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Hard to believe people would pass over a top WR like Cooper if he's on the board. Gotta remember you're not drafting for now, you're drafting for the next 4-5 years.

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It's not about need for me. It's about value.

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[quote=SirLK26;1111557]It's not about need for me. It's about value.[/quote]

I would humbly suggest that Cooper's objective "value" at 5 is considered to be much higher than any of the OLB's available at that point.

I would also suggest that you are in the significant minority of talent evaluators if you consider someone not named Winston or Williams a better value at 5 than Cooper.

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[quote=Mattyk;1111556]Hard to believe people would pass over a top WR like Cooper if he's on the board. Gotta remember you're not drafting for now, you're drafting for the next 4-5 years.[/quote]


When you think about our fan base, does it really surprise you??

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[quote=budw38;1111548]Agree with this . Add a road grater and an extra a pick or two , would be great .[/quote]

OK, but cheese gets grated, roads get graded. Blame Schneed.

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At 5 u should get a legit playmaker and that's what u go after, road graters u can get in later rounds

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;1111560]OK, but cheese gets grated, roads get graded. Blame Schneed.[/quote]

No. Scherff is so beast he shreds asphalt and sprinkles it on his spaghetti. Give me a little credditt please.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1111562]No. Scherff is so beast he shreds asphalt and sprinkles it on his spaghetti. Give me a little credditt please.[/QUOTE]

Firstdwon is taht yuo?

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[quote=Chico23231;1111561]At 5 u should get a legit playmaker and that's what u go after, road graters u can get in later rounds[/quote]

At #5 the only OL I'm taking is a Trent Williams or Samuels type.

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[quote=Schneed10;1111562]No. Scherff is so beast he shreds asphalt and sprinkles it on his spaghetti. Give me a little credditt please.[/quote]

That's odd , his scouting report says that he eats light bulbs ?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1111559]When you think about our fan base, does it really surprise you??[/quote]

Nothing surprises me anymore

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[quote=Mattyk;1111564]At #5 the only OL I'm taking is a Trent Williams or Samuels type.[/quote]

Cornerstones left tackles are certainly a different story. Guards, right tackles can wait.

McC is choosing between Leonard Williams, Vic beasly, fowler jr or Amari cooper at the 5 spot. Since both marriota and Winston will be gone so someone will fall from that group. I won't be disappointed from any of those. Leonard Williams at 5 would be the steal IMO

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[quote=Chico23231;1111567]Cornerstones left tackles are certainly a different story. Guards, right tackles can wait.

McC is choosing between Leonard Williams, Vic beasly, fowler jr or Amari cooper at the 5 spot. Since both marriota and Winston will be gone so someone will fall from that group. I won't be disappointed from any of those. Leonard Williams at 5 would be the steal IMO[/quote]

Agreed on Williams, I know he's a long shot but I've got my fingers crossed.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1111559]When you think about our fan base, does it really surprise you??[/quote]

Our fan base is no different than any other fan base.

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[quote=Chico23231;1111567]Cornerstones left tackles are certainly a different story. Guards, right tackles can wait.

McC is choosing between Leonard Williams, Vic beasly, fowler jr or Amari cooper at the 5 spot. Since both marriota and Winston will be gone so someone will fall from that group. I won't be disappointed from any of those. Leonard Williams at 5 would be the steal IMO[/quote]

How do you know what McC is considering?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1111570]Our fan base is no different than any other fan base.[/quote]

That's not true

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1111572]That's not true[/quote]

I would have to agree with you. IMO we give up on player's way to quickly D. Amerson shows promise first year sophomore slump second year people calling for his head. Just one example.

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another good mock draft

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2015/04/24/seven-round-redskins-mock-draft-third-times-the-charm/]Seven-round Redskins mock draft: Third time’s the charm - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=Irrefutable;1111582]another good mock draft

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2015/04/24/seven-round-redskins-mock-draft-third-times-the-charm/]Seven-round Redskins mock draft: Third time’s the charm - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

This mock has a laser focus on the Redskins' needs. There may be more of a BPA flavor to SM's actual draft.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1111582]another good mock draft

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2015/04/24/seven-round-redskins-mock-draft-third-times-the-charm/]Seven-round Redskins mock draft: Third time’s the charm - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

IMO not a bad draft.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1111573]I would have to agree with you. IMO we give up on player's way to quickly D. Amerson shows promise first year sophomore slump second year people calling for his head. Just one example.[/quote]

Our entire secondary played like crap last year. (Breeland being the exception)

How much blame goes on the players v. the coaches is certainly up for debate.

What is inexcusable is playing poorly and having DC media discussing rumors that he might be having Fred Davis type issues and missing meetings.

2nd year players shouldn't be having these problems.

I don't believe we should cut him, even though that's what the Pats would have already done.

But that's why he isn't getting a lot of love right now.

If it was simply his play, I don't think fans would be so hard on him, especially with the new defensive staff coming in.

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The more I think about it, the less I think that we'll trade out of the #5 pick. That's because I think we're sure to get a "can't miss" player at #5. Right now, it looks like the top two QB's will go 1-2. That leaves Leonard Williams, Amari Cooper, and Fowler still there when we pick.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1111597]The more I think about it, the less I think that we'll trade out of the #5 pick. That's because I think we're sure to get a "can't miss" player at #5. Right now, it looks like the top two QB's will go 1-2. That leaves Leonard Williams, Amari Cooper, and Fowler still there when we pick.[/quote]

I don't see a trade down unless we get a blockbuster offer. At #5 there's definitely going to be a high quality player there.

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[quote=Mattyk;1111598]I don't see a trade down unless we get a blockbuster offer. At #5 there's definitely going to be a high quality player there.[/quote]

And that is the thing, there is no player there that someone would offer a blockbuster trade for. Whomever we get at 5 is bound to make a strong ccontribution in their first year, whether it be Cooper, Fowler, Williams, White, Beasley, etc.

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What prospects do people like in round 2 and later?

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[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1761394/jaquiski-tartt]Jaquiski Tartt, SS, Samford, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1737106/aj-cann]A.J. Cann, OG, South Carolina, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2001231/shaq-thompson]Shaq Thompson, OLB, Washington, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1762313/jeremy-langford]Jeremy Langford, RB, Michigan State, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

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[quote=Irrefutable;1111582]another good mock draft

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2015/04/24/seven-round-redskins-mock-draft-third-times-the-charm/"]Seven-round Redskins mock draft: Third time’s the charm - The Washington Post[/URL][/quote]

This would be a nice draft . I doubt ( FS ) Randall falls past rd 2 . We should have a good strong draft , picking early each rd and having a top GM !

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Washington Redskins

Round 1 (5): Dante Fowler, Jr., OLB, Florida
Round 2 (38): T.J. Clemmings, OT, Pittsburgh
Round 3 (69): Alex Carter, CB/S, Stanford
Round 4 (105): Josh Shaw, CB, USC
Round 5 (141): Tony Lippett, WR, Michigan State
Round 6 (182): Jeremy Langford, RB, Michigan State
Round 7 (222): Amarlo Herrera, ILB, Georgia

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000487985/article/2015-sevenround-mock-draft-teambyteam-projections?akmobile=android&akcarrier=verizon]2015 seven-round mock draft: Team-by-team projections - NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=30gut;1111607]What prospects do people like in round 2 and later?[/quote]

Damarius Randall, Rashad Greene, Ameer Abdullah, Tyler Lockett, Duke Johnson, Stephone Anthony, Jeremy Langford, Dezmin Lewis, Shane Carden, Jake Waters, Sam Carter...

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One guy's take on Beasley - Never heard of the writer or the cite, was just looking into Beasley as his name seems to be popping up a lot lately. This guy's take seem pretty fair minded:

[quote]I have a hunch that there will be two very different and opposing viewpoints on him: One camp will love his ability as a game-changing pass rusher while the other will suggest that he’s a maxed out college star who won’t translate to the NFL. If there’s any one player who will live and die by the post-season NFL Draft process this year, it has to be Beasley. Below are some of his highlights from the 2013 season.[/quote]

[url]http://firstroundgrade.com/2014/07/21/vic-beasley-adding-weight-for-nfl/[/url]

Again, lots to like about Beasly, lots to be concerned about - did not realize he was only 235, thought he was in the 240's. Writer compares him to Bruce Irvin. Strikes me as player with potentially high ceiling but possibly maxing out as a 3rd down specialist.

As I have said, all the OLB guys strike me as risky. Fowler the least but, like Schneed said, he seems to be more of a Kerrigan player that lacks explosion. Gotta say, none of these OLB guys makes me feel particularly confident spending the 5th pick on them.

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Is there a player at #5 we are not talking about that we should? Could it be Bud Dupree?

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000488052/article/report-bud-dupree-will-work-out-for-washington-redskins]Report: Bud Dupree will work out for Washington Redskins - NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1111652]One guy's take on Beasley - Never heard of the writer or the cite, was just looking into Beasley as his name seems to be popping up a lot lately. This guy's take seem pretty fair minded:



[url=http://firstroundgrade.com/2014/07/21/vic-beasley-adding-weight-for-nfl/]Vic Beasley adding weight for NFL | FirstRoundGrade.com[/url]

Again, lots to like about Beasly, lots to be concerned about - did not realize he was only 235, thought he was in the 240's. Writer compares him to Bruce Irvin. Strikes me as player with potentially high ceiling but possibly maxing out as a 3rd down specialist.

As I have said, all the OLB guys strike me as risky. Fowler the least but, like Schneed said, he seems to be more of a Kerrigan player that lacks explosion. Gotta say, none of these OLB guys makes me feel particularly confident spending the 5th pick on them.[/quote]

I have no problem with Beasly being 235 or 240. You could have Murphy in on run downs and bring in Beasly on pass downs. Pure explosive, speed pass rushers can change the game, get the defense off the field and cause sack/fumbles. We don't have a player like this, a Robert Quinn type of guy.

If they feel he's that kind of player then draft him. I'd much rather have that type of player than a big strong guy that isn't explosive. Seattle's defense has interchangeable players.

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Following up on Chico's post.
[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Redskins-defensive-staff-taking-pre-draft-road-trip-36980718]Redskins defensive staff taking pre-draft road trip[/url]

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Beasley weighs 246.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/27/report-browns-have-been-in-touch-with-washington-about-no-5-overall-pick/]Report: Browns have been in touch with Washington about No. 5 overall pick | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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it would be nice to pick up their 12th and 19th picks.....but that might be a bit much

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I'll take their #12 and their second and both their 4ths.

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[quote=Hog1;1111702]it would be nice to pick up their 12th and 19th picks.....but that might be a bit much[/quote]

To jump to 5? 12 and 19 and additional picks most likely

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I could be reading the value chart wrong.....but
Our pick is worth 1700

Cleveland 12th 1200
Cleveland 19th 875

Unless they are All in on this, we would be a little over the chart value if we get their 2 firsts
What AW suggested appears to be more of a straight up deal, but you never know how.....bad they might want to do this deal.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1111705]I'll take their #12 and their second and both their 4ths.[/quote]

I will take it.... FYI Scot McCloughan said today he would like to have 10 picks in the draft

Shane Ray should be there at #12

[url=http://www.campussports.net/report-shane-ray-cited-for-marijuana-possession/]Report: Shane Ray cited for marijuana possession - Campus Sports Net[/url]