Re: Do You Unequivocally Believe RG3 Is Our Franchise QB?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1044075]It's too early. But Vince Yong won ROY too. lol.....I'm just sayin'[/quote]

It's reasonable to have some concerns about his long term potential. It's unreasonable to interpret that as "giving up on him".

Do You Unequivocally Believe RG3 Is Our Franchise QB?
 

[QUOTE=44Deezel;1044289]It's reasonable to have some concerns about his long term potential. It's unreasonable to interpret that as "giving up on him".[/QUOTE]

Very well said.....
Needed to be said.....

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I have no doubt that with the right grooming Griffin could be one of the best QBs in the league.

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;1044028]Second year player coming off major injury. Team overall needs a lot of help. Too early to pull the plug on RG3. Funny how last year he was the franchise savior [B]now this year people are ready to throw him out of town.[/B][/quote]

Those same people would be crying bloody murder if we hadn't made the trade to draft him. They would be remembering last year and all the potential they saw in RG3 and they would be making more negative noise then they are now. If he would have had a difficult 2nd year on whatever other team drafted him, they would attribute it to being on a bad team, or normal sophomore struggles, or missing an all-important offseason, or some other legitimate reason. But no, since he's on our team, he's immediately a bust and not worth the price.

I agree with 30gut. With good coaching and more experience, he will be an elite quarterback.

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Originally Posted by DynamiteRave View Post
[B]Yes[/B]
^^^^^^^^^^

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Yes. I mean it's not like he's Heath Shuler.

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Is putting Cousins in going to make our special teams better, or our defense? IF so.. Than i'm all for it.

Teams don't even kick the ball out of the endzone now because they KNOW we can't run it back past the 20.

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Maybe Cousins can play.....interior line?

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[quote=Hog1;1044473]Maybe Cousins can play.....interior line?[/quote]

Cousins is codename for Baugh. Just play him in any position.

[QUOTE=Bucket;1044471]Is putting Cousins in going to make our special teams better, or our defense? IF so.. Than i'm all for it.

Teams don't even kick the ball out of the endzone now because they KNOW we can't run it back past the 20.[/QUOTE]

Hey now my guy Niles Paul will show u wrong, he's a te returning kicks , it's a master disguise by MS

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Jay Schroeder
Ed Rubbert
Doug Williams
Mark Rypien
Stan Humphries
Jeff Rutledge
Rich Gannon
Cary Conklin
Heath Shuler
John Friesz
Gus Frerotte
Jeff Hostetler
Trent Green
Brad Johnson
Jeff George
Tony Banks
Shane Matthews
Patrick Ramsey
Danny Wuerffel
Tim Hasselbeck
Mark Brunell
Jason Campbell
Todd Collins
Donovan McNabb
Rex Grossman
John Beck
Kirk Cousins
Robert Griffin III

I've had the (dis)pleasure of watching all these fine specimens play QB for the Washington Redskins. There is only one elite QB on this entire list... and his name is RG3. And it's not even close.

Is RG a sure thing? Of course not. But how 'bout we give the kid some time to heal and learn? He's 23 years old for christ sake.

We've waited 27 years for this kid. Patience gentlemen...patience.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;1044524]Jay Schroeder
Ed Rubbert
Doug Williams
Mark Rypien
Stan Humphries
Jeff Rutledge
Rich Gannon
Cary Conklin
Heath Shuler
John Friesz
Gus Frerotte
Jeff Hostetler
Trent Green
Brad Johnson
Jeff George
Tony Banks
Shane Matthews
Patrick Ramsey
Danny Wuerffel
Tim Hasselbeck
Mark Brunell
Jason Campbell
Todd Collins
Donovan McNabb
Rex Grossman
John Beck
Kirk Cousins
Robert Griffin III

I've had the (dis)pleasure of watching all these fine specimens play QB for the Washington Redskins. There is only one elite QB on this entire list... and his name is RG3. And it's not even close.

Is RG a sure thing? Of course not. But how 'bout we give the kid some time to heal and learn? He's 23 years old for christ sake.

We've waited 27 years for this kid. Patience gentlemen...patience.[/quote]

Well said and rightfully so. To be a straight up bust at RG's talent level, laziness and lack of character has to be part of the equation. There's nothing about RG that indicates either. He needs pass protection, another downfield target or two and pro level coaching on the sidelines.

Snyder and BA need to get their butts in gear tho. Time's a wastin

[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck;1044524]Jay Schroeder
Ed Rubbert
Doug Williams
Mark Rypien
Stan Humphries
Jeff Rutledge
Rich Gannon
Cary Conklin
Heath Shuler
John Friesz
Gus Frerotte
Jeff Hostetler
Trent Green
Brad Johnson
Jeff George
Tony Banks
Shane Matthews
Patrick Ramsey
Danny Wuerffel
Tim Hasselbeck
Mark Brunell
Jason Campbell
Todd Collins
Donovan McNabb
Rex Grossman
John Beck
Kirk Cousins
Robert Griffin III

I've had the (dis)pleasure of watching all these fine specimens play QB for the Washington Redskins. There is only one elite QB on this entire list... and his name is RG3. And it's not even close.

Is RG a sure thing? Of course not. But how 'bout we give the kid some time to heal and learn? He's 23 years old for christ sake.

We've waited 27 years for this kid. Patience gentlemen...patience.[/QUOTE]

McNabb, Brunell, Green, and Gannon had really good careers. The Redskins just gave up on em too early or bought em in too late. That could be said for several current and former NFL players though. Groovy. :(

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Matt McGloin can read NFL defenses. Lol

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[quote=redskins5044;1044531]Matt McGloin can read NFL defenses. Lol[/quote]

He's making plays with Defensive linemen in his face and his receivers have no "separation". Blaming poor play on pass protection and receivers not getting open is a joke.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;1044524]Jay Schroeder
Ed Rubbert
Doug Williams
Mark Rypien
Stan Humphries
Jeff Rutledge
Rich Gannon
Cary Conklin
Heath Shuler
John Friesz
Gus Frerotte
Jeff Hostetler
Trent Green
Brad Johnson
Jeff George
Tony Banks
Shane Matthews
Patrick Ramsey
Danny Wuerffel
Tim Hasselbeck
Mark Brunell
Jason Campbell
Todd Collins
Donovan McNabb
Rex Grossman
John Beck
Kirk Cousins
Robert Griffin III

I've had the (dis)pleasure of watching all these fine specimens play QB for the Washington Redskins. There is only one elite QB on this entire list... and his name is RG3. And it's not even close.

Is RG a sure thing? Of course not. But how 'bout we give the kid some time to heal and learn? He's 23 years old for christ sake.

We've waited 27 years for this kid. Patience gentlemen...patience.[/quote]

I haven't seen any posts in this thread where people are saying that RG3 can't turn into that guy. We're being asked if we think he is a certain franchise QB. He's not a franchise QB right now, but this thread seems to lean towards people thinking he can get there. That's showing patience, in my opinion. He has a lot to prove, but he also has years to prove it.

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Since the smoke is beginning to clear in RG3 media mutilation, I declare that ultimately RG3 has won this battle.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;1044524]Jay Schroeder
Ed Rubbert
Doug Williams
Mark Rypien
Stan Humphries
Jeff Rutledge
Rich Gannon
Cary Conklin
Heath Shuler
John Friesz
Gus Frerotte
Jeff Hostetler
Trent Green
Brad Johnson
Jeff George
Tony Banks
Shane Matthews
Patrick Ramsey
Danny Wuerffel
Tim Hasselbeck
Mark Brunell
Jason Campbell
Todd Collins
Donovan McNabb
Rex Grossman
John Beck
Kirk Cousins
Robert Griffin III

I've had the (dis)pleasure of watching all these fine specimens play QB for the Washington Redskins. There is only one elite QB on this entire list... and his name is RG3. And it's not even close.

Is RG a sure thing? Of course not. But how 'bout we give the kid some time to heal and learn? He's 23 years old for christ sake.

We've waited 27 years for this kid. Patience gentlemen...patience.[/quote]

I believe RG3 is definitely the franchise QB going forward, but it's way, way too early to declare him elite, especially after this shitshow of a season.

By year 4, there should be a clearer picture as to whether or not the he has future HOF potential.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1044590]I believe RG3 is definitely the franchise QB going forward, but it's way, way too early to declare him elite, especially after this shitshow of a season.

By year 4, there should be a clearer picture as to whether or not the he has future HOF potential.[/quote]

Yes that is fair. I should have phrased it differently - "elite potential". Obviously he has not yet reached elite status on the field.

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[quote=SirLK26;1044464]Those same people would be crying bloody murder if we hadn't made the trade to draft him. They would be remembering last year and all the potential they saw in RG3 and they would be making more negative noise then they are now. If he would have had a difficult 2nd year on whatever other team drafted him, they would attribute it to being on a bad team, or normal sophomore struggles, or missing an all-important offseason, or some other legitimate reason. But no, since he's on our team, he's immediately a bust and not worth the price.

I agree with 30gut. With good coaching and more experience, he will be an elite quarterback.[/quote]
Great point.

If we hadn't have made the trade right now we'd likely be the Cleveland Browns. We would have 3 other players and still likely be looking for our long term solution at QB.

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[quote=Paintrain;1044604]Great point.

If we hadn't have made the trade right now we'd likely be the Cleveland Browns. We would have 3 other players and still likely be looking for our long term solution at QB.[/quote]

The same Cleveland Browns that have one more win than us?

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[quote=Daseal;1044611]The same Cleveland Browns that have one more win than us?[/quote]

And also not going to the playoffs, still with no long term QB solution.

[QUOTE=Paintrain;1044613]And also not going to the playoffs, still with no long term QB solution.[/QUOTE]

And a good D and a good coach and draft picks. They would beat us if we played em next week. Thats a travesty after what KC and the boys did to them last year. If they played in the nfc east they very well might be going. Hoyer was kicking butt before he went on IR. lol

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Yes!

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[quote=punch it in;1044628]And a good D and a good coach and draft picks. They would beat us if we played em next week. Thats a travesty after what KC and the boys did to them last year. If they played in the nfc east they very well might be going. Hoyer was kicking butt before he went on IR. lol[/quote]

And who lost to the Jags. I'll take our future over the Browns future all day, every day.

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I hope he is one thing about him the kid can take a hit

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[quote=Paintrain;1044747]And who lost to the Jags. I'll take our future over the Browns future all day, every day.[/quote]

Agreed. Who can seriously think they can compete without an elite qb in AFDC north or any division for that matter.

Browns r always the browns, I'd.take the skins over them any year every yr

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We have a
2 Starting Caliber QBs
Starting Caliber RB in Alfred Morris and a good number two in Helu
Starting Caliber WR in Garcon
Starting Caliber TE- Reed
Starting LT

The whole defense and the line needs to be rebuilt. RG3 is not the problem

[QUOTE=diehardskin2982;1044773]We have a
2 Starting Caliber QBs
Starting Caliber RB in Alfred Morris and a good number two in Helu
Starting Caliber WR in Garcon
Starting Caliber TE- Reed
Starting LT

The whole defense and the line needs to be rebuilt. RG3 is not the problem[/QUOTE]

I completely agree!

The Defense, the O-Line and the Special Team are the problem!

[QUOTE=diehardskin2982;1044773]We have a
2 Starting Caliber QBs
Starting Caliber RB in Alfred Morris and a good number two in Helu
Starting Caliber WR in Garcon
Starting Caliber TE- Reed
Starting LT

The whole defense and the line needs to be rebuilt. RG3 is not the problem[/QUOTE]

U can't count reed because he's always hurt

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[quote=kct1975;1044778]I completely agree!

The Defense, the O-Line and the Special Team are the problem![/quote]

And the lack of receivers on offense outside of Garcon. Could use a tight end that can stay on the field as well

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Pre-injury, unequivocally yes. Post injury hard to say, I don't think he has the speed that he had last year, and it is obvious that he cannot just blow past defenders running anymore. If the lose of speed is temporary then he is probably the most dynamic player in football, just like his rookie season. I think he has the talent and potential to be one of the best Redskins QBs of all time, but it is still early. Hopefully, the Shananingans crew has not permanently ruined his leg/knee/speed and he can get back to where he was physically. Ultimately he'll have to improve as a 'pocket passer' to be 'The Guy'.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1044787]U can't count reed because he's always hurt[/quote]

He's only missed 2 games, one was this one and one was when he had the quad injury against Oakland. I think he plays through injuries pretty well. I think he shows up on the injury list often, but usually they seem to be ones he can play through. Reminds me of Gronk; always questionable, but always ends up playing.

Plus its a concussion, the NFL won't let you play through that if you don't pass the tests for liability reasons.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1045538]He's only missed 2 games, one was this one and one was when he had the quad injury against Oakland. I think he plays through injuries pretty well. I think he shows up on the injury list often, but usually they seem to be ones he can play through. Reminds me of Gronk; always questionable, but always ends up playing.

Plus its a [B]concussion, the NFL won't let you play through that[/B] if you don't pass the tests for liability reasons.[/quote]

^^^^^^^^^

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[quote=donofriose;1044790]And the lack of receivers on offense outside of Garcon. Could use a tight end that can stay on the field as well[/quote]

If only we had Seattle's Receivers. Doug Baldwin, Jermaine Kearse, whoever their Tight End is... all first ballot hall of famers. No fair that Russell Wilson has so much to work with. The sick WR talent makes all his passes look like they're thrown accurately and on time. It's almost as if he can anticipate what the Defense is going to do before the ball is snapped. Amazing what superior weapons can do for a young QB.

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[quote=44Deezel;1045577]If only we had Seattle's Receivers. Doug Baldwin, Jermaine Kearse, whoever their Tight End is... all first ballot hall of famers. No fair that Russell Wilson has so much to work with. The sick WR talent makes all his passes look like they're thrown accurately and on time. It's almost as if he can anticipate what the Defense is going to do before the ball is snapped. Amazing what superior weapons can do for a young QB.[/quote]

Well Luckily for Wilson his offensive line can actually pass block.
And even when Wilson has a bad day and his offensive only puts up 14 points the Seahawks find a way to win. Maybe its because they actually have a defense. Imagine a day when the Redskins can win a game only scoring 14 points.

Irrelevant though because I actually think Wilson is the best young QB in the league. Foles is catching up though.

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[quote=Paintrain;1044747]And who lost to the Jags. I'll take our future over the Browns future all day, every day.[/quote]

If we played Jacksonville there's a 50/50 chance we beat them. We lost to Christian Ponder.

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[quote=donofriose;1045581]Well Luckily for Wilson his offensive line can actually pass block.
And even when Wilson has a bad day and his offensive only puts up 14 points the Seahawks find a way to win. Maybe its because they actually have a defense. Imagine a day when the Redskins can win a game only scoring 14 points.

Irrelevant though because I actually think Wilson is the best young QB in the league. Foles is catching up though.[/quote]

Foles lol.....let the guy play a full year before you put him right behind Wilson. What if has a horrible year next year? Wilson and Luck are both up looking like the best young QB's.

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[quote=redskins5044;1045604]Foles lol.....let the guy play a full year before you put him right behind Wilson. What if has a horrible year next year? Wilson and Luck are both up looking like the best young QB's.[/quote]

Right now foles is playing better than luck. He has more touchdown passes and less interceptions.

Luck has been pretty bad the past couple of games and the colts have been getting blown out besides yesterday's game against the titans in which luck looked like an average QB, which is better than what he looked like previously. Right now foles is playing at a higher level than luck.