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When people say KS is ready to be a HC I just don't see how? I mean he's so inconsistent with play calling its unreal

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[quote=Mattyk;1028144]The optimist in me says we still have 5 division games to go. Plenty of opportunity to make up ground.

But then I look at the D and I want to throw up.[/quote]

The only thing going for the 'skins right now is that the division champ could be 7-9 this year - and having five more division games is a ray of hope. But, the defense is horrible. There's not enough kool-aid drinking in the world that can change that fact. :(

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1028148]When people say KS is ready to be a HC I just don't see how? I mean he's so inconsistent with play calling its unreal[/quote]

I say that Kyle should be a HC because of his track record. In Houston he produced a high-octane offense. Last year for us anyway, he produced a high-octane offense. Thus he has been a successful coordinator repeatedly and people with such track records typically get HC gigs.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1028145]He didn't play as bad as everyone is saying. But his turnovers killed the team, as did numerous other things. Hopefully he can build on the positives yesterday. [B]However, because of the heavy price that was paid to get him, we need him to be a great QB. Not one that makes stupid Int's in the red zone, or one that makes a great throw, then a bad one.[/B] W/out the threat to run, I'm just not sure he'll ever be a great QB.[/quote]

Show me a QB in the NFL who is infallible. 19 games into his pro career he's gonna have stinkers and dumb plays. We've all seen Manning, Brady, Rodgers, etc. make mistakes, I'm not gonna kill him for those until they become a pattern.

I wonder if in 4 weeks we will still be talking about him not being 'a threat to run'. He showed pretty good mobility and ability yesterday. He's not going to beat every defender to the corner, in the NFL nobody will, but he will beat most. If defenses keep playing man to man, he will be able to get those 20 yard chunks when he breaks contain. If that forces them into playing zone, all the better for our offense.

If you can't see progress in his game from week one to yesterday, you simply aren't watching.

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[quote=Mattyk;1028144]The optimist in me says we still have 5 division games to go. Plenty of opportunity to make up ground.

But then I look at the D and I want to throw up.[/quote]

Yes, the defense is historically bad to this point. Just atrocious.

But aren't most of our defensive problems fixable? For example, if we eliminated yards gained after missed tackles, our defense would not be all that bad.

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[quote=Lotus;1028151]I say that Kyle should be a HC because of his track record. In Houston he produced a high-octane offense. Last year for us anyway, he produced a high-octane offense. Thus he has been a successful coordinator repeatedly and people with such track records typically get HC gigs.[/quote]

But let's remember that Norv Turner produced high octane offensives for the Dallas Cowboys during their Super Bowl years, and was bad to average as a head coach. I don't think calling X's and O's is enough to be a great head coach. Certainly I DO think Kyle deserves a shot at head coaching though. If what SS says is true about him and his dad having a difference of opinion with how the offense should be ran, then go with one or the other, but both are probably more of a distraction than a help.

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It seems like the offense is getting better each week so that's a plus to take away from this game. RG3 could really have benefitted from playing in the pre-season.

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Would be great to see more Helu, he's quick with the ball.

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[quote=Lotus;1028154]Yes, the defense is historically bad to this point. Just atrocious.

But aren't most of our defensive problems fixable? For example, if we eliminated yards gained after missed tackles, our defense would not be all that bad.[/quote]

Saw a stat yesterday that of the 400+ yards we gave up vs. Detroit, more than 210 of them were after contact/missed tackle. That's just putrid. That's man up material. Individually, you've got to be better than that. I hope Fletcher has some kind of resurgence like he did last year because I thought he was done in the 1st Giants game but he rebounded. He's playing like a 38 yr old vs kids.

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[quote=skinsguy;1028157]But let's remember that Norv Turner produced high octane offensives for the Dallas Cowboys during their Super Bowl years, and was bad to average as a head coach. I don't think calling X's and O's is enough to be a great head coach. Certainly I DO think Kyle deserves a shot at head coaching though. If what SS says is true about him and his dad having a difference of opinion with how the offense should be ran, then go with one or the other, but both are probably more of a distraction than a help.[/quote]

I completely agree. My remarks were directed at how one becomes a HC. Whether or not one then is successful as a HC is a different story.

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[quote=Lotus;1028154]Yes, the defense is historically bad to this point. Just atrocious.

But aren't most of our defensive problems fixable? For example, if we eliminated yards gained after missed tackles, our defense would not be all that bad.[/quote]

What concerns me the most is it always seems to be your basic mechanics of tackling which should be second nature when you enter the NFL. The tackling is horrid. If it was one of those deals where the defense covered well but the receiver made dramatic catches anyway, or the running back just made some awesome Matrix move that got them out of an, otherwise, solid tackle, then I'd just say that the defense has been unlucky. But, besides for guys like Ryan Kerrigan, it has been scary how poor the mechanics have been with these guys on defense. It is like they have forgotten everything they learned in pee wee football.

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[quote=Mattyk;1028144]The optimist in me says we still have 5 division games to go. Plenty of opportunity to make up ground.

[B]But then I look at the D and I want to throw up[/B].[/quote]

As bad as the defense is, and it's pretty damn bad, they gave the offense 7 yesterday. The offense scored 13 at home against Detroit. That's not the 85 Bears out there.

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[quote=Paintrain;1028160]Saw a stat yesterday that of the 400+ yards we gave up vs. Detroit, more than 210 of them were after contact/missed tackle. That's just putrid. That's man up material. Individually, you've got to be better than that. I hope Fletcher has some kind of resurgence like he did last year because I thought he was done in the 1st Giants game but he rebounded. He's playing like a 38 yr old vs kids.[/quote]

Exactly. We gave up 448 yards, minus 210 for missed tackles, and that's 238 total yards. Not a bad defensive effort when looked at that way.

But we need to fix the tackling issue or we'll keep giving up 448 yards. Skinsguy is right that this issue should not be happening.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1028163]As bad as the defense is, and it's pretty damn bad, they gave the offense 7 yesterday. The offense scored 13 at home against Detroit. That's not the 85 Bears out there.[/quote]

The offense shot themselves in the foot a couple of times but the defense has been historically bad.

Given how bad the D has been it's going to be awfully hard for the offense make up for that no matter how well they play.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1028148]When people say KS is ready to be a HC I just don't see how? I mean he's so inconsistent with play calling its unreal[/quote]

I agree in a tight game, and Morris was clearly on his game why would you abandon the running game in the second half? We weren't in a position where we were coming behind from 20+ points. We were in the game all day and Morris was so close on a few of his runs to get big yardage.

On his 30 yard TD I could see where his speed and burst has improved over last year.

I had said that it would take III till the Oak game to get his game going and honestly yesterday we saw him take huge steps forward from week 1-2-3.

The defense once again killed us. There is out biggest problem, that and loffensive play calling.

BTW no way we go 0-16. Who ever the guys are that are saying that well we just are not that bad. Not even close two plays yesterday were the difference in winning and losing. Last year we were making them every game in the last seven and this year well... Not so much.

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I don't understand the change in off either, we are now a pass first team

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I put too early to tell either way, but thats only because the rest of the NFC East doesn't seem to be very good (although Dallas is clearly the best right now).

My expectations for this team are now about zero; so we'll see. Not giving up on them, but don't really have high hopes either.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1028166]I agree in a tight game, and Morris was clearly on his game why would you abandon the running game in the second half? We weren't in a position where we were coming behind from 20+ points. We were in the game all day and Morris was so close on a few of his runs to get big yardage.

On his 30 yard TD I could see where his speed and burst has improved over last year.

I had said that it would take III till the Oak game to get his game going and honestly yesterday we saw him take huge steps forward from week 1-2-3.

The defense once again killed us. There is out biggest problem, that and loffensive play calling.

[B]BTW no way we go 0-16. Who ever the guys are that are saying that well we just are not that bad. Not even close two plays yesterday were the difference in winning and losing. Last year we were making them every game in the last seven and this year well... Not so much.[/B][/quote]
Exactly. Even at 0-3, maybe it's being stubborn, but I don't see this team as a 10, 11, 12 or more loss team. This team isn't as bad as Shanahan's first two Redskins teams that lost 10 and 11 games. Unless we're hit with some crippling injuries, we'll land in the .500 neighborhood. The defense simply cannot continue to be THIS bad. Amerson will improve, Rambo should improve some. Jenkins coming back will help. We've been as unlucky (aside from Hall's two TD) as a team could be so far on both sides of the ball.

Unlike the Giants who got worse and old at many key positions (RB-worse, OL-old, DL-old, LB/secondary-worse) we have potential for this not to be a lost season but it has to be with a win in Oakland and a win after the by at Dallas.

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And can someone tell Fletcher to stop showboating after he makes a routine tackle? Dude your defense is the worst in NFL history, just go back to the huddle and get ready for the next play.

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this is the prime example of how much PS really doesn't reflect anything

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[quote=skinsfan69;1028170]And can someone tell Fletcher to stop showboating after he makes a routine tackle? Dude your defense is the worst in NFL history, just go back to the huddle and get ready for the next play.[/quote]


and what's odd is he's like 38! Dude u have made those tackles thousands of times

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RGIII after the game.

“It’s the rule. It can be a sucky rule, but it’s still one of the NFL rules, and they said it’s a fumble. So, it’s unfortunate, and I’ve just got to make sure if I dive forward, hold onto the ball. … It was really unfortunate that we lost the game on two calls, two judgment calls.”

Hey, dumb ass. Its not a judgement call its a rule and you fumbled the ball. Maybe if you spent more time reading the rules then doing every interview to talk about yourself you would have known.

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[quote=Paintrain;1028152]Show me a QB in the NFL who is infallible. 19 games into his pro career he's gonna have stinkers and dumb plays. We've all seen Manning, Brady, Rodgers, etc. make mistakes, I'm not gonna kill him for those until they become a pattern.

I wonder if in 4 weeks we will still be talking about him not being 'a threat to run'. He showed pretty good mobility and ability yesterday. He's not going to beat every defender to the corner, in the NFL nobody will, but he will beat most. If defenses keep playing man to man, he will be able to get those 20 yard chunks when he breaks contain. If that forces them into playing zone, all the better for our offense.

If you can't see progress in his game from week one to yesterday, you simply aren't watching.[/quote]

Sorry but what my eyes tell me isn't right. He got ran down from behind by a DE's a couple times, he threw behind guys, he threw high, low, and a terrible pick...then he makes some great throws, especially the one to Robinson. Like everyone else, he needs to play better, but he's getting too much blame, just like last year, he was getting too much credit.

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D played significantly better this week. If the offense had scored more than 1 TD, we would have won.

After the Oakland game, we'll be getting a fresh Jarviis Jenkins and Rob Jackson back...HUGE additions.

I thought Hall did a good job on Calvin Johnson, who only caught 7 of the 13 balls thrown his way. Amerson is improving a lot and had some nice pass breakups.

Safety is still a problem, but I prefer Josh Wilson back there to Biggers or Doughty. If Hall wasn't on CJ this week, we may have seen him at FS. That's something I'd love to see, he'd be a lock for a pick every game if his job is to attack the ball in the air rather than playing one-on-one.

The single play that killed us was Aldrick Robinson's near-TD. That would have locked up the game, despite it being only a 4-point lead. We lost all momentum on that one.

Griffin is improving every week. He had several nice runs and is getting down or out-of-bounds. He doesn't look like he wants to or CAN slide feet first though. That fumble would not have been a fumble by rule if he had done a proper feet-first slide.

However, despite a good game despite 2 miscues (fumble and the ugly INT), Griffin SHOULD NOT BE THROWING THE BALL 50 TIMES, especially in a close game that we were never out of! Maybe they're intentionally suppressing the run game plan to develop Griffin as a pocket passer while he shakes off the rust? It would benefit him and the team long-term, but short-term it will be tough for fans to watch.

I really believe we will see a lot more success on both sides of the ball after the bye week. Griffin will have 4 games in, our defense will get its reinforcements and hopefully the rookies Amerson and Rambo will be catching up to the speed of the pro game.

Griffin is improving every week. We need to ride this out. If we bench him, we'll do harm to the team and his relationship to it that we can never fix. He's our franchise and we need to allow him to get back to what we all know he can, and again will be.

He's physically fine. He has some issues with mechanics, timing and maybe even game speed. Remember, this is only his second-year. He's already done more in his short career than a lot of QBs drafted do in their entire career. If we had waited until Week 6 to bring him back, we'd probably have to suffer through the exact same transition back into the game, only lasting a month later into the season. It's best that we started him Week 1 and get the whole team in synch with him as early in the season as we can.

Besides, we're still not out of the race for our division. Dallas has 2 wins but they are Dallas. They'll collapse like they do every year. Philly has been figured out and Michael Vick is limping by the end of every game. He won't last much longer. The Giants are a bigger mess than us. We're 2 games back in a division that is still anybody's this year.

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[quote=Lotus;1028161]I completely agree. My remarks were directed at how one becomes a HC. Whether or not one then is successful as a HC is a different story.[/quote]

I see you're point. It's funny, but all the times a lot of us complained at how inept the offenses seemed to be under Gibbs 2.0, the defense was always solid and the 'skins always seemed to be in every game until the last little bit. You knew if the 'skins lost, it wasn't going to be an easy win for their opponents. Those opponents would limp out of the game showing a lot of respect for our scrappy teams. We would at least have some pride of knowing that the 'skins "fought their guts out". Right now, our opponents come out of these games laughing at the Redskins. Calvin Johnson: "like taking candy from a baby!" Just burns me up.

But, I guess we have to be realistic. The cap penalty has done it's job in hurting the progress of this team being rebuilt - namely the defense. At least the 'skins were able to bring in a good group of guys on offense before the penalty. But, we're seeing the result of the penalty on defense.

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[quote=skinsguy;1028176]But, I guess we have to be realistic. The cap penalty has done it's job in hurting the progress of this team being rebuilt - namely the defense. At least the 'skins were able to bring in a good group of guys on offense before the penalty. But, we're seeing the result of the penalty on defense.[/quote]

I thought last year, we had miraculously worked around it. A $36 million cap hit is massive and we've done much better than Mara probably had envisioned, but you know, look at our big holes right now...they WOULD have been addressed with that money. I do believe we're now seeing the impact of it.

Next year, we're going shopping big time and we're in great shape considering the penalty. Allen and Shanahan handled it the best they could have. They tried addressing the holes through the draft that we should have been signing the top FAs to. It's all they could do.

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RG3 is the 20th rated passer folks. 20th. But yet people spewing that garbage he is fine. 20th rated passer is not fine. Not at all. Dont bring that garbage again this week.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1028177]I thought last year, we had miraculously worked around it. A $36 million cap hit is massive and we've done much better than Mara probably had envisioned, but you know, look at our big holes right now...they WOULD have been addressed with that money. I do believe we're now seeing the impact of it.

Next year, we're going shopping big time and we're in great shape considering the penalty. Allen and Shanahan handled it the best they could have. They tried addressing the holes through the draft that we should have been signing the top FAs to. It's all they could do.[/quote]

I agree. I think the FO did the best they could to counter the $36 million. I think Mara is seeing what goes around comes around, and his team deserves what is being handed to them. I feel bad for Coach John Coughlin though. You know his thoughts were with his brother and not in the game. And I respect him a great deal, but the Giants are in horrible shape. As bad as 0-3 feels right now, and as bad as the defense has performed, I do find it very hard to believe that this team won't recover and be "in it" at least until the last part of the season. We still do have a lot to look forward to with this team, it's just pretty rough right now.

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[quote=Chico23231;1028178]RG3 is the 20th rated passer folks. 20th. But yet people spewing that garbage he is fine. 20th rated passer is not fine. Not at all. Dont bring that garbage again this week.[/quote]

Receivers dropping passes has a lot to do with that.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1028174]Sorry but what my eyes tell me isn't right. He got ran down from behind by a DE's a couple times, he threw behind guys, he threw high, low, and a terrible pick...then he makes some great throws, especially the one to Robinson. Like everyone else, he needs to play better, but he's getting too much blame, just like last year, he was getting too much credit.[/quote]

Not to go too much football nerd on you but football is a game of angles as much as it is about speed.. He wasn't out run to any corner, he wasn't able to get the angle. When he was caught from behind, again, if a DE is already running at a flat angle towards him and he's just getting started from a flat foot position, even at full health he's getting caught from behind. Nobody ran him down in the open field nor did they catch him from behind on his designed runs/boots. His accuracy was spotty, no doubt and he needs to improve on that and overall he needs to get better.

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[quote=skinsguy;1028180]Receivers dropping passes has a lot to do with that.[/quote]

excuse. tired of them, he has to play better

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Did Rambo even play yesterday? I never heard his name once. Also, as I was watching the game yesterday, I said to myself, we can make average players of other teams seem All-World. Not All-Pros, but All-World. They will have the best games of their careers against us. Our Offense made mistakes, but our Defense can not be trusted to stop anyone. We were totaly relying on Matt Stafford to make a bad throw in order for the Redskins Defense to get off the field on 3rd down. DeAngelo Hall made one play, but no one else did anything. Ryan Kerrigan is the only guy that can consistently tackle

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He's going to be fine. To expect him to start Week 1 and resume his 2012 form immediately would be crazy. My only wish for Week 1 was for his knee to hold out after some big hits.

He's the the main problem right now. His game is definitely not back to 100% yet but you can't put these losses on him alone.

Short memory, people...we went 3-6 last season and won the division. This season is shaping up to follow a similar route.

Who in this division is going to challenge us in December? We're improving little by little every week...Philly and the Giants are going in the opposite direction. NJ's offensive line is falling apart and they will not have any effective RBs in 2013. The Eagles and Spurriier 2.0 have been exposed and their offense can't outscore their own D's points allowed. Dallas still has Romo in December.

Yes, I'm disappointed, but I'm not worried. No cliff-jumping YET. :D

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[quote=scowan;1028183]Did Rambo even play yesterday? I never heard his name once. Also, as I was watching the game yesterday, I said to myself, we can make average players of other teams seem All-World. Not All-Pros, but All-World. They will have the best games of their careers against us. Our Offense made mistakes, but our Defense can not be trusted to stop anyone. We were totaly relying on Matt Stafford to make a bad throw in order for the Redskins Defense to get off the field on 3rd down. DeAngelo Hall made one play, but no one else did anything. Ryan Kerrigan is the only guy that can consistently tackle[/quote]

Hurt early. Looked minor like a cramp but he never came back. Josh Wilson took his place at FS.



Meriweather survived an entire game!



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Update, Rambo was suffering from PMS:

[url=http://news.fredericksburg.com/redskinsjournal/2013/09/22/injury-updates-jordan-reed-bruises-knee/]Injury Updates: Jordan Reed Bruises Knee | Redskins Journal[/url]

[quote]Bacarri Rambo left the game with what appeared to be a right leg injury but was later revealed to merely be cramping.[/quote]

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[quote=Chico23231;1028182]excuse. tired of them, he has to play better[/quote]

I tend to agree. At this point you got say Robert has been a disappointment so far this season. What double sucks is even if we shit the bed this year we don't get jack for it in the draft.


If OAK puts any fight up against the Bronco's tonight god help us next week. 0-4 going into the BYE week is just ugly.

It is all so unbelievable to me considering our preseason.

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That's not totally true, all our other picks are higher in each round also.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1028184]He's going to be fine. To expect him to start Week 1 and resume his 2012 form immediately would be crazy. My only wish for Week 1 was for his knee to hold out after some big hits.

He's the the main problem right now. His game is definitely not back to 100% yet but you can't put these losses on him alone.

Short memory, people...we went 3-6 last season and won the division. This season is shaping up to follow a similar route.

Who in this division is going to challenge us in December? We're improving little by little every week...Philly and the Giants are going in the opposite direction. NJ's offensive line is falling apart and they will not have any effective RBs in 2013. The Eagles and Spurriier 2.0 have been exposed and their offense can't outscore their own D's points allowed. Dallas still has Romo in December.

Yes, I'm disappointed, but I'm not worried. No cliff-jumping YET. :D[/quote]


If I recall correctly sans the 91 season Gibb's teams were always slow starting.

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[quote=Evilgrin;1028188]That's not totally true, all our other picks are higher in each round also.[/quote]

Take your glass half full thoughts and pour it out! =)

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What is the update on some of our injuries yesterday? Rambo was knocked out and Reed, do we have any idea how bad they are?

Amerson made some nice plays and is improving nicely. He could be a solid corner in the coming years.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1028192]What is the update on some of our injuries yesterday? Rambo was knocked out and Reed, do we have any idea how bad they are?

Amerson made some nice plays and is improving nicely. He could be a solid corner in the coming years.[/quote]

Read much? Look like 3 or 4 post up. Seriously.