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[quote=skinsfaninok;1104334]That boy Andrew Luck is a bad bad man[/quote]

Been telling you that for years.

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Talk about some spoiled bitches. Booing your team in a playoff game???

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In all fairness I was on his bandwagon with u prior to the draft. U and I were wanting the 1 pick but then I went all in for griffin after I knew indy was taking luck

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Cribbs needs to start putting his arm up. Thats the second time he has been leveled.

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Peyton not showing any zip on his passes

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Laron Landry sux

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Fucking Landry sucks!!

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LOL@Laron still not knowing how to tackle.

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So it's the 4 th quarter and Denver has less than 200 yards total on offense. And teams want Adam gase as their hc?

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CJ Anderson does not want the season to end.

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[quote=Chico23231;1104348]So it's the 4 th quarter and Denver has less than 200 yards total on offense. And teams want Adam gase as their hc?[/quote]

That offense has shit the bed. Peyton and all of the WRs decided to take the night off mentally.


Sad part, Denver's defense has been worse to me. Waited till half way through the 4th quarter to start pressuring Luck. Are you fucking kidding me?

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Game balls to Andrew Luck and Greg Manusky, great defensive effort by Indy.

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This is the end for Denver and Peyton Manning

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1104354]This is the end for Denver and Peyton Manning[/quote]

I don't care what the talking heads say, Peyton is clearly not the same. He can't get the ball down the field, he can't make all the throws, he's probably done.

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Yeah man age has hit him hard he's done and needs to retire before he looks really bad

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Bold prediction.

Mike shanahan will be the next HC in Denver

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John Fox simply can't win the big game. The planning is poor and it shows in these instances. What was the defensive game plan? To run zone the entire game and let Luck eat your ass up? You spent all that money on Ware/Ward/Talib and for what? That should have been a shut down type of defense, but it wasn't. It wasn't even close as they ranked middle of the pack in PPG allowed as a defense.

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If you watched the Cincy game or any of the past couple of Denver games this game was no surprise.

The Broncos offense was horrible.

The Broncos defense was just as bad.

You have a coach and a QB who are both known to not show up for big games. This is the result.

At least Manning has all the regular season records and will go down in my opinion as the best regular season QB and one of the best to ever play.

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[quote=donofriose;1104359]If you watched the Cincy game or any of the past couple of Denver games this game was no surprise.

The Broncos offense was horrible.

The Broncos defense was just as bad.

You have a coach and a QB who are both known to not show up for big games. This is the result.

At least Manning has all the regular season records and will go down in my opinion as the best regular season QB and one of the best to ever play.[/quote]


The problem is, Manning has always been on teams that can't support him if he fails. It's always the case. If Manning has a bad game, the Broncos (or Colts) lose. I have never ever seen any of his teams win the game despite Manning, with the exception of the Super Bowl and which Rhodes and Bob Sanders willed them to a win. Your team can't be that reliant on the QB. I think we are seeing the same thing with the Colts as well.

Check this for instance. Earlier this year, the Colts played the Patriots in Foxboro and got their ass stomp. You'd figure Brady played lights out, but he didn't. In fact, they won despite his poor play.

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=400554417]New England Patriots vs. Indianapolis Colts - Box Score - November 16, 2014 - ESPN[/url]

Carried by a RB and a defense. Negate that "stat padder" they did at the end, and his rating was well below 80 for that game. Tom can afford to have a bad game (unless turnovers are involved) and they still win. QBs like Peyton and Luck don't have that luxury.

If Luck plays bad next week, that team is sunk.

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this is again y Brady is better than PM

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1104361]this is again y Brady is better than PM[/quote]

No. Brady has a better team and a better coach. That's why Brady is better.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1104360]The problem is, Manning has always been on teams that can't support him if he fails. It's always the case. If Manning has a bad game, the Broncos (or Colts) lose. I have never ever seen any of his teams win the game despite Manning, with the exception of the Super Bowl and which Rhodes and Bob Sanders willed them to a win. Your team can't be that reliant on the QB. I think we are seeing the same thing with the Colts as well.



Check this for instance. Earlier this year, the Colts played the Patriots in Foxboro and got their ass stomp. You'd figure Brady played lights out, but he didn't. In fact, they won despite his poor play.



[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=400554417]New England Patriots vs. Indianapolis Colts - Box Score - November 16, 2014 - ESPN[/url]



Carried by a RB and a defense. Negate that "stat padder" they did at the end, and his rating was well below 80 for that game. Tom can afford to have a bad game (unless turnovers are involved) and they still win. QBs like Peyton and Luck don't have that luxury.



If Luck plays bad next week, that team is sunk.[/QUOTE]


Glad you pointed this out. Remember what happened the year Manning was hurt in Indy? The team won one game. Same team. No Manning. There was actually talk of Manning winning MVP because it was that evident he was the reason they won so much prior to the injury.
Edit: Brady missed a season and they still won 11 games!

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[quote=NC_Skins;1104363]No. Brady has a better team and a better coach. That's why Brady is better.[/quote]

Manning's teams were good enough to rack up tons of wins in the regular season, but underachieved most years when they got to the playoffs. And he played poorly in a lot of those playoff losses, so stop making excuses for him.

Brady won 3 Super Bowls with scrub receivers and running backs. And he hardly had historically good Defenses like the Ravens and Seahawks. Solid at best.

Brady > Manning when it counted.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1104360]The problem is, Manning has always been on teams that can't support him if he fails. It's always the case. If Manning has a bad game, the Broncos (or Colts) lose. I have never ever seen any of his teams win the game despite Manning, with the exception of the Super Bowl and which Rhodes and Bob Sanders willed them to a win. Your team can't be that reliant on the QB. I think we are seeing the same thing with the Colts as well.

Check this for instance. Earlier this year, the Colts played the Patriots in Foxboro and got their ass stomp. You'd figure Brady played lights out, but he didn't. In fact, they won despite his poor play.

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=400554417]New England Patriots vs. Indianapolis Colts - Box Score - November 16, 2014 - ESPN[/url]

Carried by a RB and a defense. Negate that "stat padder" they did at the end, and his rating was well below 80 for that game. Tom can afford to have a bad game (unless turnovers are involved) and they still win. QBs like Peyton and Luck don't have that luxury.

If Luck plays bad next week, that team is sunk.[/quote]

There have been games where Denver has carried Manning. Vs. The bill is a perfect example.

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=400554428]Buffalo Bills vs. Denver Broncos - Box Score - December 07, 2014 - ESPN[/url]

Every team needs all three phases to play well to win. If the offense doesn't do well they will lose. If the D does bad, they will lose. Same thing with Special Teams.

When Manning does bad, it directly impacts the defense. Just like when the defense does bad it directly impacts Manning and the offense.

Manning doesn't play well enough in the playoffs to win. Just watch the super bowl for a perfect example. Manning and the offense played horribly which put the defense in terrible spots.

There have been multiple times where Manning has had a top 5 defense and offense and they go out in one game.

If we want to give Manning all the credit, he deserves some of the blame as well. Just like Brady or any other QB.

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[QUOTE=donofriose;1104368]There have been games where Denver has carried Manning. Vs. The bill is a perfect example.



[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=400554428]Buffalo Bills vs. Denver Broncos - Box Score - December 07, 2014 - ESPN[/url]



Every team needs all three phases to play well to win. If the offense doesn't do well they will lose. If the D does bad, they will lose. Same thing with Special Teams.



When Manning does bad, it directly impacts the defense. Just like when the defense does bad it directly impacts Manning and the offense.



Manning doesn't play well enough in the playoffs to win. Just watch the super bowl for a perfect example. Manning and the offense played horribly which put the defense in terrible spots.



There have been multiple times where Manning has had a top 5 defense and offense and they go out in one game.



If we want to give Manning all the credit, he deserves some of the blame as well. Just like Brady or any other QB.[/QUOTE]


Multiple times Manning had a top 5 defense???

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[quote=punch it in;1104364]Glad you pointed this out. Remember what happened the year Manning was hurt in Indy? The team won one game. Same team. No Manning. There was actually talk of Manning winning MVP because it was that evident he was the reason they won so much prior to the injury.
Edit: Brady missed a season and they still won 11 games![/quote]

Then the next year a rookie QB took that same one win team to the playoffs.

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[QUOTE=donofriose;1104370]Then the next year a rookie QB took that same one win team to the playoffs.[/QUOTE]


Luck is awesome too. This isnt about Luck it is about Manning and Brady. They each missed a year in their prime. Mannings team won one, Bradys won 11. Cannot discount that.
The Colts - when Lucks career there is over can look back and say they probably had thee longest run in NFL history with an elite QB at the helm.
Edit : not trying to take anything away from Brady. He is one of the all time greats but if you switched his and Mannings teams through their careers we are saying Brady couldnt win in big spots. Its all about situations in sports. Put Dan Marino on the Redskins in the 80's - where by the way he was very close to winding up - and he probably has 3-4 rings. Put Terry Bradshaw on the Lions and we have no idea who he is today. Lol

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[quote=donofriose;1104368]There have been games where Denver has carried Manning. Vs. The bill is a perfect example.

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=400554428]Buffalo Bills vs. Denver Broncos - Box Score - December 07, 2014 - ESPN[/url]

Every team needs all three phases to play well to win. If the offense doesn't do well they will lose. If the D does bad, they will lose. Same thing with Special Teams.

When Manning does bad, it directly impacts the defense. Just like when the defense does bad it directly impacts Manning and the offense.

Manning doesn't play well enough in the playoffs to win. Just watch the super bowl for a perfect example. Manning and the offense played horribly which put the defense in terrible spots.

There have been multiple times where Manning has had a top 5 defense and offense and they go out in one game.

If we want to give Manning all the credit, he deserves some of the blame as well. Just like Brady or any other QB.[/quote]


LOL...the Bills. I point out where the team carried Tom against a playoff team, and you counter with the Bills. C'mon man.....

Stop saying he had top 5 defenses. That is inaccurate. Defensive units ranked by yardage doesn't mean jack shit. PPG allowed defensively is what matters. 2010 though was different and by all accounts the Colts should have did a lot.


Peyton also faced a great defense with that Chicago team. Can you find me one game Tom has faced that kind of defense in a playoff game? The Ravens are probably the only team that comes to mind, but let's look at who their QBs were during those years....lol


Bad offenses doesn't always affect defenses. Chicago and Baltimore got to the Super Bowl with shitty offenses that didn't produce, yet their units are still strong.

FYI: Defensively this year...

NE ranked 8th in NFL in PPG allowed defensively.

Denver ranked 16th in PPG allowed defensively.

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[quote=44Deezel;1104366]Manning's teams were good enough to rack up tons of wins in the regular season, but underachieved most years when they got to the playoffs. And he played poorly in a lot of those playoff losses, so stop making excuses for him. [/quote]

For starters, it's an "excuse" that even the Colts owner said when he fired Bill Polian and noted they spent too many resources on the offense and neglected the defense. It's reality. I've said time and time and time again that defense wins championships. Look at history. History shows you everything you need to know about defense and championships. Very few exceptions.

Offense wins in the regular season.
Defense wins in the playoffs.
Special teams win championships.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1104374]For starters, it's an "excuse" that even the Colts owner said when he fired Bill Polian and noted they spent too many resources on the offense and neglected the defense. It's reality. I've said time and time and time again that defense wins championships. Look at history. History shows you everything you need to know about defense and championships. Very few exceptions.

Offense wins in the regular season.
Defense wins in the playoffs.
Special teams win championships.[/quote]

And we have none of these....

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[quote=NC_Skins;1104372]LOL...the Bills. I point out where the team carried Tom against a playoff team, and you counter with the Bills. C'mon man.....

Stop saying he had top 5 defenses. That is inaccurate. Defensive units ranked by yardage doesn't mean jack shit. PPG allowed defensively is what matters. 2010 though was different and by all accounts the Colts should have did a lot.


Peyton also faced one of the greatest defenses in NFL history with that Chicago team. Can you find me one game Tom has faced that kind of defense in a playoff game? The Ravens are probably the only team that comes to mind, but let's look at who their QBs were during those years....lol


Bad offenses doesn't always affect defenses. Chicago and Baltimore got to the Super Bowl with shitty offenses that didn't produce, yet their units are still strong.

FYI: Defensively this year...

NE ranked 8th in NFL in PPG allowed defensively.

Denver ranked 16th in PPG allowed defensively.[/quote]

I was only referencing the remark of a QB being carried by a team. Manning was carried vs the Bills. Not sure why playing a playoff team matters for that comment. I actually think it is worst that Manning had to be "carried" (which I think is dumb anyway) vs. a non playoff team.

2012... 4th in PPG, one and done.
2007... 1st in PPG. Also had the Defense MVP on his team. One and done.

Chicago wasn't one of the best defenses of all time. I'm pretty sure Baltimore was better than them that year. Speaking of QBs... who was the QB for the Bears that year? I'm pretty sure the QB couldn't even take a snap.

Brady played Pitt, Baltimore, and Tennessee (when they had a good defense).

He also played Carolina the year when they had the best defensive line in the NFL. When the Patriots played Philly they had a great defense with what was probably the best secondary at the time.

And I agree that NE is better than Denver this year. But Brady needed to score 35 points in order to win his game against a top 10 defense. Manning needed to score 24 against the 19th best defense in the NFL and couldn't get it done. This weekend was a perfect example of why in the playoffs, Brady makes the throws that win games. Brady carried his team this weekend... Manning couldn't and failed.

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Hard to argue who is actually better but if brady gets 4 this yr he'll be easily ahead of manning. I already believe tom is the best ever but 4 would really solidify it

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1104395]Hard to argue who is actually better but if brady gets 4 this yr he'll be easily ahead of manning. I already believe tom is the best ever but 4 would really solidify it[/quote]

Brady has really fallen during the post season recently. Manning has caught up to him and is right there in terms of greatness. Last year's postseason manning was great ti'll the SB. This year NE is def. A better team... they were last year too in my opinion until Gronk got hurt. If gronk and Revis stay healthy only Seattle can beat them IMO

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[quote=donofriose;1104388]I was only referencing the remark of a QB being carried by a team. Manning was carried vs the Bills. Not sure why playing a playoff team matters for that comment. I actually think it is worst that Manning had to be "carried" (which I think is dumb anyway) vs. a non playoff team.

2012... 4th in PPG, one and done.
2007... 1st in PPG. Also had the Defense MVP on his team. One and done.

Chicago wasn't one of the best defenses of all time. I'm pretty sure Baltimore was better than them that year. Speaking of QBs... who was the QB for the Bears that year? I'm pretty sure the QB couldn't even take a snap.

Brady played Pitt, Baltimore, and Tennessee (when they had a good defense).

He also played Carolina the year when they had the best defensive line in the NFL. When the Patriots played Philly they had a great defense with what was probably the best secondary at the time.

And I agree that NE is better than Denver this year. But Brady needed to score 35 points in order to win his game against a top 10 defense. Manning needed to score 24 against the 19th best defense in the NFL and couldn't get it done. This weekend was a perfect example of why in the playoffs, Brady makes the throws that win games. Brady carried his team this weekend... Manning couldn't and failed.[/quote]

I'll concede the part about the Bears defense being one of the greats. That was a big of exaggeration. However they were still pretty damn dominate. There QB was a shitty Rex Grossman. Had it been anybody else, Peyton wouldn't have won that game. That said, neither would have Brady on that Colts team. It's funny to know that the following ppg allowed defensively in 2006 were as:

1-Ravens
2- Patriots
3- Bears


Brady may have faced those teams, but none of them had QBs except for Pittsburgh.

Not sure what happened this past weekend because it seems that Flacco always has the Patriots number in the post-season. Had that been a regular season game, it would have been a lower scoring game because Flacco sucks in the regular season. I don't thing the Patriots will have to score that many points this week as I don't see Luck beating Brady in New England.


People put too much emphasis on one player. Is Eli a better QB because he's owned Brady like a bitch in two Super Bowls? Fuck no. He's not even close. It's a team game and anything can happen in one and done situations. All of these QBs need other teammates to step up. Some do, some don't.

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[quote=redskins5044;1104381]And we have none of these....[/quote]

I'd fucking be happy to have one good unit. Have 3 would be amazing.


[quote=donofriose;1104397]Brady has really fallen during the post season recently. Manning has caught up to him and is right there in terms of greatness. Last year's postseason manning was great ti'll the SB. This year NE is def. A better team... they were last year too in my opinion until Gronk got hurt. If gronk and Revis stay healthy only Seattle can beat them IMO[/quote]


Going to defend Tom Brady here a bit. (shocking) Tom and BB hasn't had the type of defense they've needed to have the past 5 or 6 years. Those were the catalysts for their SB runs (and wins). They've gone from 10th, 9th to 8th the past three years so you can see improvement. Also, no way in hell does Luck and the Colts beat Brady in NE. Colts are similar int he fact that he carries that team. If he does bad, it's over. Seattle is the only one that has a real shot at this point.

That said, I said earlier in the season (NE/Denver) game that Denver wouldn't last long in the playoffs this year. That defense isn't what it needs to be to get them into the Super Bowl. They were masked by the offense last year, and supposedly revamped with all the free agents. We see how that worked out. In fact, I think Denver's window is officially closed at this point. They need to get somebody in there to fix that defense and not a yardage defense either.

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That rule needs to be changed. He got another foot down and reached for the goal line. If that happened to Garcon we would all be crying foul. That call/rule ruined a great game.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1104361]this is again y Brady is better than PM[/quote]Debatable.

For example, Colts slid from playoff team to 2-14 when Manning got hurt. Pats went 11-5 when Brady got hurt.

I would take Brady over Peyton, just saying.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1104405]That rule needs to be changed. He got another foot down and reached for the goal line. If that happened to Garcon we would all be crying foul. That call/rule ruined a great game.[/quote]I thought the Dez call was fitting after last week's detroit game, and the RG3 TD in the giants game.

Why didn't the cowboys get called for 30 yds of personal fouls for arguing with the refs, like we did that giants game?

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The argument between Brady and Manning is just odd. You can frame the argument however you want, QB stats Manning is better.Playoff/rings Brady...
Living in New England, this argument is making my ears bleed.