs. As I said to my wife, PW made another play to a guy you never heard who was covered by another guy you never heard about.

On top of the guys who know say Rex is LOVED by his coaches and teammates. Rex is competent in the base offense. Have not seen that PW is.[/quote]

Um, yea your right about the scrubs.

But keep in mind our base offense is not what Rex had when he first came to the Skins. and he looked horrid rolling out getting sacked or trying to throw the ball away.

Heck even my 16 y/o thought Rex looked horrible and even pointed out how bad the throws were. At one point he said "I can throw a better spiral then that".

Rex needs to go. Assistant coach maybe, player he is not anymore.

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[quote=Bushead;1018294]Why is everyone talking about Rambo being beat one on one in wide open space and not how Orakpo completely messed up?[/quote]

Yeah, but Rambo is supposed to be the last man standing, but Orakpo failed to contain. He took too wide a angle on that play.

What I noticed.... the Titans had a hard time running up the middle and basically ran outside most of the night.

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[quote=mredskins;1018295]Rex is more valuable then Pat White think of him as a Asst. QB coach. If he ever sees the field due to injuries to KC and RG then well our season is shot.

Pat White won't beat out Rex for that reason above.[/quote]

Interesting how I see it completely different.

If they need an Asst coach then make him an assistant coach. Rex can't run, can't throw, and made bad decisions last night against second stringers.

PW showed he understood how the system works, he can roll out and get away from the DE or LB, he can actually throw into traffic and get the WR the ball, and did I mention the biggest issue is he has mobility? Rex has none. Zippie.

Oh and his balls had a nice spiral to them unlike Rex's duck wobble throws. Rex is starting to remind me of McNabb with his duck wobble balls and dirt balls.

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[quote=SirLK26;1018357][url=http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/8/9/4605530/phillip-thomas-injury-foot-sprain-redskins]Phillip Thomas injury: Redskins rookie dealing with foot sprain - SBNation.com[/url][/quote]

Oh boy, another foot injury... Might as well put him on IR.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;1018299]Agree, if White has to start...we're done.

However, I'd keep him as the 3rd QB for the value he brings in practice preparing for Vick twice a year and other mobile QBs. Romo (to an extent), Rodgers (of course won't come close to AR's arm/accuracy), Kap at SF. If we make the playoffs, we'll likely run into SEA along the way.

If Rex is truly valuable as a Coach, make him one.[/quote]

and... if Rex makes the team... we are done before we start.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1018316]Pat White is not making this team over Rex Grossman[/quote]

Well then hopefully what your saying is both will be off the team and some no name Rookie will be on the PS.

Rex looked bad last night. bad against second stringers.

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It was the 1st preseason game, try not to get caught up with what you saw, good or bad.

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[quote=JoLo;1018367]Oh boy, another foot injury... Might as well put him on IR.[/quote]

Yep! Throw in the towel now. Seasons done. They're goes our backup rookie 4th round safety.

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[quote=SBXVII;1018369]Well then hopefully what your saying is both will be off the team and some no name Rookie will be on the PS.

Rex looked bad last night. bad against second stringers.[/quote]

Rex got no help from the Oline, and I didnt think it was that bad. It was 3rd string QBing...what do you expect?

Cousins said in an interview, Rex has had a huge impact in his development and alot of his early success is directly attributed to Rex being there and showing both him and RG3 Kyle's system and how to carry themself.

Need people like that on the roster.

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[quote=Mattyk;1018371]It was the 1st preseason game, try not to get caught up with what you saw, good or bad.[/quote]

So the Skins shouldn't start Pat White?

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[quote=SBXVII;1018366]Interesting how I see it completely different.

If they need an Asst coach then make him an assistant coach. Rex can't run, can't throw, and made bad decisions last night against second stringers.

[B]PW showed he understood how the system works[/B], he can roll out and get away from the DE or LB, he can actually throw into traffic and get the WR the ball, and did I mention the biggest issue is he has mobility? Rex has none. Zippie.

Oh and his balls had a nice spiral to them unlike Rex's duck wobble throws. Rex is starting to remind me of McNabb with his duck wobble balls and dirt balls.[/quote]

White was running pretty basic stuff. Against 4th stringers. And let's not even get started on his delivery, which is one of the slowest I've seen.

Rex was throwing balls away or up for grabs to avoid taking any big shots in the pocket.

Again, it's the preseason.

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[quote=Lotus;1018339]preseason Pat White = preseason Colt Brennan[/quote]

and I would have taken Colt Brennan over Rex. He was younger, more mobile, and had a better spiral. Not to mention he had more upside, Rex is maxed out.

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[quote=donofriose;1018374]So the Skins shouldn't start Pat White?[/quote]

First thing I'm doing in Madden is trading Griffin and Cousins. It's all about Pat White.

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[quote=SBXVII;1018369]Well then hopefully what your saying is both will be off the team and some no name Rookie will be on the PS.

Rex looked bad last night. bad against second stringers.[/quote]

Were you watching the game? His protection was terrible as the 2nd team line got abused. Rex hung in there and made some nice passes, and flat out had a drop. He threw one or two that he shouldn't have....to me that's a typical Rex performance. I actually thought he played decent. I think Rex could go 20 /25 and 300 yards and the fans will still bitch about him.

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[quote=Chico23231;1018373]Rex got no help from the Oline, and I didnt think it was that bad. It was 3rd string QBing...what do you expect?

Cousins said in an interview, Rex has had a huge impact in his development and alot of his early success is directly attributed to Rex being there and showing both him and RG3 Kyle's system and how to carry themself.

Need people like that on the roster.[/quote]

So now we make excuses for Rex as to why he looks bad but PW... not allowed to have excuses. I call BS.

Rex sucks. period. As for Cousin's development...that can be done from a coaches position. Rex should not be taking up a spot on this team. He was a has been when he got here and still is a has been. What makes it worse is he now is in a system that does not suit him. Rex is a simple Pro style QB and definitely should not be in a college spread style offense.

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[quote=Mattyk;1018377]First thing I'm doing in Madden is trading Griffin and Cousins. It's all about Pat White.[/quote]

All were talking about is who takes the 3rd QB spot. Personally I'd rather have PW who is younger, healthier, throws decent spirals, and can thread the needle as he did several times.

Yes even though it was against 4th stringers. He atleast has up side and mobility. Rex is not going to get any better, Rex is not going to all of a sudden become mobile.

He was never mobile under the basic offense 4 yrs ago and still is not mobile. Plus he makes stupid decisions.

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We might as well debate who the backup long snapper should be. That would probably be a more productive discussion.

Barring injury White isn't making the team, sorry.

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[quote=SBXVII;1018376]and I would have taken Colt Brennan over Rex. He was younger, more mobile, and had a better spiral. Not to mention he had more upside, Rex is maxed out.[/quote]

Chances are no one will see Grossman, White, or Brennan take a single real snap this year. It doesn't matter who might or might not be better - likely they're all irrelevant.

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[quote=Mattyk;1018381]We might as well debate who the backup long snapper should be. That would probably be a more productive discussion.

Barring injury White isn't making the team, sorry.[/quote]

The only positives I can say about pat white are:

He's better than tebow

He's more athletic than grossman

He could be interesting to have or bring back to use in a package with him and RG3 on the field lined up next to each other


Other than that its not worth having him over a guy like Chris Thompson of Chase Minnifield for an extra tackle (offensive or defensive )

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[quote=SBXVII;1018369]Well then hopefully what your saying is both will be off the team and some no name Rookie will be on the PS.

Rex looked bad last night. bad against second stringers.[/quote]

I fail to see how he looked "bad". He looked under pressure but he drove us down the field several times only to get short-circuited by penalties. He wasn't great certainly either.

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[quote=SBXVII;1018380]All were talking about is who takes the 3rd QB spot. [B]Personally I'd rather have PW who is younger, healthier, throws decent spirals, and can thread the needle as he did several times. [/B]

Yes even though it was against 4th stringers. He atleast has up side and mobility. Rex is not going to get any better, Rex is not going to all of a sudden become mobile.

He was never mobile under the basic offense 4 yrs ago and still is not mobile. Plus he makes stupid decisions.[/quote]

:saywhat:

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I ask this seriously, b/c I can't remember, did any throw by PW travel more than 20 yards through the air (from his hand to the point of reception)?

And yeah, Matty, I could count drink my beer, check the twitter feeds and post in the game thread while PW was delivering the ball. You could really see this at training camp. When the 4 QB's were throwing, RGIII's ball invariably arrived first and generally with time to switch and watch another receiver make a catch. PW's ball was almost always the last to get from QB to receiver - regardless of the drill.

With PW in there, the field shrinks to about 20 yards past the line of scrimmage and mediocre man coverage wins. At least Grossman can make all the throws. If we really ever needed to play our 3rd QB in a game situation, Grossman over White every time.

If your argument is PW is the next Colt Brennan, I think you have already proved the "PW not making the roster" crowd's case.

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I think it should be a rule moving forward the first post in every game day thread is this:

[IMG]http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m149/mrgold35/readthread_zps3e721086.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=FRPLG;1018385]I fail to see how he looked "bad". He looked under pressure but he drove us down the field several times only to get short-circuited by penalties. He wasn't great certainly either.[/quote]

There is a reason Grossman is not the starter. There is a reason the team drafted not one but two QB's last year. Because Grossman was not getting the job done. So why keep him? He's old. He's has no mobility. He and his peak has already been reached.

PW in my opinion was in the wrong system and situation in Miami. He's young. He's mobile. and he has a ton of up side and potential.

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[quote=SBXVII;1018393]There is a reason Grossman is not the starter. There is a reason the team drafted not one but two QB's last year. Because Grossman was not getting the job done. So why keep him? He's old. He's has no mobility. He and his peak has already been reached.

PW in my opinion was in the wrong system and situation in Miami. He's young. He's mobile. and he has a ton of up side and potential.[/quote]

If we are going to make "there is a reason..." arguments, I may offer one: there is a reason why Pat White was out of work for a long time and is unwanted by any other team.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1018388]I ask this seriously, b/c I can't remember, did any throw by PW travel more than 20 yards through the air (from his hand to the point of reception)?

And yeah, Matty, I could count drink my beer, check the twitter feeds and post in the game thread while PW was delivering the ball. You could really see this at training camp. When the 4 QB's were throwing, RGIII's ball invariably arrived first and generally with time to switch and watch another receiver make a catch. PW's ball was almost always the last to get from QB to receiver - regardless of the drill.

With PW in there, the field shrinks to about 20 yards past the line of scrimmage and mediocre man coverage wins. At least Grossman can make all the throws. If we really ever needed to play our 3rd QB in a game situation, Grossman over White every time.

If your argument is PW is the next Colt Brennan, I think you have already proved the "PW not making the roster" crowd's case.[/quote]

I guess if you think McNabb is better then Brennan then you got him. ;)

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[quote=Lotus;1018394]If we are going to make "there is a reason..." arguments, I may offer one: there is a reason why Pat White was out of work for a long time and is unwanted by any other team.[/quote]

One could say the same for Grossman. When was the last time he started?... couple years ago?

There is a reason other teams are not banging our door down to get Grossman. If I remember correctly didn't he want to go to Miami over the summer and Miami said NO!.

Wonder why? he's so good. They must be idiots also.

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I love preseason football, people actually debate about important vital components to the Redskins like who would be the better 3rd string quarterback... Pat White vs. Rex Grossman

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Look I'm in no way saying PW is our savior and better then RG3 or Cousins. All I'm saying is we know what we have in Grossman and in my opinion as a player he does not offer much. Does that mean PW offers more? no but he's younger and more mobile.

You want to solve the problem? Lets pick up a Rookie QB and stick him on the PS to develop for when we trade Cousins away for draft picks next year. ;)

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[quote=donofriose;1018399]I love preseason football, people actually debate about important vital components to the Redskins like who would be the better 3rd string quarterback... Pat White vs. Rex Grossman[/quote]

To be honest this is a blessing twist. We could be talking about who the starting QB should be and how bad they suck like we have done for over 10 yrs.

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[quote=SBXVII;1018401]To be honest this is a blessing twist. We could be talking about who the starting QB should be and how bad they suck like we have done for over 10 yrs.[/quote]

I'll give you that one.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1018381]We might as well debate who the backup long snapper should be. That would probably be a more productive discussion.

Barring injury White isn't making the team, sorry.[/QUOTE]

Productive disscusion? About the first preseason game? This is a message board on the Internet right? The best one out there in my opinion, but none the less a message board. We are merly looking for someone to root for and make the preseason a little more exciting and half of you guys wanna shoot it down like we are saying he should start week one. I mean the kid had a damn nice game, even against 4th and 3rd stringers. And as someone who has followed him in college, his accuracy looked a lot better last night. And for the rest of the preseason you can bet I'll be pullin for him. It will at a minimum make the games that much more entertaining.

And also who's to say they don't keep him to use a backup qb and utility player. Toss him in some crazy formations. If this was RG and Kirk's first year I would understand the whole Rex is learning them to the game argument. But this is the second season and I don't know what Rex has left to teach RG or Kirk. If white doesn't make the team I hope Rex doesn't either. I'd rather have two qb's and give that roster spot to someone else.

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On a side note all the other players talked about as far as doing well I thought they all looked good.

Robinson seemed to drop a couple of balls and allowed one to hit his pads and bounce off.

Hankerson seemed to look better the more the game went on but for some reason he had trouble with a couple of balls. One I think was thrown behind him though.

Lewis caught the ball and seemed to be hard to bring down. On one occasion he had a defender on his back and still ran for about 5 to 10 more yards. On another occasion he ran through a tackle.

Helu looked really good, but so did Royster at the end.

Fred Davis had a good night. Paulson looked good also.

Defensive pressure looked good but it could get better. Perhaps with stunts and more intricate plays they will be hard to stop.

As stated the back field seemed to struggle but maybe with some time working together they will get better.

Special Teams looked a lot better. Hopefully they improve more and more. Kick return could be better.

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Alrighty then.

How about we move on and talk about something other than the 3rd string QB?

I really liked B. Jenkins, I think he could add a new dimension to the pass rush.

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Also liked what I saw from Minnifield and Crawford.

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[quote=Mattyk;1018409]Alrighty then.

How about we move on and talk about something other than the 3rd string QB?

I really liked B. Jenkins, I think he could add a new dimension to the pass rush.[/quote]

He will, Lance Lewis looked good too. Deszmon Briscoe cant catch anything.