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Ok we have a full fledge qb controversy when rg returns. Full fledge pressure on whoever starts. Strange days for skins fans right now, strangeee days.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1083121]Meanwhile you try to put the dreaded "game manager" label on him based on absolutely nothing.[/quote]

No I didn't. Not even close to what I said.

What I said was...

[quote=tshile;1083080]Yeah, it depends.

If he's a game managing QB then I'll still be curious what the team looks like with Griffin. I won't want to settle for a game manager that lets the rest of the team win he game.

If he looks good... if he looks like a comfortable qb that can make big plays and more importantly make smart plays on a regular basis...

Well. Then Griffin is relegated to backup duty :)[/quote]\

As a response to the idea that if Cousins leads the team to the playoffs he'll get the starting job over Griffin.

Which is true. There's 11 guys on the field at a time, with 3 different units playing at different times. In general, the total quality of the team is rarely tied exclusively to one player.

It's completely possible the redskins win 10, 11, 12 games this year with Cousins being a game manager and the rest of the team playing really well. In my opinion that wouldn't mean he deserves to start over Griffin.

He goes out there and leads the team, plays really well, makes big and smart plays, then yeah... He'll earn the job in my opinion.

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Kirk Cousins is a young QB with even less NFL experience than RGIII. We are definitely going to see good and bad from him, even in the same game. That is to be expected.

Winning is winning. I'm not one to favor making any changes when the team is winning.

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What if we win the next few games or go 4-1 with kirk or a simikar record... rg3 will miss 6 games at the very least... is this kirks team now?

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[quote=Meks;1083156]What if we win the next few games or go 4-1 with kirk or a simikar record... rg3 will miss 6 games at the very least... is this kirks team now?[/quote]

i dont think we know the ligament damage yet. Im thinking he'd done at least til December.

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Kirk is such an Andy Dalton esque qb. Grudens gonna like working with Kirk as his starter. I could be wrong. I like everything about Kirk beside his deep ball.

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One thing I think is a positive if we are in the situation of KC playing well enough to generate a real "QB Question," both RG3 and KC have the personalities that will minimize the divisiveness for the team.

I firmly believe each is extremely competitive, wants to start, and believes they should start. At the same time, neither is the type of guy to try and undermine the other in the locker room. In fact, regardless of whoever wins such a competition, I fully expect the loser to be supportive of and helpful to the winner.

Also, in such a situation, I can see a trade working out for the loser that ultimately benefits the Skins. I am hopeful KC shines in these next outings because I believe the end result is good for the team regardless of who our starter is next year.

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You guys are getting waaaaay ahead of yourselves. lol. Let's just try and beat the Eagles first.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1083160]You guys are getting waaaaay ahead of yourselves. lol. Let's just try and beat the Eagles first.[/quote]

Amen.

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[quote=Meks;1083156]What if we win the next few games or go 4-1 with kirk or a simikar record... rg3 will miss 6 games at the very least... is this kirks team now?[/quote]

I think it depends entirely on how Kirk plays. I'm in favor of not fixing something that's not broken, so if Kirk appears to be an essential cog in winning those games (and not losing the others) then I feel like the wise decision is to let Griffin heal up and not force an early return and see where Kirk takes the team.

I'd like to believe this organization is more interested in winning games and building the team to be the best it can be, not nursing the feelings of a QB they traded a lot for.

Of course, I am still high on Griffin and think he can be an elite quarterback. Hard to tell what Gruden et al think.

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Rg was an exciting player he was versatile, shifty, hes special as far as how dynamic he is. Id take a guy who can win and do that over your traditional pocket passer. but we cant have someone whos gonna get hurt again. We should keep both. I want both. DAMMIT!

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Right now I picture Mike Shanahan something like this...

[IMG]http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/popcorn_2.gif[/IMG]

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re: Mike Wises article...

Kevin Sheehan on ESPN 980 has commented multiple times today (Monday Morning Quarterback Show and the Sports Fix) that he had been hearing the same thing for weeks...

So while I believe Mike Wise is a piece of garbage that makes things up, I also believe Kevin Sheehan to be the smartest football guy in the Media (Unless you consider Jurgensen to be 'in the media') and I can't ever think of a time where he was just drumming up controversy, it's not really his thing, so...

Interesting, I suppose...

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Chris Russel, among others, reporting Griffin has no fracture, does not need surgery.

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[quote=SirLK26;1083164]Right now I picture Mike Shanahan something like this...

[IMG]http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/popcorn_2.gif[/IMG][/quote]

Haha ikr. He loves it right now.

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[quote=tshile;1083166]Chris Russel, among others, reporting Griffin has no fracture, does not need surgery.[/quote]

I wanna see the guy recover but it just makes the question bigger that we know he will in fact return midseason. If kirk beats Seattle i know who my guy is Without a shadow of a doubt. But like he said lets get past Philly first.

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[quote=Skins4L;1083168]I wanna see the guy recover but it just makes the question bigger that we know he will in fact return midseason. If kirk beats Seattle i know who my guy is Without a shadow of a doubt. But like he said lets get past Philly first.[/quote]

Yeah, we got philly on the road and giants at home first.

One game at a time. I don't care who they put back there, I just want it to be the best person to help win the game.

I don't care who's feelings/ego it hurts.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1083160]You guys are getting waaaaay ahead of yourselves. lol. Let's just try and beat the Eagles first.[/QUOTE]


Come on man? The real question is who is going to Disneyworld? Griff or Kirk?

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[quote=Chico23231;1083151]Keim reporting No fracture in the ankle for RG3. Thats a positive[/quote]

Any word if the MRI showed torn major ligaments?
That is much worse than fracture.

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Im much more concerned at the present moment with DJax and the others that were injured. Should have Reed back soon rite? Also BM coming back. Without getting into Griff vs Kirk - I will just say that rite now I am comfortable with Kirk being our QB. Very comfortable.

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[quote=Defensewins;1083171]Any word if the MRI showed torn major ligaments?
That is much worse than fracture.[/quote]

yeah, thats the first hurddle. MRI is next on the ligaments.

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Wouldn't they do x-rays at the stadium? Don't need an MRI to tell you if there are fractures. The MRI is to look at the soft tissue.

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[quote=punch it in;1083172]Im much more concerned at the present moment with DJax and the others that were injured. Should have Reed back soon rite? Also BM coming back. Without getting into Griff vs Kirk - I will just say that rite now I am comfortable with Kirk being our QB. Very comfortable.[/quote]

Meriweather back should really help. Rambo's had a big hand in both of the TD's the defense has allowed.

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I believe swelling immediately following injury makes in-stadium XRay and other tests not really useful.

But this is far from something I'm knowledgeable about. :)

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[quote=Chico23231;1083173]yeah, thats the first hurddle. MRI is next on the ligaments.[/quote]

If an MRI has not been done yet, then I wonder why "Chris Russel, among others, reporting Griffin has no fracture, [B]does not need surgery[/B]."
If the major ligament in the ankle is torn and he expects to play football again he needs surgery. Otherwise his ankle will be so weak he will be twisting his ankle all the time and he risks more severe injury.

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[quote=SirLK26;1083164]Right now I picture Mike Shanahan something like this...

[IMG]http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/popcorn_2.gif[/IMG][/quote]

:laughing-:laughing2

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[QUOTE=tshile;1083176]I believe swelling immediately following injury makes in-stadium XRay and other tests not really useful.



But this is far from something I'm knowledgeable about. :)[/QUOTE]


Maybe, but swelling is often worse the next day. Although I'm sure he's been icing the crap out if it. Who knows. I was just kinda wondering out loud.

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1 game at a time, lets see who is healthy for Philly, lot of other injuries besides RG3.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;1083177]If an MRI has not been done yet, then I wonder why "Chris Russel, among others, reporting Griffin has no fracture, [B]does not need surgery[/B]."

If the major ligament in the ankle is torn and he expects to play football again he needs surgery. Otherwise his ankle will be so weak he will be twisting his ankle all the time and he risks more severe injury.[/QUOTE]


I think some are jumping the gun a bit. No surgery needed for a fracture, but that's only half the story.

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One thing I noticed was that 2 or 3 times, Roberts fielded a punt with a defender a bit too close. It never cost him a turnover, this time. I like playmakers, but when got a lead you got to play smart and not take dumb risks. Sometimes it is okay just to take the fair catch.

And all 10 points the defense allowed was because of two plays where the safeties blew the coverage. I don't know if they were going for the INT or what, but when you got a lead and you are the last line of defense you just can't be in front of the receiver.

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[quote=Mattyk;1083181]I think some are jumping the gun a bit. No surgery needed for a fracture, but that's only half the story.[/quote]

Got it. What a surprise...media jumping the gun.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/jay-gruden-culdnt-admit-that-kirk-cousins-was-better-running-his-offense-than-rgiii/2014/09/14/c842791e-3c63-11e4-b0ea-8141703bbf6f_story.html?tid=pm_sports_pop]Jay Gruden couldn’t admit that Kirk Cousins was better running his offense than RGIII - The Washington Post[/url]

Anybody read this nugget from Mike Wise last night?

Talk about trying to get everyone fired up in DC?! What good does an article like this do? Unnamed sources speaking on the condition of anominity .. Really?! Good time to print this peice

Mike Wise your an ass and I do not think Jay Gruden is secretly happy III got hurt.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;1083183]Got it. What a surprise...media jumping the gun.[/QUOTE]


Either that or RG3 is the source, he must know by now what the diagnosis is.

Here is another media outlet reporting the same thing...

[b] Robert Griffin III injury: No fractured ankle for Washington*QB [/b]



[URL] http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/9/15/6152865/robert-griffin-iii-redskins-injury-fractured-ankle [/URL]

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[quote=Mattyk;1083186]Either that or RG3 is the source, he must know by now what the diagnosis is.[/quote]

Do you know if he already had the MRI?

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;1083188]Do you know if he already had the MRI?[/QUOTE]


Seems like he did, that's what confirmed no fracture. Not sure why they're waiting on the rest of the info.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1083185][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/jay-gruden-culdnt-admit-that-kirk-cousins-was-better-running-his-offense-than-rgiii/2014/09/14/c842791e-3c63-11e4-b0ea-8141703bbf6f_story.html?tid=pm_sports_pop]Jay Gruden couldn’t admit that Kirk Cousins was better running his offense than RGIII - The Washington Post[/url]

Anybody read this nugget from Mike Wise last night?

Talk about trying to get everyone fired up in DC?! What good does an article like this do? Unnamed sources speaking on the condition of anominity .. Really?! Good time to print this peice

Mike Wise your an ass and I do not think Jay Gruden is secretly happy III got hurt.[/quote]

Is Saden really Mike Wise?

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[quote=Mattyk;1083190]Seems like he did, that's what confirmed no fracture. Not sure why they're waiting on the rest of the info.[/quote]

We should know for sure at the press conference at 3. Really eager to hear about the rest of our injuries (Lauvao, Helu, D Jax)

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1083194]We should know for sure at the press conference at 3. Really eager to hear about the rest of our injuries (Lauvao, Helu, D Jax)[/QUOTE]


I think those guys are all going to be day to day.

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[quote=Chico23231;1083192]Is Saden really Mike Wise?[/quote]

I think saden once said his fiancee (now spouse?) is a Washington Post reporter...maybe it's Wise?