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And it seems like i NEVER see rg3 adjusting plays/calling audibles/fixing protections.... it really seems like i never see it... alot of other teams you see it nearly 80% of snaps

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[quote=Meks;1033404]Some of the runs we call are so counter productive its not alf's fault at all IMO ... playcalling is killing our offense at critical times[/quote]

yeah, I like the Dallas game playcalling, but as we approached and got in the red zone seemed we got dumb with play calling and execution. Not totally on Kyle, but the Oline would cross the twenty and forgot how to block.

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[quote=Meks;1033406]And it seems like i NEVER see rg3 adjusting plays/calling audibles/fixing protections.... it really seems like i never see it... alot of other teams you see it nearly 80% of snaps[/quote]


good point I don't see many audibles from Griff either

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Maybe I'm watching the wrong games but I see Griff changing things at the LOS plenty.

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[quote=Mattyk;1033414]Maybe I'm watching the wrong games but I see [B]Griff changing things at the LOS plenty.[/B][/quote]
^^^^^^^^^

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I see him calling plays during the hurry up and I see him audible running plays every now and then. Nothing else though.

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maybe he's just not as noticeable as a manning lol

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[quote=Mattyk;1033414]Maybe I'm watching the wrong games but I see Griff changing things at the LOS plenty.[/quote]

true. Thats alot to be taking on his second year.

How do we feel about this, or how do we think Kyle feels about this?

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1032682]Wow, Shannahan is 8-4 in his last 12 games, including a division title, playoff berth and a 7 game winning streak. NFL levies huge fines against the team making them non players in Free Agency. Draft picks started on the third day of the draft. So the coach essentially had to go in to this season with the same personnel.

And why is everyone wanting to get rid of him? His legs were cut out from under him when the team got hit with those cap penalties.[/quote]

Scary that sandtrapjack has the besy post in this thread. :D

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1032682]Wow, Shannahan is 8-4 in his last 12 games, including a division title, playoff berth and a 7 game winning streak. NFL levies huge fines against the team making them non players in Free Agency. Draft picks started on the third day of the draft. So the coach essentially had to go in to this season with the same personnel.

And why is everyone wanting to get rid of him? His legs were cut out from under him when the team got hit with those cap penalties.[/quote]


good post but Mike is 22-31 in 4 seasons basically.. That's not very good

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1033446]good post but Mike is 22-31 in 4 seasons basically.. That's not very good[/quote]

While its not very good, did you honestly expect much the first two years? Year one, I knew we wouldnt win, the team was in horrible shape. Year two, I cant say I was expecting much with Rex/Beck. Was hoping we would, and my burgandy and gold glasses was telling me we would. But being realistic, we shouldnt have expected much early. Give him his 5 years, no extensions now or this offseason, make that 5th year count. We do get back cap space this coming year, and if he messes that up, then move on. The coaching carousel has been one of the things that killed this team for 20 years.

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[quote=Skinzman;1033456]While its not very good, did you honestly expect much the first two years? Year one, I knew we wouldnt win, the team was in horrible shape. Year two, I cant say I was expecting much with Rex/Beck. Was hoping we would, and my burgandy and gold glasses was telling me we would. But being realistic, we shouldnt have expected much early. Give him his 5 years, no extensions now or this offseason, make that 5th year count. We do get back cap space this coming year, and if he messes that up, then move on. The coaching carousel has been one of the things that killed this team for 20 years.[/quote]


well as i have said here I'm a fan of ms and was all in for him being our HC, But losing is losing and as of right now it appears as though we will have 3 losing seasons out of 4 with Mike. Joe came back and took a bad team to the playoffs 2 times in his 2nd stint. I'm js Mike really shouldn't get many passes for this record and if u remember right he was the one that put his eggs in the basket for Beck and Rex. I understand he had to say good things about those guys to the media but still

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1033457]well as i have said here I'm a fan of ms and was all in for him being our HC, But losing is losing and as of right now it appears as though we will have 3 losing seasons out of 4 with Mike. Joe came back and took a bad team to the playoffs 2 times in his 2nd stint. I'm js Mike really shouldn't get many passes for this record and if u remember right he was the one that put his eggs in the basket for Beck and Rex. I understand he had to say good things about those guys to the media but still[/quote]

Ok... so if he didnt go with Rex/Beck, then who? People act like Aaron Rodgers was available. The best FA that year was probably Hasselbeck.

The best would probably have been Dalton. And we still wouldnt have AJ Green, who has made Dalton look a lot better than he is. A lot of people wanted Gabbert, Im glad we went with Rex/Beck tbh. If we drafted him, we would just now be finding out that he is a bust (and wouldnt have Kerrigan). You are always going to give a 1st round QB at least three years to develop. Things would have been a lot worse for this franchise had that happened.

As for Joe Gibbs comparison, he went for the win now philosophy with free agents. Have we had the room to do that with the cap hit? Its apples and oranges for those comparisons, although I would take Joe Gibbs any day between the two. Not many are going to match Joe Gibbs, you are fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

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I get your argument and I'm not saying its all on Mike but if we only win 5 games this yr will u still want him next season?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1033460]I get your argument and I'm not saying its all on Mike but if we only win 5 games this yr will u still want him next season?[/quote]

I have said from the beginning and still say it now. Give him the full 5 years.

To say otherwise is saying that 18 mil per year in cap space means nothing. And thats just nonsense. Or its saying that the team has regressed since he got here, and that is also nonsense. The team was in terrible shape when he arrived. Has hasnt been right on all of his moves (McNabb and Leribeye to name two), but this franchise is better off now that it was when he took over. Better talent without being in cap purgatory. We can move on from most contracts now without being given a death penalty as far as the cap is concerned. We are looking at something like 30-35 mil in cap space heading into next year. When was the last time anyone said that in the last 20 years for this team?

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Been waiting a few days too post, really busy.

Aside from Griffin having a terrible game, really just a terrible game. He missed passes he made last year in his sleep.

The offensive line is fighting with the secondary to be the worst unit on the team. They grade out negative as a unit every game. Worried that the draft picks can't get into games, especially with how the line is playing now.

Worried players will stop following Shanahan if things don't turn fast.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1033457]well as i have said here I'm a fan of ms and was all in for him being our HC, But losing is losing and as of right now it appears as though we will have 3 losing seasons out of 4 with Mike. Joe came back and took a bad team to the playoffs 2 times in his 2nd stint. I'm js Mike really shouldn't get many passes for this record and if u remember right he was the one that [B]put his eggs in the basket for Beck and Rex. [/B]I understand he had to say good things about those guys to the media but still[/quote]

Personally I think he was just buying time with those QB's until he found his man. We could have signed an average QB for a few yrs or we could wait and try to fine our future not just another bandaid.

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[quote=Evilgrin;1033473]Been waiting a few days too post, really busy.

Aside from Griffin having a terrible game, really just a terrible game. He missed passes he made last year in his sleep.

The offensive line is fighting with the secondary to be the worst unit on the team. They grade out negative as a unit every game. Worried that the draft picks can't get into games, especially with how the line is playing now.

Worried players will stop following Shanahan if things don't turn fast.[/quote]

Honestly, the last 3 weeks the secondary has been pretty darn good. I mean certainly not the greatest group ever, but Dallas 165 yards, Raiders (with Matt Flynn I know) 194 yards, and while the Lions threw for 300 yards, I thought they played decently all things considered.

The offensive line hasn't had a good game yet, and I'm not holding my breath. The interior has just been getting killed.

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[quote=firstdown;1033475][B]Personally I think he was just buying time with those QB's until he found his man[/B]. We could have signed an average QB for a few yrs or we could wait and try to fine our future not just another bandaid.[/quote]

Preach Brother Man!

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[quote=firstdown;1033475]Personally I think he was just buying time with those QB's until he found his man. We could have signed an average QB for a few yrs or we could wait and try to fine our future not just another bandaid.[/quote]

well, yeah, he was trying to suck for Luck without saying it.

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1033419]maybe he's just not as noticeable as a manning lol[/QUOTE]

Lol Manning looks like he is dancing with the stars when he audibles.


Were living in yesterdays tomorrows.

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[quote=firstdown;1033475]Personally I think he was just buying time with those QB's until he found his man. We could have signed an average QB for a few yrs or we could wait and try to fine our future not just another bandaid.[/quote]

Plenty of QB's were available. Alex smith, russel Wilson, even Kirk. How are we supposed to expect another team to value Kirk and trade us for him, if we don't even see the value in him to play him more than 2 weeks after a knee injury to Rob or 8 months after surgery?
Shanny is a damn fool with QB's. McNabb, Rex, Beck, all in for RG3 only to give it to his son like a ferrari to a boy w/ only his learners permit, hording Kirk when we could have drafted a OT, kept Rex for his knowledge, play a < 100 RG, kept Kirk benched, retain rex b/c he is so valuable on sidelines, my god Pat White made the 53. Wtf is going on?
Why do we love Robert so much even with a brace on, to not play Kirk, and since we have Kirk wtf do we have Rex?
And who the F is going to refund me for my McNab jersey?!!!!

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^^^^
It's been a fubar mess. Even when we had a good thing in RG it got all f'd with the injury controversy last year. I have lifelong football friends who only remember that one thing about the redskins from last season. It wasn't pretty.

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fubar mess, good way to describe this thread.

On to next week.