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Please tell me how could he respond in that press conference without throwing someone under the bus? DC media is overly aggressive. IMO.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1102574]Allen sounded terrible today. Just a bunch os BS babble.[/quote]

I think he was expecting more questions about Haslett. He was thrown off by only one question on it.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1102588]Please tell me how could he respond in that press conference without throwing someone under the bus? DC media is overly aggressive. IMO.[/quote]

Admittedly I'm biased but why blame the media?

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[quote=mbedner3420;1102590]I think he was expecting more questions about Haslett. He was thrown off by only one question on it.[/quote]

Instead he was peppered with questions that amounted to, "Why are you still employed?" Tough to respond to them.

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Marrone leaves bills for jets apparently

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Someone tell this turd he owes his success, especially in broadcasting to the Redskins.

[url=http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/12/31/nfl-networks-lavar-arrington-the-washington-redskins-stole-my-career/]NFL Network’s LaVar Arrington: The Redskins ‘Stole My Career’ « CBS DC[/url]

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I hate Lavar so much. Suddenly his knee problem and inability to learn the playbook were the Redskins fault.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1102602]Admittedly I'm biased but why blame the media?[/quote]

Yeah I'm gonna actually not blame the media (a first right?) and think that performance of avoidance was was the worst thing I've seen from bruce. I really think they (fo) don't get it. I think it ends next year with half full stadium, bruce and Jay grtting the boot.

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Fuck that hypocrite!! Why does he cover the team that stole his career?

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[quote=Hijinx;1102571]The most amazing thing about ho bad the Skins have been over the last 2 decades is that it is still the NFL's most profitable team. According to Forbes the Skins made 50% more profit than the #2 Dallas. It has to be the only business in the world, that delivers a crappy product and pisses off their customers and still rakes in the cash.[/quote]

Now, that's what I call winning off the field.

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[quote=Chico23231;1102620]Yeah I'm gonna actually not blame the media (a first right?) and think that performance of avoidance was was the worst thing I've seen from bruce. [B]I really think they (fo) don't get it. I think it ends next year with half full stadium, bruce and Jay grtting the boot.[/B][/quote]

I'm with you.

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[quote=Lotus;1102623]I'm with you.[/quote]

After listening to most of BA's press conference today and his avoidance of most of the questions (admittedly some tough ones, like the "why are you still employed" paraphrasing) I am starting to agree. He said they will look at the whole process, yet I'm like, who's going to look at the guys looking at the whole process? Because BA has had 5 years, who the hell is evaluating him and saying,"gee I feel confident that this guy is still in charge of football operations" after the season we just had.

Jay will get another pass because I'm not a believer in giving a head coach 1 year, but if we're still terrible next year it's time to hold a fire sale. Doug Williams (forgive me for speaking ill of one of our on-field glory boys) still hasn't shown me anything that says he's doing a good job here either. I don't see how we retain Bruce Allen at this point. The only thing I'm grateful for him is how he's tried to embrace our history, and reconnect our past heroes with current ownership. But his current football evaluation skills leave a lot to be desired.

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[quote=Hijinx;1102571]The most amazing thing about ho bad the Skins have been over the last 2 decades is that it is still the NFL's most profitable team. According to Forbes the Skins made[U][B] 50% more profit than the #2 Dallas.[/B][/U] It has to be the [U][B]only business in the world, that delivers a crappy product and pisses off their customers and still rakes in the cash.[/B][/U][/quote]

Just think how much a consistent winner would bring in....:benched::eek:

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[quote=mbedner3420;1102617]I hate Lavar so much. Suddenly his knee problem and inability to learn the playbook were the Redskins fault.[/quote]

Keeping him and letting Antonio Pearce walk were the Redskins fault. Lavar has been in the long procession of players that Dan has fallen head over heels for.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1102548]"We are winning off the field" lmao ok[/quote]

Yeah I didn't get that comment. Totally out of place, nobody cares.

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Those reporters were out for blood. A very very small part of me felt bad for Bruce.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1102689]Those reporters were out for blood. A very very small part of me felt bad for Bruce.[/quote]

I didn't feel bad. He's resided over this dumpster fire for too long.

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It's going to be a interesting free agency and draft period for us

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Houston or JPP would be nice to have if they are not retained by their teams.

[url=http://wallstcheatsheet.com/sports/the-2015-nfl-free-agent-class-may-be-the-best-ever.html/?a=viewall]The 2015 NFL Free Agent Class May Be the Best Ever[/url]

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Wow...would it not be cool to pick up like JPP for 3. 6....
Thats an impressive list

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No way kc let's houston walk. And jpp would be nice at a good price

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I hope we're quiet this year in free agency. Let's not go down that road again.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1102795]I hope we're quiet this year in free agency. Let's not go down that road again.[/quote]

Ordinarily I'd disagree since we were so bad and need so much help. But I don't trust our decision makers not to know that a turd stinks so I have no confidence that whomever they sign will be any good.

I'm not believing in a damn thing that Allen, Campbell or Gruden do until I'm proven otherwise.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1102689]Those reporters were out for blood. A very very small part of me felt bad for Bruce.[/quote]

Made me a bit uncomfortable for BA as well. I am confident he will do whatever is necessary to.....NEVER go through that again
Brutal

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[quote=skinsfan69;1102795]I hope we're quiet this year in free agency. Let's not go down that road again.[/quote]

This is the one year i dont want us to be quiet. We need a DT like McCoy and a DB like Harris Jr.

Not to mention. D. Thomas is better than any TE we have atm

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1102622]Now, that's what I call winning off the field.[/quote]Bet Jerry Jones is smarter about demanding profit and expense reports. Not fraud, just smarter about things. Ok ok, owners like Giants John Mara might be cheating their ****** off.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1102795]I hope we're quiet this year in free agency. Let's not go down that road again.[/quote]

I think it depends on how big of an issue the FO management is. I could see Bruce "wagging the dog" to get attention off of him.

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[quote=Hog1;1102801]Made me a bit uncomfortable for BA as well. I am confident he will do whatever is necessary to.....NEVER go through that again
Brutal[/quote]

What's so disturbing is Snyder sends him out there to take the bullets. He's such a coward that he can't face the music himself. He's too much of a pussy for that. Snyder should have been sitting right next to Bruce taking some of those shots. Yet he has nothing to say to this fanbase. Pathetic.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1102836]What's so disturbing is Snyder sends him out there to take the bullets. He's such a coward that he can't face the music himself. He's too much of a pussy for that. Snyder should have been sitting right next to Bruce taking some of those shots. Yet he has nothing to say to this fanbase. Pathetic.[/quote]

If Bruce Allen wasn't ready to talk to the press he should have waited to schedule a press conference until he was ready.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1102836]What's so disturbing is Snyder sends him out there to take the bullets. He's such a coward that he can't face the music himself. He's too much of a pussy for that. Snyder should have been sitting right next to Bruce taking some of those shots. Yet he has nothing to say to this fanbase. Pathetic.[/quote]

im a big DS hater (which he could greatly improve if he hires a real GM for once)

but the DS caught a bunch of flak for sitting on stage at a press conf. caught flak for sitting in the front row with his wife (c/o was he was using his wife and her breast cancer work to deflect criticism or something stupid ..)


i dont blame the DS at all for totally becoming invisible at this point. this is what everyone wanted.

there is nothing the DS can do right at this point (except hire a real GM).

i have no clue why the DS just does not hire a real GM ... a ton of hate would instantly disappear. he would be actually liked.

such an easy "start in the right direction" on some many levels.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1102836]What's so disturbing is Snyder sends him out there to take the bullets. He's such a coward that he can't face the music himself. He's too much of a pussy for that. Snyder should have been sitting right next to Bruce taking some of those shots. Yet he has nothing to say to this fanbase. Pathetic.[/quote]

If Snyder would have been out there you would have said "Why is Snyder even out there undermining Allen?"

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[quote=over the mountain;1102841]im a big DS hater (which he could greatly improve if he hires a real GM for once)

but the DS caught a bunch of flak for sitting on stage at a press conf. caught flak for sitting in the front row with his wife (c/o was he was using his wife and her breast cancer work to deflect criticism or something stupid ..)


i dont blame the DS at all for totally becoming invisible at this point. this is what everyone wanted.

there is nothing the DS can do right at this point (except hire a real GM).

i have no clue why the DS just does not hire a real GM ... a ton of hate would instantly disappear. he would be actually liked.

such an easy "start in the right direction" on some many levels.[/quote]

Define "Real GM"

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[quote=SmootSmack;1102845]Define "Real GM"[/quote]

at the most basic level, a guy or girl with GM written on the front door of their office ...

1. someone who was hired as a GM or VP of Player Personnel for an NFL team in the past

2. someone who would be given the title of GM here

im basically parroting what everyone else is saying .... i would like to see a traditional NFL organizational structure.

the formula of having a coach be GM (gibbs, shanny) has not worked.

the formula of having VP/owner be GM (cerrato/snyder, allen/snyder) has not worked.

perhaps a GM being the GM will work.

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[quote=over the mountain;1102847]at the most basic level, a guy or girl with GM written on the front door of their office ...

1. someone who was hired as a GM or VP of Player Personnel for an NFL team in the past

2. someone who would be given the title of GM here

im basically parroting what everyone else is saying .... i would like to see a traditional NFL organizational structure.

the formula of having a coach be GM (gibbs, shanny) has not worked.

the formula of having VP/owner be GM (cerrato/snyder, allen/snyder) has not worked.

perhaps a GM being the GM will work.[/quote]

So 1 and 2 are what Allen is/has been. So what if Allen was GM, and ONLY the GM?

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[quote=SmootSmack;1102851]So 1 and 2 are what Allen is/has been. So what if Allen was GM, and ONLY the GM?[/quote]

i feel like i am getting the socratic method here.

you have a lot more knowledge and answers than me.

i always thought Allen did contracts and didnt do the drafting and player evaluating in Tampa. I assume from your comment that he did.

but what has Bruce Allen done to make him a qualified player evaluator?

1st round picks of micheal clayton, carnell williams and gaines adams do not look so great in hind sight. his later rounds dont look great either.

this past FA offseason when he was fully in control for us doesnt look so great. lauvau as a day one priority? porter 4.5 mil per? all the concerns that kept other teams away from hatcher came true .. why didnt we give them the same weight?

why should fans not be disappointed that we have not been told any specific plans to improve on the way our roster is assembled?


if allen really has been a player evaluator for all these years, yes then i would let him have another go at it this year.

But if he hasnt been doing that, then we need to bring in someone who does and can. he had this past year to play GM and he failed to address major issues with this roster that came back to bite us during games and are still issues today.

do you trust bruce allen's ability to evaluate talent? is there no one else better avialable?

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Allen made it pretty clear last year he was going to be involved with personnel decisions. Even under Shanahan he had input. That area has never been his strength.

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[quote=Mattyk;1102862]Allen made it pretty clear last year he was going to be involved with [B]personnel decisions[/B]. Even under Shanahan he had input. [B] That area has never been his strength[/B].[/quote]
Even with Tampa bay, it was a mix bag of results....at best. I would really love to see him step back from player aquisition, talent evaluation, scouting, etc.
He seems to do a pretty good job with PR, contracts, salary cap, etc

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[quote=SmootSmack;1102844]If Snyder would have been out there you would have said "Why is Snyder even out there undermining Allen?"[/quote]

Lol. Not at all. Really our gutless owner is the one I'd rather hear from. I saw John Mara on NFL Network apologizing to his fan base. I don't need him to do that but say something after this mess. He rarely has anything to say about the product he puts on the field.

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As GM it's Allen's job to take the heat. The more Snyder stays in the background the better.

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[quote=mooby;1102625]After listening to most of BA's press conference today and his avoidance of most of the questions (admittedly some tough ones, like the "why are you still employed" paraphrasing) I am starting to agree.[B]He said they will look at the whole process, yet I'm like, who's going to look at the guys looking at the whole process?[/B]Because BA has had 5 years, who the hell is evaluating him and saying,"gee I feel confident that this guy is still in charge of football operations" after the season we just had.

Jay will get another pass because I'm not a believer in giving a head coach 1 year, but if we're still terrible next year it's time to hold a fire sale. Doug Williams (forgive me for speaking ill of one of our on-field glory boys) still hasn't shown me anything that says he's doing a good job here either. I don't see how we retain Bruce Allen at this point. The only thing I'm grateful for him is how he's tried to embrace our history, and reconnect our past heroes with current ownership. But his current football evaluation skills leave a lot to be desired.[/quote]

That sentence right there sums it up perfectly. It's what the reporters at the press conference were trying to get out of BA, and he had no answer for it.

The best thing he could have said is "The product that I have submitted for the last 5 years is a disgrace. A disgrace to the fans, a disgrace to the region that this team represents, and its storied history. I love this organization so much, and am so committed to restoring its success, that I'm willing to remove myself from the process of fixing it. The duties of talent evaluation, engineering the salary cap, scouting, and the draft will be handed to AJ Smith, who has a proven track record of success."

Short of offering his immediate resignation, that's exactly what Bruce Allen [U]should[/U] have done.

He's a disaster. His product is abysmal, and the team should move on from him yesterday.