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Shanahan and Kubiak both suck right now. I really hope the Skins do not get Gruden.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1045511][B][I]Houston under Kubiak:[/I][/B]
2012: 12-4*
2011: 10-6*
2010: 6-10
2009: 9-7
2008: 8-8
2007: 8-8
2006: 6-10

Definition of "pretty awesome reg. season team" -- 52% Winning percentage (59-53) and two play-off appearances.

... [B]Goat's use of hyperbole and selective memory?[/B]

Awesome![/quote]

Cmon Man!
You get kicked in the nuts...Every day and see if it doesn't F your memory up.......

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I voted Art Briles, but after more thought I think Darrell Bevell would be a better candidate. Hopefully the Skins get lucky for once and find the next guy to be like Joe Gibbs 1.0 and bring 3 more Lombardi trophies to DC.

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Ed Orgeron

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;1045537]Ed Orgeron[/quote]

You mean the guy who resigned after the USC AD passed him over for the HC job? Not to mention he was going to make him the highest paid assistant in the nation.

He's not going to be getting any HC jobs in the NFL at this point in time.

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Darrell Bevell is looking better and Better especially if Shaw decides to stay at Stanford. The true test is next week here in SF when Seattle plays the Niners.

[QUOTE=diehardskin2982;1045467]Starting over is hard to do. We have to buck the trend and stand behind our coaching staff through the fire. Maybe Shanny is not the answer... if he isn't the Redskins need to bring someone in young enough to stick around and grow for the long run. Don't make decision based off fan and media opinions.[/QUOTE]

This.


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If we had to make a move from Shanny my top 5 would be

1. David Shaw
2. Bill O'Brien
3. Hue Jackson
4. Art Briles
5. Jay Gruden

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1045555]If we had to make a move from Shanny my top 5 would be

1. David Shaw
2. Bill O'Brien
3. Hue Jackson
4. Art Briles
5. Jay Gruden[/quote]

I never thought about Bill O'Brien, I like that choice, I'd put him above Shaw. Something about Shaw's personality doesn't come off as NFL coach to me (just my perspective).

Mike Tomlin would be my ideal choice if at all possible, but that's a loooooonnnngg shot he leaves Pittsburgh, let alone comes here.

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Bill O'Brien sure wouldn't be afraid of getting in the face of the franchise QB, no matter how popular he may be. I would love that attitude. But it always is risky going after coordinators of Bill.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1045540]You mean the guy who resigned after the USC AD passed him over for the HC job? Not to mention he was going to make him the highest paid assistant in the nation.

He's not going to be getting any HC jobs in the NFL at this point in time.[/QUOTE]

Dude did a hell of a job when he took over. Made em respectable again. He isnt gonna just get stripped of the hc duties and smile and say thanks boss that was fun.....he deserved a chance. Kept recruiting big time even when he knew he was going to be replaced. He showed he is HC material, so again good for him.
Good for him. He has balls.

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[quote=punch it in;1045564]Dude did a hell of a job when he took over. Made em respectable again. He isnt gonna just get stripped of the hc duties and smile and say thanks boss that was fun.....he deserved a chance. Kept recruiting big time even when he knew he was going to be replaced. He showed he is HC material, so again good for him.
Good for him. He has balls.[/quote]

I would like to see him win at the college level as a full time head coach before the Redskins offer him the franchise.

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I still want Shaw but he prob won't come so I'd go gruden after

[QUOTE=diehardskin2982;1045467]Starting over is hard to do. We have to buck the trend and stand behind our coaching staff through the fire. Maybe Shanny is not the answer... if he isn't the Redskins need to bring someone in young enough to stick around and grow for the long run. Don't make decision based off fan and media opinions.[/QUOTE]
Shanny has been in the fire long enough. That is why he is so red. Last time they bucked the trend and didnt listen to anyone they bought in Zorn. Lol. I truely think the next guy they bring in will be the answer to alot of problems. They know now that it has to be not only well thought out (unlike Zorn), but also that it is not as easy as ...,well that guy was good once (shanny). I cannot wait to meet the new boss .....whom i hope is not the same as the old boss.

[QUOTE=donofriose;1045567]I would like to see him win at the college level as a full time head coach before the Redskins offer him the franchise.[/QUOTE]

I agree, im just pointing out that I dont think it should be held against him that he didnt bend over for USC.
I think he will make a hell of a coach somewhere in college before or if he ever decided to give the NFL a shot.

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Now why would Shanahan not play his young players? Because he's desperate to keep his job?
[url=http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/12/02/shanahan-not-willing-to-play-young-players-for-the-sake-of-evaluation/]Shanahan not willing to play young players for the sake of evaluation - The Washington Post[/url]

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Well, obviously.

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[quote=donofriose;1045631]The reason the salary cap issue isn't a big issue to me like it is for some is because he still got to go after players he wanted.

He signed Garcon, Morgan, Polumbus, Chester, Cofield, Bowen, Griffin, Meriweather, Jackson, M. Williams, traded for Brown, McNabb, and Hightower.

Those are the moves that stand out. That means to me he had plenty of money and opportunities to get free agents and change the roster. The roster looks very different than 4 years ago, just like Carroll's roster in Seattle. He was also able to sign depth which is actually the most important aspect of free agency to me.

Now if he had to stay with the same roster I would understand your point, but the fact that he was able to completely change it and do basically what he wanted and he still isn't providing results... I can't just say well the salary cap... Plus I'm sick of Redskins coaches coming in and spending money on free agents. Half those guys listed ended up being overpaid. The only true difference makers in free agency are quarterbacks, and if he had gotten Manning we would be having a different discussion. But lets stop acting like the salary cap is the reason Carroll succeeded and Shanahan did not. Both their rosters look completely different...one is just a super bowl favorite, the other is in contention for the first overall pick that the Rams will love.[/quote]

Who on that list is overpaid? Cofield? Bowen? Garcon? Beyond those three the rest of the contracts we gave out where basically peanuts in terms of size. I think all three have played well. (especially garcon/cofield) Bottom line is, they don't have a defensive coordinator worth a shit. Yes, I realize this is on Mike, and I've stated as much. In fact, I think you need to review my posts in regards to Mike, and they'd silence you for the most part. Why? Because most of the points are exactly what you are saying. That doesn't make Mike a bad coach, it makes him a bad GM. I think Carroll has struck gold in the draft 2010 and 2011 on the defensive side of the ball. Notice none of his offensive picks have really done much of anything beyond Wilson. A good defense can carry you a long ways in this league.

Mike's unwillingness and stubbornness in changing coordinators will ultimately be his downfall. (this includes his son)


[quote=donofriose;1045632]Part of being a good head coach is being able to put a staff together in my opinion. Run blocking the Skins are good, but Shanahan's system always has good run blocking, that is one positive I can always say about Mike. I watch the games and I do not believe the offensive line holds well at all in terms of pass protection.

I personally think it is hard for anyone to distinguish if a coach is being successful, or if its due to his staff. You could say that about almost any coach in the NFL, besides maybe Bill. They did just lose Bradley but their defense honestly looks even better.[/quote]

No, they (OL) don't hold up when he has to drop back for any kind of duration. It's not all on the OL either, it's a indecisive QB who's learning his position as well. I think it's more on Kyle than Mike at this point, which is exactly why I want him to move on. He's not trying to use RGIII to his strengths, but rather force him into his offense

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[quote=donofriose;1045563]Bill O'Brien sure wouldn't be afraid of getting in the face of the franchise QB, no matter how popular he may be. I would love that attitude. But it always is risky going after coordinators of Bill.[/quote]

I think O'Brien would be a great fit here as well. Would love to see that hire.

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keep both shanahans, for that would be the best thing for our young QB. haslet, and burns both must go. whatever they are doing obviously doesn't work

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and with that^^^^ being said, i would grab rex ryan in a heartbeat, if available

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After seeing the Seattle last night, maybe Darrell Bevell is the best option.

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[quote=dmek25;1045707]and with that^^^^ being said, i would grab rex ryan in a heartbeat, if available[/quote]

Yes! It will be extremely perplexing to me if Jim Haslett is not replaced next year.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1045700]Who on that list is overpaid? Cofield? Bowen? Garcon? Beyond those three the rest of the contracts we gave out where basically peanuts in terms of size. I think all three have played well. (especially garcon/cofield) Bottom line is, they don't have a defensive coordinator worth a shit. Yes, I realize this is on Mike, and I've stated as much. In fact, I think you need to review my posts in regards to Mike, and they'd silence you for the most part. Why? Because most of the points are exactly what you are saying. That doesn't make Mike a bad coach, it makes him a bad GM. I think Carroll has struck gold in the draft 2010 and 2011 on the defensive side of the ball. Notice none of his offensive picks have really done much of anything beyond Wilson. A good defense can carry you a long ways in this league.

Mike's unwillingness and stubbornness in changing coordinators will ultimately be his downfall. (this includes his son)




No, they (OL) don't hold up when he has to drop back for any kind of duration. It's not all on the OL either, it's a indecisive QB who's learning his position as well. I think it's more on Kyle than Mike at this point, which is exactly why I want him to move on. He's not trying to use RGIII to his strengths, but rather force him into his offense[/quote]

I am putting out those players because I am making the point that he was still able to completely change the roster. Your version of overpaid and my version might be different but the point is he was still able to go after players.
From what I am reading it seems you are pinning the failure of Shanahan on his coordinators and his refusal to remove them. That is a hard distinction to make. If all three phases of a team is bad, how is the head coach not responsible? I could understand if the defense was bad but the offense was great... that is not the case. What does a head coach do if he is not responsible for any phase of the team? If the coordinators have that much control than Shanahan isn't the head coach, he just has the label.

Okung is rated by some as being as good as Trent Williams, he has been injured this year but he is a top 10 tackle in the NFL. Doug Baldwin was undrafted but he is one of the best number 2 receivers in the NFL. It is hard to compare the Skins and Seahawks because the Seahawks really only draft defensive players. Drafting isn't just luck, there is a reason great teams draft well, because they know what they want and they actually develop their players. Development is one of the most essential aspects in drafting. Again there is a reason that great teams seem to always steal players in the draft. Its not just that they strike gold.

Shanahan has drafted and developed two good offensive players, Morris and Williams, if he is an offensive genius, that is pathetic.

I agree that RG3 has been holding on to the ball too long and receivers aren't getting open, but like you said, that is on the Offensive staff (including Mike) for not developing RG3 and the offensive players.

I am not saying Carroll is the best coach in the NFL, nor is his legacy better than Shanahans... but if you compare the two when they took over their teams, Carroll has been the better coach in almost every aspect of coaching.

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Am I a bad fan for hoping that my Skins lose out?

I'm so done with Mike Shanahan that I want these last games to be so horrible that there will be no chance that Dan Snyder would consider keeping him.

I [B]DO NOT [/B]want Shanahan to direct the Redksins' efforts in Free Agency and the NFL Draft only to not have his contract renewed after next season.

I also want to put an end to the opportunities to cripple RGIII that Shanahan keeps giving his misguided son by letting him run 1950's Bud Wilkinson Oklahoma Triple Option plays.

I want Jon Gruden because I'm comfortable with the idea of his being able to be seamlessly integrated into a team of Bruce Allen, Morocco Brown, and Jon Gruden. I think that could help minimize start-up time on the rebuild.

I like Guden's previous experience as an NFL HC, his high energy level, his intensity, his style of offense, his in-game coaching ability, and I think he would do a better job of developing RGIII and Kirk Cousins.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1045714]Am I a bad fan for hoping that my Skins lose out?

I'm so done with Mike Shanahan that I want these last games to be so horrible that there will be no chance that Dan Snyder would consider keeping him.

I want Jon Gruden because I'm comfortable with the idea of his being able to be seamlessly integrated into a team of Bruce Allen, Morocco Brown, and Jon Gruden.

I like Guden's style of offense, his in-game coaching ability, and I think he would do a better job of developing RGIII and Kirk Cousins.[/quote]


I agree about Gruden, I just want to beat DAL and NYG once

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1045714]Am I a bad fan for hoping that my Skins lose out?

I'm so done with Mike Shanahan that I want these last games to be so horrible that there will be no chance that Dan Snyder would consider keeping him.

I want Jon Gruden because I'm comfortable with the idea of his being able to be seamlessly integrated into a team of Bruce Allen, Morocco Brown, and Jon Gruden.

[B]I like Guden's style of offense, his in-game coaching ability, and I think he would do a better job of developing RGIII and Kirk Cousins.[/B][/quote]

Who has he developed before? I am not really sold on Gruden for the Redskins. I could care less if the coach likes RG3 but I don't think Gruden is the guy to turn this team around.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1045714][B]Am I a bad fan for hoping that my Skins lose out?[/B]I'm so done with Mike Shanahan that I want these last games to be so horrible that there will be no chance that Dan Snyder would consider keeping him.

I want Jon Gruden because I'm comfortable with the idea of his being able to be seamlessly integrated into a team of Bruce Allen, Morocco Brown, and Jon Gruden.

I like Guden's style of offense, his in-game coaching ability, and I think he would do a better job of developing RGIII and Kirk Cousins.[/quote]

You need to talk to Herm Edwards

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[quote=skinsguy;1045711]Yes! It will be extremely perplexing to me if Jim Haslett is not replaced next year.[/quote]

I think at a minimum, this is a virtual guarantee.

If I look into my cloudy crystal ball, I see Snyder telling Shanahan that he won't fire him but he also won't give him an extension. Snyder will ask for Haslett and Burns to be replaced and for Mike to take over offensive play calling duties himself. Shanahan will resist but won't resign immediately. After a couple of days, they will negotiate a buyout of the final year of the contract and 'mutually part ways'.

Just listening to Schefter lately, who has stayed a Shanny confidant, he has said that 'both sides' need to evaluate what they want to do which is an indication to me that Shanahan isn't 100% committed to the Redskins going forward no matter what.

Around the league there don't appear to be too many coaches in trouble (Washington, Houston, Jets, Vikings, maybe Bucs) so it will be interesting to see the names that are bandied about among those openings. I'm of the opinion that Gruden, Dungy and Cowher are all off of the table for any opening.

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I don't see Shanahan resisting a new DC, since it wasn't his hire in the first place.

In the end I think the relationship with RG3 and MS is just too fractured to continue.

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[quote=donofriose;1045716]Who has he developed before? I am not really sold on Gruden for the Redskins. I could care less if the coach likes RG3 but I don't think Gruden is the guy to turn this team around.[/quote]

I agree 100%. I don't get the infatuation with Gruden, he was barely a .500 coach with the Bucs (57-55) and a .540 coach overall. He never developed a QB in Tampa, only won with Dungy's players and its not like he was a beloved coach. The product never lived up to the production. He's a great quote and funny when mic'd up on the sideline but bottom line, his teams are nothing special.

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[quote=Mattyk;1045720]I don't see Shanahan resisting a new DC, since it wasn't his hire in the first place.

In the end I think the relationship with RG3 and MS is just too fractured to continue.[/quote]

Wait what? Mike wasn't responsible for hiring Haslett?


If the relationship between him and Robert is as you say, then yes there is nothing more to discuss in terms of whether he stays or goes.


Cant' stand Mike Wise, but this is a pretty good article that HTTR/LL linked.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/mike-shanahan-tried-to-stick-with-robert-griffin-iii-and-might-have-lost-him-instead/2013/12/02/656d75bc-5ba6-11e3-a66d-156b463c78aa_story.html]Mike Shanahan tried to stick with Robert Griffin III, and might have lost him instead - The Washington Post[/url]

Funny how the one act that Shanny thought would bring him closer to his QB may very well be the one that pushed him away. I just for the life of me can't understand why he didn't pull him. Like I said, Mike has lost his balls.

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[quote=Chico23231;1045718]You need to talk to Herm Edwards[/quote]

Yeah, I know. That's why I feel guilty about wanting Shanahan out so badly that I'm willing to endure a season-ending losing streak to ensure that he is replaced.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1045722][B]Wait what? Mike wasn't responsible for hiring Haslett?[/B][/quote]

SS has hinted at this for a while now.

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[quote=Mattyk;1045724]SS has hinted at this for a while now.[/quote]

Da fuq??? Whoever is responsible for this shit should be tarred and feathered while being ran out of DC on a unicycle.

Most of missed those tweets. I know Haz wasn't his first choice, but didn't know he wasn't responsible for hiring Haz.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1045727]Da fuq??? Whoever is responsible for this shit should be tarred and feathered while being ran out of DC on a unicycle.

Most of missed those tweets. I know Haz wasn't his first choice, but didn't know he wasn't responsible for hiring Haz.[/quote]

Dan Snyder must have consulted with Vinny Cerrato on that hire.

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I thought I heard that Haslet wasn't even Shanahans 1,2,3 choice? Ended up with him.. I think it was HTTR that said it. Don't quote me though.

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[quote=Mattyk;1045724]SS has hinted at this for a while now.[/quote]

Hmm, thought they were in contact a lot while Shanny was out of the game in '09 and discussed 3-4, etc. Only other defensive name I heard was Slowick.

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On the Haslett/Shanny issue. In Denver, in his last years, Shanny was going through DC's like toilet paper at an enema convention and stinking it up just as bad. I wouldn't be surprised if a condition of the hire was accepting a pre-chosen DC.

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To clarify, what I said was Haslett was not Shanny's first or second choice. But it was a Shanahan decision. What I said about Snyder was that most people don't know in the summer of 99, he tried to hire Haslett away from the Steelers to be our HC. Cowher was livid that Snyder would try such a thing right as training camp is about to start that he got the league to deny Snyder's request to even interview Haslett. So with that background, I simply wonder what-if any-influence Snyder has on JH staying