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Love this: "Browns vs. Redskins highlights" on NFL.com shows not a single redskins offensive snap.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2014081800/2014/PRE2/browns@redskins#tab=recap&menu=gameinfo%7CcontentId%3A0ap3000000379824]Watch Cleveland Browns vs. Washington Redskins [08/18/2014] - NFL.com[/url]

Ridiculous.

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[quote=mredskins;1078026]This is a good wrap up of Griffins night.

[URL="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2167547-bad-habits-still-hurting-rgiii-as-redskins-struggle-to-excel-in-new-offense"]Bad Habits Still Hurting RGIII as Redskins Struggle to Excel in New Offense | Bleacher Report[/URL]


BR nicked picked the Roberts throw. Looking at I don't know where else he good have placed it.[/quote]

Seriously do those guys have an ax to grind against RG3? He made his share of mistakes out there but the bomb was perfect. He looked right the entire time to keep the safety honest and threw it back left, dropped it right in there.

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[quote=takethecake;1078042]Love this: "Browns vs. Redskins highlights" on NFL.com shows not a single redskins offensive snap.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2014081800/2014/PRE2/browns@redskins#tab=recap&menu=gameinfo%7CcontentId%3A0ap3000000379824]Watch Cleveland Browns vs. Washington Redskins [08/18/2014] - NFL.com[/url]

Ridiculous.[/quote]

I love all the Browns QB talk today. I saw a post from NFL AM asking if Manziel is ready to be the starter, um did you see the game? How is this a serious question?

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[quote=takethecake;1078042]Love this: "Browns vs. Redskins highlights" on NFL.com shows not a single redskins offensive snap.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2014081800/2014/PRE2/browns@redskins#tab=recap&menu=gameinfo%7CcontentId%3A0ap3000000379824]Watch Cleveland Browns vs. Washington Redskins [08/18/2014] - NFL.com[/url]

Ridiculous.[/quote]

No, see they messed up the title, it's supposed to say "Manziel v. Redskins" highlights

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The holding was supposed to go both ways - receivers are supposed to be scrutinized as much as DB's for pushing off and their own holding. I haven't watched a whole lot of preseason, but it sounds like it's the DB's being flagged significantly more than the WR's.

To me it seems like the lowering of the head for RB's penalty from not too long ago. They flagged it in preseason and I don't know that I've seen it flagged since... even thought we saw it last night.

So I doubt we're going to see this in the regular season but who knows.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1078043]Seriously do those guys have an ax to grind against RG3? He made his share of mistakes out there but the bomb was perfect. He looked right the entire time to keep the safety honest and threw it back left, dropped it right in there.[/quote]

Definitely overkill in their analysis.

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[quote=Mattyk;1078044]I love all the Browns QB talk today. I saw a post from NFL AM asking if Manziel is ready to be the starter, um did you see the game? How is this a serious question?[/quote]

I havent gotten that from the beginning. Hoyer sucks, I just don't get it.

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[quote=tshile;1078046]The holding was supposed to go both ways - receivers are supposed to be scrutinized as much as DB's for pushing off and their own holding. I haven't watched a whole lot of preseason, but it sounds like it's the DB's being flagged significantly more than the WR's.

To me it seems like the lowering of the head for RB's penalty from not too long ago. They flagged it in preseason and I don't know that I've seen it flagged since... even thought we saw it last night.

So I doubt we're going to see this in the regular season but who knows.[/quote]

Oh I think we'll see it, just when it's more obvious. There's no way they can keep tossing 20 flags a game. In the regular season you have to let them play.

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Yeah and we'll probably only see it against the DB's

I don't know how much they can keep pushing this... maybe people will never stop watching, but the advantage to the offense is getting old. I know I'm not the only one that feels that way.

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After watching the Browns game, I am concerned that RGIII might never "get it" and learn to protect himself on the run. As of today, unless this behavior of his changes, I expect him to be injured again this season while running and failing to get out of bounds or to slide in time to avoid a hit.

I'm sure that Robert understands the need to fix this problem on an intellectual level. But I suspect that what he does now is deeply ingrained in him and it has only become a behavioral problem now that he is in the NFL where he is competing against better athletes than he faced in college. Nevertheless, his behavior needs to change immediately if there is to be any hope of his playing a full season.

The Redskins coaching staff has failed to communicate to Robert the importance of protecting himself. Verbal communication hasn't worked. So now I think the staff needs to address this problem by replacing his current behavior with another learned behavior. To be specific, I think they should create special drills for him to practice exactly when to get out of bounds and when and how to slide. They should make him practice this over and over and correct him whenever he fails to adequately protect himself or slide properly during a drill. This needs to be a high priority and the staff needs to keep doing these drills until his behavior changes.

I'm serious about this. It is a major issue for Robert, this team, and the franchise. The coaching staff must teach him through repetition that the time for him to get out of bounds or slide is sooner than he is currently doing it.

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[quote=mredskins;1078039]Hmmm...as a long time Red Sox fan I saw the opposite. After 2004 Fenway was populated with a rich low IQ fan base.

Anywho when you are at the game your IQ drops it is the fun of being at the game.

Last night they said the Redskins have finished in last place of the NFC East 5 out of the last 6 seasons. Man we are a bad franchise. I knew that fact but it just really hit home when they said it last night.[/quote]

Boston fans make any other fan base look better.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;1078014]He needs a lot of work. There's no way he's ready to be a week one starter. The Browns should just name Hoyer the guy and get on with it.[/QUOTE]


Hoyer was even worse. Atleast Jonny has legs.

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The stat last nite showed usually preseason averages around 12-13 flags per game and it drops by 1 or 2 for the regular season. This preseason its around 19. So even with a slight drop-off it is still going to be well above past years on average.

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[quote=punch it in;1078055]Hoyer was even worse. Atleast Jonny has legs.[/quote]

I'm sorry man, but this is a weak argument. Hoyer is the more experienced QB and can probably give the Browns the better chance to win. Unfortunately, Cleveland is having Hoyer split the reps with Johnny Crybaby, and it's screwing them both. Manziel has a lot to learn and is just not ready to be the starter period. It would serve both players and the team for Hoyer to be the starter and Manziel be the back up for game three. Give Hoyer more reps with the first team and Manziel reps with the second team.

Unless their defense can somehow carry them, I don't see Cleveland winning many games with that mess of a QB situation.

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[YT]G-DJM0muqNg[/YT]
I saw Ruhskins post a pic of this earlier. What happened on this play? It didn't look like he was hit in the above sequence.

[QUOTE=mredskins;1078026]This is a good wrap up of Griffins night.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2167547-bad-habits-still-hurting-rgiii-as-redskins-struggle-to-excel-in-new-offense]Bad Habits Still Hurting RGIII as Redskins Struggle to Excel in New Offense | Bleacher Report[/url]


BR nicked picked the Roberts throw. Looking at I don't know where else he good have placed it.[/QUOTE]


I was very happy, in fact kind of surprised to see 6/8 with a 14 ypa. When watching the game I felt like those numbers were 5/12. Turnovers though and recklessness obviously causes for concern.

I also didn't really like the power running game nor was I happy to see Morris not only get 11 carries but also 3 or 4 rough ones down by the Goal line. Though the announcers probably had a good point that the coaches were probably ecstatic to get a live game Goal Line situation. That play where he lost his helmet made my heart skip a beat (also you'd think there'd be a picture of it somewhere on the net).

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1078058][YT]G-DJM0muqNg[/YT]
I saw Ruhskins post a pic of this earlier. What happened on this play? It didn't look like he was hit in the above sequence.[/quote]

That would be trash talking Johnny couldn't handle.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1078054]Boston fans make any other fan base look better.[/quote]

Not Eagles or Raiders fans.

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[quote=Mattyk;1078050]Oh I think we'll see it, just when it's more obvious. There's no way they can keep tossing 20 flags a game. In the regular season you have to let them play.[/quote]

they showed a graphic on the screen last night showing preseason penalties vs regular season penalties over the past 10 years . . . pretty consistent each year that in the regular season there was an average of 1 to 1.5 less penalties calle per game . . . last year there were approx 13.5 called per game in the preseason and 12.5 called per game in the regular season . . . and for the last 10 years the average has gone up from approx 10 per game in the preseason to 13.5, then to almost 19 this year . . . somethings got to give or this is going to be hard to watch

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1078053]After watching the Browns game, I am concerned that RGIII might never "get it" and learn to protect himself on the run. As of today, unless this behavior of his changes, I expect him to be injured again this season while running and failing to get out of bounds or to slide in time to avoid a hit.

I'm sure that Robert understands the need to fix this problem on an intellectual level. But I suspect that what he does now is deeply ingrained in him and it has only become a behavioral problem now that he is in the NFL where he is competing against better athletes than he faced in college. Nevertheless, his behavior needs to change immediately if there is to be any hope of his playing a full season.

The Redskins coaching staff has failing to communicate to Robert the importance of protecting himself. Verbal communication hasn't worked. So now I think the staff needs to address this problem by replacing his current behavior with another learned behavior. To be specific, I think they should create special drills for him to practice exactly when to get out of bounds and when and how to slide. They should make him practice this over and over and correct him whenever he fails to adequately protect himself or slide properly during a drill. This needs to be a high priority and the staff needs to keep doing these drills until his behavior changes.

I'm serious about this. It is a major issue for Robert, this team, and the franchise. The coaching staff must teach him through repetition that the time for him to get out of bounds or slide is sooner than he is currently doing it.[/quote]

breaking a bad habit is about dedication, focus and repetition . . . i think the coaching staff needs to take 20 minutes per practice and have defenders barrel down on him from different angles at full speed to get him to slide or get our of bounce, first on time, second properly . . .

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Hes not gonna slide. I think we have to all realize that Griffin is going to literally play until the wheels fall off. He has a switch that has one speed. We saw it. Preseason couldn't slow down he just was gone.

So lets just rout for him and let him play his way until that happens. That's why Kirk is there. They'll do his best to make him slide but hes not a slow Tom Brady that can slide easy. Do this for me... go JOG and then slide... now SPRINT and then slide. Youll notice a difference.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1078062]breaking a bad habit is about dedication, focus and repetition . . . i think the coaching staff needs to take 20 minutes per practice and have defenders barrel down on him from different angles at full speed to get him to slide or get our of bounce, first on time, second properly . . .[/quote]

tbh im worried more about the route Haden undercut. Today its the slide factor. He scrambles.. I keep saying that. he likes just going, lets let him do what he does. Emphasis it a little more in practice but lets not take away from his actual throwing and desicison making drills. We have Kirk backing him up.. Hes more accurate than the long list of scramblers behind him and that's why were sad he wont slide I know.

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You know, RG3 wasnt getting any help from the right side of the line last night. Those f*cks were taking turns letting guys blow them up. If it wasnt Polumbus, it was Chester getting beat, if it wasnt Chester, it was Kory L getting pushed into the backfield.


In order to be a pocket passer, you need a pocket first

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[quote=punch it in;1078055]Hoyer was even worse. Atleast Jonny has legs.[/quote]

Johnny can barely handle calling plays.

What the Browns are doing with this supposed competition is kind of a joke.

And look at how easy he got rattled with just some simple trash talk.

He's clearly out of his league right now and it's only preseason. Teams that game plan and scheme against him will eat him alive.

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[quote=Chico23231;1078065]You know, RG3 wasnt getting any help from the right side of the line last night. Those f*cks were taking turns letting guys blow them up. If it wasnt Polumbus, it was Chester getting beat, if it wasnt Chester, it was Kory L getting pushed into the backfield.


In order to be a pocket passer, you need a pocket first[/quote]

Good point but he still can't throw that lame duck to the sideline. He's gotta know when to take the sack.

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no but theyre really nitpicking. and chicos right what do you expect a dude with his speed to do, the one play bleacher shows that he took off, a defender barely missed him. then on the "4 second" sack play which I counted about 3. something Jordan didn't get out of his dig fast enough browns 1st string secondary top 5 in league imo.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1078057]I'm sorry man, but this is a weak argument. Hoyer is the more experienced QB and can probably give the Browns the better chance to win. Unfortunately, Cleveland is having Hoyer split the reps with Johnny Crybaby, and it's screwing them both. Manziel has a lot to learn and is just not ready to be the starter period. It would serve both players and the team for Hoyer to be the starter and Manziel be the back up for game three. Give Hoyer more reps with the first team and Manziel reps with the second team.



Unless their defense can somehow carry them, I don't see Cleveland winning many games with that mess of a QB situation.[/QUOTE]


They have a horrible qb situation, but imo manziel gives them the better chance to win. On top of that, they invested alot in him. They arent going to win many games no matter who starts so why not let your future begin now? Hoyer only threw six passes, I get that. However they were six bad ones. Jonny may not have handled the trash talk, but Hoyer cant handle the competition, and it showed. He looked nervous and on edge.
Edit : id rather have a kid with a chip on his shoulder who wants to win than a kid thats afraid to lose. Also before I get accused of calling Manziel great, im just saying he is better than Brian Hoyer. Lol

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1078065]You know, RG3 wasnt getting any help from the right side of the line last night. Those f*cks were taking turns letting guys blow them up. If it wasnt Polumbus, it was Chester getting beat, if it wasnt Chester, it was Kory L getting pushed into the backfield.





In order to be a pocket passer, you need a pocket first[/QUOTE]


I am shocked that somehow Tyler effing Polumbdick still has a job in the NFL. A starting job none the less.

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lol go ahead and start Manziel week 1, say hello to first pick in the draft

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[quote=punch it in;1078073]I am shocked that somehow Tyler effing Polumbdick still has a job in the NFL. A starting job none the less.[/quote]

Yeah, still think Chester is the weakest link last year in pass protect and I think it showed again last night. I was really thinking he could be a bounce back player for us. And Long last night almost got Cousins killed on one play. So we need to be better there.

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We could do a lot worse than Polumbus. I'd much rather get Chester outta there first.

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[quote=Mattyk;1078074]lol go ahead and start Manziel week 1, say hello to first pick in the draft[/quote]

I hope he starts. I love to watch him go through those growing pains or pains he may never grow into a starting NFL QB.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1078058][YT]G-DJM0muqNg[/YT]
I saw Ruhskins post a pic of this earlier. What happened on this play? It didn't look like he was hit in the above sequence.<snip>[/quote]

Yeah, Rak and the gang trash-talked Johnny Foosball after running him out of bounds... basically told him he was a small fish in a big pond now, and hopefully some other things as well... and the very mature Manziel resorted to a petulant little gesture. What a class act.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000379854/article/redskins-lb-orakpo-says-manziel-gesture-was-hilarious]Brian Orakpo: Johnny Manziel's gesture was 'hilarious' - NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=SirLK26;1078079]Yeah, Rak and the gang trash-talked Johnny Foosball after running him out of bounds... basically told him he was a small fish in a big pond now, and hopefully some other things as well... and the very mature Manziel resorted to a petulant little gesture. What a class act.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000379854/article/redskins-lb-orakpo-says-manziel-gesture-was-hilarious]Brian Orakpo: Johnny Manziel's gesture was 'hilarious' - NFL.com[/url][/quote]

Also, right before the flip, he threw another incomplete pass, after being flushed out of the pocket.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1078053]After watching the Browns game, I am concerned that RGIII might never "get it" and learn to protect himself on the run. As of today, unless this behavior of his changes, I expect him to be injured again this season while running and failing to get out of bounds or to slide in time to avoid a hit.

I'm sure that Robert understands the need to fix this problem on an intellectual level. But I suspect that what he does now is deeply ingrained in him and it has only become a behavioral problem now that he is in the NFL where he is competing against better athletes than he faced in college. Nevertheless, his behavior needs to change immediately if there is to be any hope of his playing a full season.

The Redskins coaching staff has failed to communicate to Robert the importance of protecting himself. Verbal communication hasn't worked. So now I think the staff needs to address this problem by replacing his current behavior with another learned behavior. To be specific, I think they should create special drills for him to practice exactly when to get out of bounds and when and how to slide. They should make him practice this over and over and correct him whenever he fails to adequately protect himself or slide properly during a drill. This needs to be a high priority and the staff needs to keep doing these drills until his behavior changes.

I'm serious about this. It is a major issue for Robert, this team, and the franchise. The coaching staff must teach him through repetition that the time for him to get out of bounds or slide is sooner than he is currently doing it.[/quote]

I'm completely with you. As simple as the point is, RGIII just doesn't get it.

Gruden needs to take stringent measures. How 'bout fining Griff $25,000 for every time he takes a hit rather than getting down?

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[quote=punch it in;1078072]They have a horrible qb situation, but imo manziel gives them the better chance to win. On top of that, they invested alot in him. They arent going to win many games no matter who starts so why not let your future begin now? Hoyer only threw six passes, I get that. However they were six bad ones. Jonny may not have handled the trash talk, but Hoyer cant handle the competition, and it showed. He looked nervous and on edge.
Edit : id rather have a kid with a chip on his shoulder who wants to win than a kid thats afraid to lose. Also before I get accused of calling Manziel great, im just saying he is better than Brian Hoyer. Lol[/quote]

Maybe you're still jet lagged, but right now Manziel is not better than Hoyer. Hoyer and Manziel have been splitting reps, and that's going to affect any QB, especially one that hasn't played since October of last year (Hoyer).

If I'm Cleveland, I make Hoyer the starter, let him get reps with the first team for the rest of the season, and let Johnny Crybaby play with the second team (consistently) in the last two games. If they keep this up, they're going to be destroyed by the likes of Pittsburgh and Baltimore, no matter who's under center.

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[quote=Lotus;1078081]I'm completely with you. As simple as the point is, RGIII just doesn't get it.

Gruden needs to take stringent measures. How 'bout fining Griff $25,000 for every time he takes a hit rather than getting down?[/quote]

Not to defend RG3, but having the right side (Chester/Polumbus) collapse on many plays, did not help the whole situation.

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[quote=Skins4L;1078063]Do this for me... go JOG and then slide... now SPRINT and then slide. Youll notice a difference.[/quote]

Well, I'm 66 years old with a bad back... so, NO.

But i was was young once and fast. I played baseball and I slid a lot at high speed. He can do it.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1078053]After watching the Browns game, I am concerned that RGIII might never "get it" and learn to protect himself on the run. As of today, unless this behavior of his changes, I expect him to be injured again this season while running and failing to get out of bounds or to slide in time to avoid a hit.

I'm sure that Robert understands the need to fix this problem on an intellectual level. But I suspect that what he does now is deeply ingrained in him and it has only become a behavioral problem now that he is in the NFL where he is competing against better athletes than he faced in college. Nevertheless, his behavior needs to change immediately if there is to be any hope of his playing a full season.

The Redskins coaching staff has failed to communicate to Robert the importance of protecting himself. Verbal communication hasn't worked. So now I think the staff needs to address this problem by replacing his current behavior with another learned behavior. To be specific, I think they should create special drills for him to practice exactly when to get out of bounds and when and how to slide. They should make him practice this over and over and correct him whenever he fails to adequately protect himself or slide properly during a drill. This needs to be a high priority and the staff needs to keep doing these drills until his behavior changes.

I'm serious about this. It is a major issue for Robert, this team, and the franchise. The coaching staff must teach him through repetition that the time for him to get out of bounds or slide is sooner than he is currently doing it.[/quote]

The coaches aren't babysitters! He's a grown ass man and a smart one. He knows what he needs to do and should take it upon himself to get down. Either he does it, or he gets hurt and misses games. That might be the only way he learns. Personally I think he's exactly like Vick. He'll never truly protect himself. It's just not in his nature slide naturally.

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no push for Morris really from the OL either. How far away are our rookies because it was same story as last year, only this year Griffin has his wheels back and can get out of there. Now instead of getting blasted and criticized, he avoids it but gets criticized hes gonna end his career by not sliding. catch 22 for Robert griffin the 3rd.

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how did Luavo do? I didn't like that as a "fix" there was no okay now were set moment for me there.