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Why the fuck is Morris a serious canidate...fuck this shit and fuck Bruce allen

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[quote=NC_Skins;1104603][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2015/1/13/7538023/report-dc-job-down-to-raheem-morris-and-joe-barry-no-more-interviews]Report: DC Job Down To Raheem Morris And Joe Barry; No More Interviews Scheduled - Hogs Haven[/url]




If this is true, Gruden will be fired after next season. It's like he's trying to get fired at this point. Why not walk away with 12 million for not doing a god damn thing. Hell, that's better than what Shanny pulled off.[/quote]

I don't blame Gruden with this. This has the stink of Mr. Tampa, Bruce Allen, all over it. I am well aware of the "let Jay choose the coach" rhetoric, but SnyderAllen are well-practiced at interfering without trying to appear interfering, so the rhetoric might just be bogus.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1104606]Very premature to say this about Gruden.[/quote]

[quote=Lotus;1104612]I don't blame Gruden with this. This has the stink of Mr. Tampa, Bruce Allen, all over it. I am well aware of the "let Jay choose the coach" rhetoric, but SnyderAllen are well-practiced at interfering without trying to appear interfering, so the rhetoric might just be bogus.[/quote]

You two are correct and I made an edit to that:

[B]edit: I say this under the assumption that he's making this choice. It very well could be Bruce Allen making this decision, in which case....why the fuck is he still here?[/B]

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1104605]If they give the DC job to Morris then so be it. It wouldn't be my first choice but maybe he's got his own ideas on how things should be run. Are we really going to judge him on the secondary last year when he's working with guys like EJ Biggers and Ryan Clark?[/QUOTE]


Pretty much what I'm thinking. He hasn't exactly had quality talent to work with back there. And shouldn't he get some credit when it comes to Breeland?

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[quote=Mattyk;1104614]Pretty much what I'm thinking. He hasn't exactly had quality talent to work with back there. And shouldn't he get some credit when it comes to Breeland?[/quote]

no and no

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan;1104615]no and no[/QUOTE]


No credit for Breeland, but all the blame for the unit? Gotcha.

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Ian Rapoport said there wasn't going to be any more interviews he only said there were no more scheduled they could schedule more interviews later today or tomorrow.

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It could very well be Gruden making the call. Let's not forget Gruden was very loyal to Haslett and would probably have kept him around.

At the end of the day, nothing is going to matter on the defensive side of the ball, if Jay Gruden doesn't get that offense to be somewhat decent.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1104619]It could very well be Gruden making the call. [B]Let's not forget Gruden was very loyal to Haslett[/B] and would probably have kept him around.

At the end of the day, nothing is going to matter on the defensive side of the ball, if Jay Gruden doesn't get that offense to be somewhat decent.[/quote]

It has been said on the Warpath that Gruden actually wanted a different DC but had Haslett foisted on himself.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1104613]You two are correct and I made an edit to that:

[B]edit: I say this under the assumption that he's making this choice. It very well could be Bruce Allen making this decision, in which case....why the fuck is he still here?[/B][/quote]

Get on the Fire Bruce bandwagon now. By October all the good seats will be long gone.

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Why is Raheem Morris even here still. This doesnt make sense.

One step forward: McC named GM

Two steps back: Raheem Morris considered for DC

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[quote=Lotus;1104624]It has been said on the Warpath that Gruden actually wanted a different DC but had Haslett foisted on himself.[/quote]

[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/26/jay-gruden-absolutely-interested-jim-haslett-retur/?page=all]Jay Gruden 'absolutely' interested in Jim Haslett returning as defensive coordinator - Washington Times[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;1104614]Pretty much what I'm thinking. He hasn't exactly had quality talent to work with back there. And shouldn't he get some credit when it comes to Breeland?[/quote]

Raheem should definitely get credit for Breeland.

But we have struggled on defense for years. It's time for new blood on the defensive coaching side, not another episode of "Danny, Bruce, and Their Cronies."

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[quote=Ruhskins;1104628][url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/26/jay-gruden-absolutely-interested-jim-haslett-retur/?page=all]Jay Gruden 'absolutely' interested in Jim Haslett returning as defensive coordinator - Washington Times[/url][/quote]

C'mon, Ruhskins, you know very well that that is what Gruden would say if Haslett had been forced on him. What else would he say?

I am not the insider with the information that Gruden did not want Haslett, so I cannot offer evidence for my point. But I am 100% sure that you can search the Warpath and find the reputable claim of which I speak.

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[quote=Lotus;1104629]Raheem should definitely get credit for Breeland.

But we have struggled on defense for years. It's time for new blood on the defensive coaching side, not another episode of "Danny, Bruce, and Their Cronies."[/quote]

We've also struggled offensively for years too (except for 2012). And bringing new blood for the sake of new blood doesn't work.

I mean, weren't these the same people b*tching about Wade Phillips getting hired? I swear, people need to stop b*tching at everything.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1104631]I mean, weren't these the same people b*tching about Wade Phillips getting hired? I swear, people need to stop b*tching at everything.[/QUOTE]


Yup.

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[quote=Lotus;1104630]C'mon, Ruhskins, you know very well that that is what Gruden would say if Haslett had been forced on him. What else would he say?

I am not the insider with the information that Gruden did not want Haslett, so I cannot offer evidence for my point. But I am 100% sure that you can search the Warpath and find the reputable claim of which I speak.[/quote]

Everyone says that Gruden is too honest on his pressers. Gruden also has alot of history with Haslett.

Plus he said this at the end of the season (see the date of December 2014 on the article). He could have said nothing or be vague about it (the way he has ALWAYS been about RG3).

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Here you go cry babies:

Chris Russell ‏@Russellmania980 5m5 minutes ago
Raheem Morris is interviewing today as @AdamSchefter mentioned. Hearing the #Redskins are not absolutely done w/ interviews.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1104634]Here you go cry babies:

Chris Russell ‏@Russellmania980 5m5 minutes ago
Raheem Morris is interviewing today as @AdamSchefter mentioned. Hearing the #Redskins are not absolutely done w/ interviews.[/quote]

:rofl:

When are you gonna stop bitchin about Russel Wilson?

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[quote=Chico23231;1104635]:rofl:

When are you gonna stop bitchin about Russel Wilson?[/quote]

When people stop comparing him to Brady, Manning, Brees, and Rodgers. And actually, I don't bitch about Wilson, I bitch about the uninformed people that think he's the greatest QB ever. I like Wilson, and think he's a good QB.

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They can't be any worse than Haslett

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[quote=Ruhskins;1104631]We've also struggled offensively for years too (except for 2012). And bringing new blood for the sake of new blood doesn't work.

I mean, weren't these the same people b*tching about Wade Phillips getting hired? I swear, people need to stop b*tching at everything.[/quote]

No one argued for bringing in new blood for the sake of new blood.

Tell me, what makes Morris a better candidate for DC than Wade Philips? Or Vic Fangio, who may still come loose? Or Jim Schwartz, who again may be turned loose?

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[quote=Mattyk;1104614]Pretty much what I'm thinking. He hasn't exactly had quality talent to work with back there. And shouldn't he get some credit when it comes to Breeland?[/quote]

His results in Tampa speak a lot louder than the fact that he helped develop one player or the excuse that he didn't have a lot to work with.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1104633]Everyone says that Gruden is too honest on his pressers. Gruden also has alot of history with Haslett.

Plus he said this at the end of the season (see the date of December 2014 on the article). He could have said nothing or be vague about it (the way he has ALWAYS been about RG3).[/quote]

As I said, since I am not the insider with the original information, so all I can do is point you to what others on the Warpath have said to corroborate my information.

So it comes down to whom you believe. You choose to believe a press conference - more power to you. But I choose to believe a Warpath insider whose information typically is impeccable, and I feel comfortable with my choice.

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What about Mike Nolan? I know he has bad history with Dan the whole Ice Cream thing but he is also connected to Scott McCloughan.

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[quote=Skins1570;1104642]What about Mike Nolan? I know he has bad history with Dan the whole Ice Cream thing but he is also connected to Scott McCloughan.[/quote]

That was a long time ago. Snyder probably still has his issues but he'd probably admit that was a really stupid thing to do. I'd be on board with Mike Nolan. Solid football coach.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1104619]It could very well be Gruden making the call. Let's not forget Gruden was very loyal to Haslett and would probably have kept him around.
[B]
At the end of the day, nothing is going to matter on the defensive side of the ball, if Jay Gruden doesn't get that offense to be somewhat decent.[/B][/quote]

Perhaps you were exaggerating just to make point, but sure it matters. Look at Rex Ryan's defenses in New York. His offenses were bad pretty much every year, yet he maintained a solid defense. I'll concede that the offense can help the defense out a lot... that's pretty obvious... but saying we can't have a solid(or at least, improved)defense with our current offense is incorrect.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1104636]When people stop comparing him to Brady, Manning, Brees, and Rodgers. And actually, I don't bitch about Wilson, I bitch about the uninformed people that think he's the greatest QB ever. I like Wilson, and think he's a good QB.[/quote]

If Wilson wins it this year, you'd have to put him in with those guys.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1104636]When people stop comparing him to Brady, Manning, Brees, and Rodgers. And actually, I don't bitch about Wilson, I bitch about the uninformed people that think he's the greatest QB ever. I like Wilson, and think he's a good QB.[/quote]

i never intended to say wilson's 3 years in the league is comparative to brady HOF career ...



sometimes i think people try to intentionally get it twisted.

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[quote=Lotus;1104639]No one argued for bringing in new blood for the sake of new blood.

Tell me, what makes Morris a better candidate for DC than Wade Philips? Or Vic Fangio, who may still come loose? Or Jim Schwartz, who again may be turned loose?[/quote]

Honestly, I'm not a big fan of Morris, but he hasn't been hired yet. The same people that were screaming for new blood, were also opposed to Wade Phillips (who I personally think we should hire).

Everything is not resolved by bringing in new blood (hey Gruden is technically new blood) and the majority of the hires done in the league are done because someone knows someone.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1104645]If Wilson wins it this year, you'd have to put him in with those guys.[/quote]

If he has a more significant performance than last year's Super Bowl, then yes. Which I can see happening.

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[quote=SirLK26;1104644]Perhaps you were exaggerating just to make point, but sure it matters. Look at Rex Ryan's defenses in New York. His offenses were bad pretty much every year, yet he maintained a solid defense. I'll concede that the offense can help the defense out a lot... that's pretty obvious... but saying we can't have a solid(or at least, improved)defense with our current offense is incorrect.[/quote]

I'm pretty positive that in the years that Rex Ryan's Jets had winning seasons, their offense was far better than ours. I know they had an elite offensive line, which made Sanchez look like a decent QB, and a good running game.

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[quote=SirLK26;1104640]His results in Tampa speak a lot louder than the fact that he helped develop one player or the excuse that he didn't have a lot to work with.[/quote]

I dont want Raheem to get the DC job, I would rather have Phillips or Schwartz from the ones available now. Fangio might jump to the top of the list if he is let go. But all of this stuff about Morris in Tampa is somewhat diluted. His last year, Tampa cut everyone and went with an MLS payroll (and they werent talented before stripping the team down. It was BA's players they were dropping right and left). That last year for Morris in Tampa, they had all of about 5 players that could have been substitutes on other teams. The rest didnt belong in the NFL. The roster moves that Tampa was making at that time made it pretty obvious they were moving on from Raheem a year or two before they actually did. They just didnt want to bring in the new coach only to watch him fail so they let Raheem be the fall guy.

Again, I dont want him to get the DC job, I havent been impressed with his work here. While our defense lacks serious talent, they always played as bad or worse than said talent, no overachieving whatsoever which is what the good coaches can get out of their players (sadly half of you are going to view this post as a Raheem is the greatest ever post). But at least judge the whole Tampa Bay organization as to the handling of the uncapped year, dont just make crap up to justify your position. We were redoing contracts to pull money into the uncapped year. Tampa was blowing the doors off of the cap floor by dropping so far underneath it. They came into the year following the uncapped year with something like 60 or 70 mil in cap space.

For all the talk about this college team or that college team could beat the worst NFL team, its rarely true. But that Tampa team was a college team.

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I want to see the DC picked soon but not before we see how the SF HC thing plays out. Vic Fangio may become available. My current top 6 are:

1. Schwartz
2. Fangio
3. LeBeau
4. Phillips
5. Pepper Johnson
6. Norton Jr.

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[quote=over the mountain;1104646]i never intended to say wilson's 3 years in the league is comparative to brady HOF career ...



sometimes i think people try to intentionally get it twisted.[/quote]

I understood your comparison and found it valid.

I also understand what you are saying about the intentional twisting. I prefer to believe for now that some people just don't have very good reading comprehension, because they ALWAYS miss the important details.

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[quote=Lotus;1104656]I understood your comparison and found it valid.

I also understand what you are saying about the intentional twisting. I prefer to believe for now that some people just don't have very good reading comprehension, because they ALWAYS miss the important details.[/quote]

I try not to miss the important details, but it happens every once in a while. Oh well, this is just a hobby.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1104647]Honestly, I'm not a big fan of Morris, but he hasn't been hired yet. The same people that were screaming for new blood, were also opposed to Wade Phillips (who I personally think we should hire).

[B]Everything is not resolved by bringing in new blood (hey Gruden is technically new blood) and the majority of the hires done in the league are done because someone knows someone.[/B][/quote]

1) Of course everything is not resolved by bringing in new blood. No one said it was.

2) You continue to miss a simple aspect about the argument about networking. The question is not whether it is normal (it is). The question is WHO is doing the networking.

If Katie Perry networks our next DC, we're probably screwed since she doesn't know what she is doing. Neither does Bruce Allen, so why should we be happy with his networking? This is a very simple point.

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[quote=Lotus;1104658]1) Of course everything is not resolved by bringing in new blood. No one said it was.

2) You continue to miss a simple aspect about the argument about networking. The question is not whether it is normal (it is). The question is WHO is doing the networking.

If Katie Perry networks our next DC, we're probably screwed since she doesn't know what she is doing. Neither does Bruce Allen, so why should we be happy with his networking? This is a very simple point.[/quote]

Well, until Bruce Allen is gone from this team, any hire is probably going to be part of his network. Hell, Scot McC was a network hire, so should we automatically think he's a bad hire? Tell me oh wise one.

And once again, Morris hasn't been hired, so all this nonsense could be for nothing. As someone said, Fangio could be in the mix.

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Has Bruce Allen become the new Obama? I swear some of you must spill your milk in the morning and blame BA.

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[quote=mredskins;1104660]Has Bruce Allen become the new Obama? I swear some of you must spill your milk in the morning and blame BA.[/quote]

:lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: