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Alright, I understanding doing your due diligence and all of that, but I'm starting to see that it really isn't about doing your due diligence as much as it's the Redskins brass not being able to sell the job to these candidates. We can kid ourselves all the want and think the front office is just wanting to make sure they get it right, but it really isn't up to them. It's up to the candidates. In this situation, it's the candidates with the upper hand and the ones having to "think it over". Come on, what's to think over with a guy like Gus Bradley, Mike Pettine, or Wade Phillips? Nothing. All have been very successful as defensive coordinators, all have head coaching experience. You hire the first one that says I DO!

Look at what Wade Phillips said. He didn't think the Redskins had enough talent on defense. He might be right, but that is when the front office says, "[I]It looks like we're short on talent on defense, but we do have a good core group of guys to build around that I think you can get excited about. These guys are smart and hungry, and they're very receptive to coaching and wanting to be led by someone who can maximize their talents. Scot is going to be focusing much of his attention in this offseason on bringing in some solid guys who are going to upgrade our defense. We know you are the guy who can maximize the talent we provide you. We truly believe you're our missing piece to the puzzle![/I]"

These candidates are looking at the situation and seeing that there is a fourth year head coach who could be on the hot seat if the season isn't going any better than the previous, that there is a lack of talent on defense, and that if the head coach is fired at the end of this season, he's probably one and done.

While we as fans look at our team in a more optimistic light and think this is a perfect opportunity for a DC to want to be in, the truth is, it doesn't look very rosy for the candidates. Our front office needs to be diligent, but they need to also work fast and pretty much be willing to move the sun and moon for these guys to get them in. One more day of not naming a new defensive coordinator makes me think we will wind up promoting Greg Manusky, and while that might wind up turning out better than I expect, I don't believe this is the right time for Jay Gruden and the Redskins to be taking a chance on a guy who hasn't had much success as a DC.

And on top of that, our offensive coaches are starting to get raided. We can't allow Coach Callahan to get snatched from us - he's done a great job with our offensive line. The Redskins need to brace for an exodus of coaches if they want to follow McVay, so the Redskins need to get a deal done with a DC.

Looks like Pettine is about the only guy left.

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We need to wrap up Gus Bradley and be done with it.

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The thing that strikes me is we are taking our time and doing our due diligence yet the coordinator market is moving quickly thanks to new coaches assembling their staff. Add in the fact that we are stuck with a head coach moving into a crucial year with minimal job security and we're already at a disadvantage compared to new coaches. He needs to pick up the pace. We're in FA for coaches right now.

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I wonder if they've satisfied the Rooney Rule yet. Have to do that with coordinator positions.

They were granted permission to interview Wilks but I don't know if it has happened.

Need to get that interview done. I don't know how the Rams locked down Phillips so fast after hiring McVay, I really don't see how they couldn't have violated the Rooney Rule.

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[quote=Schneed10;1162747]I wonder if they've satisfied the Rooney Rule yet. Have to do that with coordinator positions.

They were granted permission to interview Wilks but I don't know if it has happened.

Need to get that interview done. I don't know how the Rams locked down Phillips so fast after hiring McVay, I really don't see how they couldn't have violated the Rooney Rule.[/quote]

I was wondering that myself. Maybe it's different rules if coordinators are making lateral moves?

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I just saw Wilks got the Panthers DC job, so if they didn't interview him they better interview a different minority coordinator. Hopefully they already have and we just don't know it.

No, lateral moves don't affect anything. You must interview a minority candidate.

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[quote=Schneed10;1162751]I just saw Wilks got the Panthers DC job, so if they didn't interview him they better interview a different minority coordinator. Hopefully they already have and we just don't know it.

No, lateral moves don't affect anything. You must interview a minority candidate.[/quote]

I can't help but wonder if the NFL isn't enforcing the Rooney Rule anymore, seems like a lot of coaches have been hired this year without interviewing a minority candidate first.

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can we offer the job to bradley and see what he says?

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The NFL has indeed expanded the Rooney Rule to apply to coordinator positions. It’s unclear whether teams are complying.

While not a formal requirement, it’s a “[I]recommended best practice[/I]” that teams “[I]consider a diverse group of candidates[/I]” when hiring a coordinator.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/10/its-unclear-whether-all-teams-are-complying-with-enhanced-rooney-rule/]It’s unclear whether all teams are complying with enhanced Rooney Rule | ProFootballTalk[/url]


Whether teams are complying isn’t clear, because not every team is applying transparency to the process of searching for coordinators. [U][B]Washington, which has been announcing its interviews for the position of defensive coordinator, has interviewed at least one minority candidate. [/B][/U]The Browns, who hired defensive coordinator Gregg Williams to replace Ray Horton, have not responded to an inquiry from PFT regarding whether one or more minority candidates were considered. (The NFL referred PFT to the Browns on the question of whether the search complied with the “recommended best practice.”)

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From that article:

[QUOTE]Again, the expansion of the rule to coordinator hires is not a requirement; it’s merely a best practice. If teams aren’t complying, they won’t be punished.[/QUOTE]

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I don't even know why we have the Rooney Rule or why it is expanded to coordinator hires if it's not going to be enforced. Waste of time.

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Agreed. Stupid. Clearly just putting on airs.

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Of course I don't think the rule should exist in the first place, but let's not turn this into a debate about affirmative action. We're going to let me voice my opinion on the matter and let that be the end of it.

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I believe Wilks already interviewed. It was reported on NFL.com earlier this week, but it is not there now...

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talk of wade.......but never wade[IMG]http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/t_in_content_image/sofw69a7bmrvljlttd8g.jpg[/IMG]

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Don't be surprised if Manusky is our next DC and Ron Jeremy (Jim Tomsula) gets hired as a DL coach.

From Matt Barrows (covers the 49ers)

Am told former #49ers HC Jim Tomsula is on Washington's radar as that team fills out its coaching staff. Tomsula was out of football in '16.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1162791]Don't be surprised if Manusky is our next DC and Ron Jeremy (Jim Tomsula) gets hired as a DL coach.

From Matt Barrows (covers the 49ers)

Am told former #49ers HC Jim Tomsula is on Washington's radar as that team fills out its coaching staff. Tomsula was out of football in '16.[/quote]

Which will confirm my biggest fears. Neither Bradley nor Pettine wants to come here and we have no choice but to promote from within and hire guys who couldn't get hired last year. This is horrible.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1162791]Don't be surprised if Manusky is our next DC and Ron Jeremy (Jim Tomsula) gets hired as a DL coach.

From Matt Barrows (covers the 49ers)

Am told former #49ers HC Jim Tomsula is on Washington's radar as that team fills out its coaching staff. Tomsula was out of football in '16.[/quote]

Tomsula might be a good d-line coach, but Manusky as coordinator reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally stretches my faith in Jay. No idea how a retread like that would even be in consideration. If they get the job/s it would take a major infusion of talent for me to even be confident about next year. The fact that Wade had concerns about our talent and we think we're a couple pieces away tells me they are looking for a guy who also thinks we're a couple pieces away. My long term outlook would be very poor if that's the case.

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[quote=mooby;1162793]Tomsula might be a good d-line coach, but Manusky as coordinator reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally stretches my faith in Jay. No idea how a retread like that would even be in consideration. If they get the job/s it would take a major infusion of talent for me to even be confident about next year. The fact that Wade had concerns about our talent and we think we're a couple pieces away tells me they are looking for a guy who also thinks we're a couple pieces away. My long term outlook would be very poor if that's the case.[/quote]

Manusky did a great job here in SF, unfortunately the offense sucked. I saw what he did here and I think he's as good as Bradley and Pettine. He has played for Richie Petitbone, is a former player (the other 2 aren't) dude is fucking intense and would probably jump on the field. Tomsula is a solid DL coach who did a great job and got him promoted to HC (he didn't do well there). I wouldn't have a problem with him as our DC. Vrabel would be my #1 choice and he's very much like Manusky.

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I would be encouraged about Manusky and I might be the only one. He has experience, he did great with Scot when he was on the 49ers.

He also had the best group of our defense. The Linebackers all improved and he got the best out of mediocre unit between Foster and Will Compton.

We really need an experienced defensive coordinator coming in. I think bringing in another guy doing his first or second round as a DC is a bit risky.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1162797]Manusky did a great job here in SF, unfortunately the offense sucked. I saw what he did here and I think he's as good as Bradley and Pettine. He has played for Richie Petitbone, is a former player (the other 2 aren't) dude is fucking intense and would probably jump on the field. Tomsula is a solid DL coach who did a great job and got him promoted to HC (he didn't do well there). I wouldn't have a problem with him as our DC. Vrabel would be my #1 choice and he's very much like Manusky.[/QUOTE]


We probably need to get used to the idea of Mansuky, because I feel he's probably going to be promoted.


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[quote=Bucket;1162798]I would be encouraged about Manusky and I might be the only one. He has experience, he did great with Scot when he was on the 49ers.

He also had the best group of our defense. The Linebackers all improved and he got the best out of mediocre unit between Foster and Will Compton.

We really need an experienced defensive coordinator coming in. I think bringing in another guy doing his first or second round as a DC is a bit risky.[/quote]

Bucket I don't want to rain on your parade but he was outside linebackers coach only, Kirk Olivadotti is the inside 'backers coach.

2nd point:

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/ManuGr0.htm]Greg Manusky Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

His defensive stats are unimpressive. You guys might remember those San Fran defenses as great, but the rankings don't lie. Yeah I know rankings don't tell the whole story, but other than two years where his San Fran defenses were top 10 in points everything else is average to mediocre. And he's never been top 10 in yards. Other than 1 year he's been average to mediocre in takeaways.

We have an opportunity to bring in coaches who not only have the stats to back it up, they also can elevate the players through their teaching and keeping the scheme simple enough that players don't have to think. Why settle for less?

I don't need to hear about energy and passion, we rode that train with Joe Barry. I'm beginning to suspect that was the whole reason he was hired, he was young, and full of energy. He certainly didn't have the resume for the job.

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[quote=metalskins;1162792]Which will confirm my biggest fears. Neither Bradley nor Pettine wants to come here and we have no choice but to promote from within and hire guys who couldn't get hired last year. This is horrible.[/quote]

Sadly, Washington inside the coaching circles isn't looked at as a good place to go. Guys like Phillips or Bradley probably have options and will go elsewhere. But Pettine was out of coaching last year. I'm sure he'd take the DC job in a heartbeat.

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[quote=mooby;1162803]

...

2nd point:

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/ManuGr0.htm]Greg Manusky Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

His defensive stats are unimpressive. You guys might remember those San Fran defenses as great, but the rankings don't lie. ...
[/quote]

Mooby- thanks for posting those stats- they do not look very impressive.

I'd be happy with Pettine, because defenses get better quickly under him. That's a sign of better coaching of similar talent to me.

Somebody mentioned that maybe we're waiting for a coach on a playoff team- that could make sense. The 'skins seem to be dragging their feet & maybe that's the reason.

I think we've poached everyone from Tampa by now, so maybe we're waiting on the "ball boy" in Seattle- my sources tell me that he has a lot of energy.

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Manusky will be a fine D coordinator!! all these big names out there but i will tell you that New england would hire from within.. I hope they do go with manusky.

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As far I am concerned Manusky was part of the 28th rank defense disaster. Him being hired as DC would make me think we still have a bad reputation among coaches. I want Pettine.

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Mike Vrabel interviews Monday for DC

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[quote=Irrefutable;1162848]Mike Vrabel interviews Monday for DC[/quote]

Excellent candidate! We'll see what happens.

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1162848]Mike Vrabel interviews Monday for DC[/QUOTE]
Has he been a DC?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1162850]Has he been a DC?

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no

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Vrabel[/url]

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Is there a link or article about the upcoming interview?

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[quote=Irrefutable;1162848]Mike Vrabel interviews Monday for DC[/quote]

That's my pick

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So what's the deal with Vrabel? I didn't watch Hard Knocks.

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Vrabel was another one of my favs from Hard Knocks. I'm not sure I care if he hasn't been a DC before. He was a very smart heady player. Since he's been coaching he seems to really be a great teacher. He also comes from two winning programs in NE and Ohio State. He played under BB and Crennel and those guys know how to make in game adjustments. Also the Texans play really good tough defense, even without Watt. I don't think this would be a good hire, this would be a great hire. We need guys like this in the building. He would bring a winning culture and command respect. Get it done Jay.

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[quote=MTK;1162856]So what's the deal with Vrabel? I didn't watch Hard Knocks.[/quote]

What really stood out with me was how he teaches guys the small things. I have no doubt that one of the reasons Clowney has finally reached his potential is because of Vrabel.

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I don't see any mention by Keim or any link about a Vrabel interview. Got one?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1162864]I don't see any mention by Keim or any link about a Vrabel interview. Got one?[/quote]

I'm still waiting to see a link too, been googling it a while now

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[url]https://twitter.com/coorc5/status/820697733400932352[/url]

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[quote=Irrefutable;1162879][url]https://twitter.com/coorc5/status/820697733400932352[/url][/quote]

Nice!! Thank you!!

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Fake, that's not the real Adam Schefter