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[quote=53Fan;1168836]TJ Watt Highlights

[url]https://youtu.be/5uEp6aW5bH4[/url][/quote]

Watt...ive heard that name somewhere before :)

I think he's a 3rd round type pick...not a bad player

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[quote=Chico23231;1168837]Watt...ive heard that name somewhere before :)

I think he's a 3rd round type pick...not a bad player[/quote]

He can play inside or outside. Walters ranks him as the #3 ILB. I'd like to get him, but like you said, maybe around the 3rd round. Speaking of LB's, every time I see Reuben Foster's highlights, I drool a little bit and when he hits someone I feel like I have a concussion. If he's still there at 17 I'd take him in a heartbeat.

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/redskins-draft-countdown-will-some-red-flags-push-alabama-lb-reuben-foster-pick]Redskins draft countdown: Will some red flags push Alabama LB Reuben Foster to pick No. 17? | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url]

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I'm speechless. If talent were a disease this is one sick MFer!

[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Redskins-2017-NFL-Draft-profile-Florida-State-RB-Dalvin-Cook-52139301]Redskins 2017 NFL Draft profile: Florida State RB Dalvin Cook[/url]

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[quote=53Fan;1168951]I'm speechless. If talent were a disease this is one sick MFer!

[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Redskins-2017-NFL-Draft-profile-Florida-State-RB-Dalvin-Cook-52139301]Redskins 2017 NFL Draft profile: Florida State RB Dalvin Cook[/url][/quote]

As a FSU fan, I got to see a lot of those live (on tv) and he's just a special player. I think he's most talented player in the draft. If he's there at 17 there's no reason why you couldn't justify taking him.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1168957]As a FSU fan, I got to see a lot of those live (on tv) and he's just a special player. I think he's most talented player in the draft. If he's there at 17 there's no reason why you couldn't justify taking him.[/quote]

What's the story on his supposed fumbling problem? As you know, if you can't secure the ball, then you can't last in the NFL.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1168988]What's the story on his supposed fumbling problem? As you know, if you can't secure the ball, then you can't last in the NFL.[/quote]

I don't think he has a fumbling problem. For example, 1 fumble was just not focusing as he ran towards the end zone, he accidently dropped the ball putting it in his other hand. Watch the highlights, he has great hands too. Premier 3 down back in the NFL. He'll be at least as good as Elliot imho.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1169010]I don't think he has a fumbling problem. For example, 1 fumble was just not focusing as he ran towards the end zone, he accidently dropped the ball putting it in his other hand. Watch the highlights, he has great hands too. Premier 3 down back in the NFL. He'll be at least as good as Elliot imho.[/quote]

Call me crazy but I think he could be better than Elliott. This guy has a 2nd gear that is unbelievable! He's very capable of taking it to the house from our own 5 yard line. Amazing!

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he looks extremely talented, i don't like what i saw @ 2:33, though.

he took a terrible angle on the way to the end zone, essentially cutting the distance for the trailing defender instead of extending the distance. the defender was able to bring him down before he scored.

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[quote=los panda;1169012]he looks extremely talented, i don't like what i saw @ 2:33, though.

he took a terrible angle on the way to the end zone, essentially cutting the distance for the trailing defender instead of extending the distance. the defender was able to bring him down before he scored.[/quote]

at least the defender [I]had[/I] to chase him down...... think about that for awhile.

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[quote=Meks;1169013]at least the defender [I]had[/I] to chase him down...... think about that for awhile.[/quote]

if i think about it for awhile as a negative nancy, i think:
[LIST=1][*]he had a huge hole to run through[*]he was barely touched as he got into the open[*]he took the wrong angle[*]he almost ran into the ref for no apparent reason[*]a much faster player caught him from behind[/LIST]

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[quote=los panda;1169012]he looks extremely talented, i don't like what i saw @ 2:33, though.

he took a terrible angle on the way to the end zone, essentially cutting the distance for the trailing defender instead of extending the distance. the defender was able to bring him down before he scored.[/quote]

Well screw him then. He's obviously not very good. C'mon Panda. Did you see how many times he broke tackles and took the ball 50,60,70 yards? The defense would have to watch this guy constantly. Imagine the play action off having him in the backfield. And look how many times he took great angles away from the pursuit and had them falling on their ass.

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[quote=53Fan;1169018]Well screw him then. He's obviously not very good. C'mon Panda. Did you see how many times he broke tackles and took the ball 50,60,70 yards? The defense would have to watch this guy constantly. Imagine the play action off having him in the backfield. And look how many times he took great angles away from the pursuit and had them falling on their ass.[/quote]

i thought i covered that w "extremely talented".

it wouldn't chap my ass if we grabbed him at 17, but i have a feeling he may not be there at 17.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1168957]As a FSU fan, I got to see a lot of those live (on tv) and he's just a special player. I think he's most talented player in the draft. If he's there at 17 there's no reason why you couldn't justify taking him.[/quote]

He was arrested 4 times.

[url=http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/13234576/dalvin-cook-florida-state-seminoles-faces-battery-charge]Dalvin Cook of Florida State Seminoles faces battery charge[/url]

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I think he's gone by 17 for sure. And I hope we go D there... bPA im not opposed to, I just hope it's a Def player

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[quote=Irrefutable;1169020]He was arrested 4 times.

[url=http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/13234576/dalvin-cook-florida-state-seminoles-faces-battery-charge]Dalvin Cook of Florida State Seminoles faces battery charge[/url][/quote]

He punched her several times and her bottom lip was split and her nose was "sore"? Right before payday. I have my doubts about this but if it's true I wouldn't even sign him as an undrafted free agent.

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[QUOTE=Meks;1169023]I think he's gone by 17 for sure. And I hope we go D there... bPA im not opposed to, I just hope it's a Def player[/QUOTE]



At 17 if we will take bpa on defense. Nobody that good on offense is falling to 17 without a reason, and we cannot afford gambles. Time to pay the piper and draft D in round 1.

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Dalvin Cook is the pick if he is there at 17, but I just don't see Cook getting by Philly.

Right Now at 17 who I want and could qualify as BPA:

Ruben Foster or Dalvin Cook.

Im seeing Leonard Fornette falls in a lot of mock drafts too.

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Malik McDowell. Where's the beef?
Our most gaping hole is right up the damn middle. Has been for three years. This guy is a run stuffer that can also play the pass. He is my choice. He will be the perfect marriage of need plus bpa at 17.

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Dalvin Cook is off my imaginary draft board.

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[quote=punch it in;1169032]Malik McDowell. Where's the beef?
Our most gaping hole is right up the damn middle. Has been for three years. This guy is a run stuffer that can also play the pass. He is my choice. He will be the perfect marriage of need plus bpa at 17.[/quote]

McDowell has all the measurable things you want - in a 3-4 DE, not a nose. Also, he's been known to take off plays. I don't like that. Even so, I think the Skins would probably consider him at #17 as a DE..

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[quote=punch it in;1169032]Malik McDowell. Where's the beef?
Our most gaping hole is right up the damn middle. Has been for three years. This guy is a run stuffer that can also play the pass. He is my choice. He will be the perfect marriage of need plus bpa at 17.[/quote]

McDowell had 34 tackles including [B][COLOR="Red"]1.5 sacks[/COLOR][/B] in 2016. Almost 1/3 of his tackles were against Northwestern.

He looks like tarzan and plays like jane. The Redskins can do much better @ #17.

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1169047]McDowell had 34 tackles including [B][COLOR="Red"]1.5 sacks[/COLOR][/B] in 2016. Almost 1/3 of his tackles were against Northwestern.



He looks like tarzan and plays like jane. The Redskins can do much better @ #17.[/QUOTE]



This is so far off base. He missed 3 or 4 games first of all. Second of all he went up against a number of very good tackles throughout the year in the big ten. You cannot base his performance on tackles. He played all over the line (super versatile) and was a disruptive force against the run and the pass.

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[quote=punch it in;1169048]This is so far off base. He missed 3 or 4 games first of all. Second of all he went up against a number of very good tackles throughout the year in the big ten. You cannot base his performance on tackles. He played all over the line (super versatile) and was a disruptive force against the run and the pass.[/quote]

so he is going to play against weaker competition in the NFL than the B1G ?

And a 6'6" "disruptive force " should have a least 1 PD, or 1 FF, or 1 Fumble recovered. Stats do not lie.

[url=http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/malik_mcdowell_913712.html]Malik McDowell Bio - Michigan State Official Athletic Site[/url]

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1169050]so he is going to play against weaker competition in the NFL than the B1G ?



And a 6'6" "disruptive force " should have a least 1 PD, or 1 FF, or 1 Fumble recovered.



[url=http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/malik_mcdowell_913712.html]Malik McDowell Bio - Michigan State Official Athletic Site[/url][/QUOTE]



Huh? No. But if you are looking at his college career than you take stock in his competition. He went up against a lot of the better tackles in the country.
He suffered an ankle injury midway through the season, but I get it you think he is Jane. Lol.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1169037]McDowell has all the measurable things you want - in a 3-4 DE, not a nose. Also, he's been known to take off plays. I don't like that. Even so, I think the Skins would probably consider him at #17 as a DE..[/QUOTE]


He has. However he also had the ankle injury midway thru - couple that with the fear of ruining your future and a shit season for MSU and it is easy to see why. It is certainly not a plus, but maybe he is a totally different pro?

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Do you guys think Fournette, Cook and Mccaffrey will all be gone in the first round?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1169107]Do you guys think Fournette, Cook and Mccaffrey will all be gone in the first round?[/quote]

All will be first round picks. But not all will be gone by the time it gets to us.

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[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;1169107]Do you guys think Fournette, Cook and Mccaffrey will all be gone in the first round?[/QUOTE]



Yes. I think all three will be there at 17 too.

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Fournette is the only one I would take at 17.
Otherwise I would go defense.
There are a lot of BPA style guys that can be defensive stars.

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[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;1169110]Fournette is the only one I would take at 17.

Otherwise I would go defense.

There are a lot of BPA style guys that can be defensive stars.[/QUOTE]



If it weren't for Cooks bullshit off the field I would say the same thing about him. Except I want them to go defense regardless. I just think Cook is going to be a stud. Unless he can't get his head on straight.

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[quote=punch it in;1169053]He has. However he also had the ankle injury midway thru - couple that with the fear of ruining your future and a shit season for MSU and it is easy to see why. It is certainly not a plus, but maybe he is a totally different pro?[/quote]

Bucky Brooks of the NFL network called McDowell the #1 boom or bust prospect in the draft yesterday. - he takes plays off- and frequently is not in the picture on tape.....quits, instead of pursuing the ball

to big of a risk at #17

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[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/30851/christian-mccaffreys-visit-with-redskins-spurs-thoughts-of-enhanced-attack]Christian McCaffrey visit stirs thoughts of enhanced Redskins offense - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

McCaffrey is visiting. Great article by Keim

highlights:

He could be an excellent complement to both Kelley and Chris Thompson. McCaffrey is bigger than Thompson and faster and quicker than Kelley. He’s also more versatile, with an ability to run routes from the slot or out wide. It’s one thing to line up out there; it’s another to run good routes from multiple spots. That’s what separates McCaffrey

When Thompson enters the game, defenses almost always are in a sub package. With McCaffrey, the Redskins could regulate a defense, keeping it in a base look by using a two-tight end, two-receiver set. They could then create mismatches in the passing game with these targets: McCaffrey, tight ends Jordan Reed and Vernon Davis and receivers Jamison Crowder and Terrelle Pryor (or Josh Doctson).

CBS Sports draft analyst Dane Brugler compared McCaffrey to ex-Eagles running back Brian Westbrook. Their dimensions are almost identical (McCaffrey is an inch taller; Westbrook was a pound heavier). Another name that I’ve heard, in terms of how McCaffrey should be used: Reggie Bush. A swiss-army knife back, but perhaps not great as just a runner.

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[quote=punch it in;1169109]Yes. I think all three will be there at 17 too.[/quote]

Not Fournette. He is the only one of the three who could be a true feature back. A team that wants to emphasize the run will snatch him up early.

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[quote=Chico23231;1169115][url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/30851/christian-mccaffreys-visit-with-redskins-spurs-thoughts-of-enhanced-attack]Christian McCaffrey visit stirs thoughts of enhanced Redskins offense - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

McCaffrey is visiting. Great article by Keim

highlights:

He could be an excellent complement to both Kelley and Chris Thompson. McCaffrey is bigger than Thompson and faster and quicker than Kelley. He’s also more versatile, with an ability to run routes from the slot or out wide. It’s one thing to line up out there; it’s another to run good routes from multiple spots. That’s what separates McCaffrey

When Thompson enters the game, defenses almost always are in a sub package. With McCaffrey, the Redskins could regulate a defense, keeping it in a base look by using a two-tight end, two-receiver set. They could then create mismatches in the passing game with these targets: McCaffrey, tight ends Jordan Reed and Vernon Davis and receivers Jamison Crowder and Terrelle Pryor (or Josh Doctson).

CBS Sports draft analyst Dane Brugler compared McCaffrey to ex-Eagles running back Brian Westbrook. Their dimensions are almost identical (McCaffrey is an inch taller; Westbrook was a pound heavier). Another name that I’ve heard, in terms of how McCaffrey should be used: Reggie Bush. A swiss-army knife back, but perhaps not great as just a runner.[/quote]

He reminds me of Marshall Faulk in his style: quick cuts, keeps his feet moving, breakaway speed, great receiver. And, no, I'm not saying he is a future HOF'er.

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1169113]Bucky Brooks of the NFL network called McDowell the #1 boom or bust prospect in the draft yesterday. - he takes plays off- and frequently is not in the picture on tape.....quits, instead of pursuing the ball



to big of a risk at #17[/QUOTE]



KI mentioned it. Same response I gave him. When you have an injury, know you are a first round pick, and play on a crappy team - u are not going to give it ur all. See 2015 for this guys true performance capabilities.

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1169113]Bucky Brooks of the NFL network called McDowell the #1 boom or bust prospect in the draft yesterday. - he takes plays off- and frequently is not in the picture on tape.....quits, instead of pursuing the ball



to big of a risk at #17[/QUOTE]



What if they traded down - picked up an extra pick and still got him?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1169117]He reminds me of Marshall Faulk in his style: quick cuts, keeps his feet moving, breakaway speed, great receiver. And, no, I'm not saying he is a future HOF'er.[/quote]

I see Brian Westbrook, myself.

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[quote=Schneed10;1169120]I see Brian Westbrook, myself.[/quote]

easily the Eagle player I respected most of all time. I would love to get a similar talent on our side.


I think the key with McCaffery is his hands. Having McCaffery motion in and out the backfield is key. Playing the match up game on first and second downs...making the opponents switch d calls frees up guys like Reed and Crowder to wreak havoc in the middle of the field.

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[quote=Schneed10;1169120]I see Brian Westbrook, myself.[/quote]

Unfortunately he is most likely going to play for Brian's team.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1169117]He reminds me of Marshall Faulk in his style: quick cuts, keeps his feet moving, breakaway speed, great receiver. And, no, I'm not saying he is a future HOF'er.[/quote]

[quote=Schneed10;1169120]I see Brian Westbrook, myself.[/quote]

I'm with you on the Westbrook, a better Danny Woodhead, Reggie Bush, Warrick Dunn but I really see Doug Baldwin, Randall Cobb, Pierre Garcon, Tyrek? Hill....I see a tough WR