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[quote=Giantone;1186471]Seems Trumps Supreme Court Justice just got a history lesson.

Very interesting read,I actually like Gorsuch .



[url]https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/justice-ginsburg-scorns-apos-history-073539309.html[/url][/quote]

Agreed, Gorsuch schooled Ginsburg.

Gorsuch: "The court dismisses this 'history lesson' on the ground that it doesn’t know if Congress had 'the ancient common-law … in mind.' But respect for Congress’s competency means we presume it knows the substance of the state laws it expressly incorporates into its statutes and the common law against which it operates.”

Of course Gorsuch was in the minority in this decision, this is still the Scotus that reinterpreted words like "tax" to uphold the Obamacare mandate. But at least to some justices, words and principles still mean things.

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[quote=Giantone;1186790]Does anyone want to take a shot at this?



[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-apos-refrigerator-upgrade-air-222203328.html[/url]


........and for the Pro trump people(chico)


[url=http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2018/01/26/new-air-force-one-refrigerators-to-cost-nearly-24-million.html]New Air Force One refrigerators to cost nearly $24 million | Fox News[/url][/quote]

Going by the articles logic (which I question): I'd rather Trump pay $24 mil for refrigeration units, than $170 mil to "start on" building a new plane.

But going by giantone's latest article on the Nunes memo, the liberal fake news machine is working overtime now.

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Trump says he'd love to see a shutdown over immigration. While DACA is widely supported by both parties I think he is right, Americans are fed up with federal employees being used as pawns between the two parties. The problem is that if dems don't stand up for DACA now incumbent dems they will lose their leverage going into 2018 primaries. I am okay with that. I have felt the dem leadership has always talked a progressive talk but when it comes down to action they are centrists and give up on liberal ideals and it is time to move left.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1188129]Trump says he'd love to see a shutdown over immigration. While DACA is widely supported by both parties I think he is right, Americans are fed up with federal employees being used as pawns between the two parties. The problem is that if dems don't stand up for DACA now incumbent dems they will lose their leverage going into 2018 primaries. I am okay with that. I have felt the dem leadership has always talked a progressive talk but when it comes down to action they are centrists and give up on liberal ideals and it is time to move left.[/quote]

I still say the Military should be exempt from the shut down and add "ALL" Congressional and House members and employees included in it then see what happens.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1188135]I still say the Military should be exempt from the shut down and add "ALL" Congressional and House members and employees included in it then see what happens.[/QUOTE]Something we can agree on!!

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I am assuming you mean all military staff and not just essential?

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I'm not defending Rob Porter in any way, so please don't say I am. I am curious though if the story is "big enough" to merit non-stop coverage all week?


I didn't put this in the Media Bias thread, because I don't see this one as a CNN or MSNBC bias, they are reporting on a valid story. It's just the amount of tv and website coverage seems excessive - and Fox's was definitely minimal (which certainly is part of their bias).

Please don't bash Fox or praise CNN in any responses, I just want to know if you all personally feel the story was worth the duration and priority given it.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1188247]I'm not defending Rob Porter in any way, so please don't say I am. I am curious though if the story is "big enough" to merit non-stop coverage all week?


I didn't put this in the Media Bias thread, because I don't see this one as a CNN or MSNBC bias, they are reporting on a valid story. It's just the amount of tv and website coverage seems excessive - and Fox's was definitely minimal (which certainly is part of their bias).

Please don't bash Fox or praise CNN in any responses, I just want to know if you all personally feel the story was worth the duration and priority given it.[/quote]

Given the climate that is surrounding us in today's World such as the Weinstein situation it's not unexpected.

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[quote=Giantone;1188252]Given the climate that is surrounding us in today's World such as the Weinstein situation it's not unexpected.[/quote]

I agree. I don't read Fox or CNN so idk what their response to it has been, but given the #metoo movement it seems reportable. Idk if the coverage has been non stop, but then again I only glanced at the one article that said FBI wanted to deny him clearance based off two ex-wives saying he's a wife beater. WH says nah he's fine, Porter resigns to take heat off of WH. Unless I missed something, seems I have the gist of it and it's not by biggest issue by far with the WH so not really something I'm going to pay much attention to unless some new details come out.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1188247]I'm not defending Rob Porter in any way, so please don't say I am. I am curious though if the story is "big enough" to merit non-stop coverage all week?


I didn't put this in the Media Bias thread, because I don't see this one as a CNN or MSNBC bias, they are reporting on a valid story. It's just the amount of tv and website coverage seems excessive - and Fox's was definitely minimal (which certainly is part of their bias).

Please don't bash Fox or praise CNN in any responses, I just want to know if you all personally feel the story was worth the duration and priority given it.[/quote]

What’s your opinion on Trumps response to the Porter situation?

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[QUOTE=jamf;1188290]What’s your opinion on Trumps response to the Porter situation?[/QUOTE]As with most things Trump, he didn't handle it in a politically expedient way. He handled it like a CEO, or the Catholic church with its scandals, which is to say he buried it and tried to protect his guy. Once it became a liability he cut bait.

So with that said the short answer is that with a top security position like that his response was screwed up.

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He handled it like a dummy, let’s call it like it is

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[quote=MTK;1188297]He handled it like a dummy, let’s call it like it is[/quote]

Yeah but Obama probably had a POS on his staff too, so it cancels out.

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So I found a Presidential Poll that trump approves of..................



[url]https://action.donaldjtrump.com/official-february-presidential-approval-poll/?utm_source=twitter_gop_leadgencard&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=20180208__official-feb-approval-poll_gop_tmagac&utm_content=gop_surveys[/url]

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[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-calls-schiff-a-bad-guy-democratic-memo-a-nothing/ar-BBJxBcM?li=BBnb7Kz[/url]

Well this just settles it.

Democrats = doo doo heads
Republicans = good guys.

Thanks for clearing that up President Trump, glad we can count on you!

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[quote=mooby;1189111][url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-calls-schiff-a-bad-guy-democratic-memo-a-nothing/ar-BBJxBcM?li=BBnb7Kz[/url]

Well this just settles it.

Democrats = doo doo heads
Republicans = good guys.

Thanks for clearing that up President Trump, glad we can count on you![/quote]
Funny how this shit always "pops UP" every time the russian investigation makes news,like when there are new indictments or new charges or when former WH people plead guilty of anything.

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He’s still talking about Hilary and the election? FFS

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So, how about the steel and aluminum tariffs? Cred, I'm ignorant, can you tell me who wins in a trade war?

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[QUOTE=mooby;1189960]So, how about the steel and aluminum tariffs? Cred, I'm ignorant, can you tell me who wins in a trade war?[/QUOTE]The US is a huge market with ALOT of sway. I believe that you can best negotiate from a position of strength. With those two points as a base, I think the tariffs gives the US negotiators leverage to get deals, ie revamped NAFTA, that are fairer to US products.

I doubt any country will truly want to engage the US in a severe trade war as both sides would be hurt but I think it's a valid approach to remind other country's with a shot across the bow that the US does have tools at its disposal if countries think they can create unfavorable conditions for US products and sidestep agreements in place, or run up massive trade surpluses with the US.

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So are we in the negotiating phase, or the "it's signed into law, expect retaliatory tariffs" phase?

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[quote=mooby;1189999]So are we in the negotiating phase, or the "it's signed into law, expect retaliatory tariffs" phase?[/quote]

Yahoo news lead headline:
[B]Trump takes the sting out of his tariffs[/B]

It's just not smart to buy into all the media fearmongering that goes on nowadays. Listening to the main media we would have had 3 nuclear wars; to environmental collapses; a stock market drop along the lines of the great depression all in the last 11 months.

Some countries may try to play the retaliatory game, but all the main actors, including Trump and the US, understand that we don't want a full on trade war, anymore than we want an all out nuclear war. The US for the past 12 years has (economically, and I include Bush so it's not just Dem vs Rep) have been tucking our tail trying to be the "better player" while other countries have taken advantage of it. They know they have had much better access to our markets then we have to theirs, and that for the most part that isn't going to change. AND, until India or China become honest players with strong capital purchasers, we are the biggest and best market to sell in. Especially if we also reduce the regulatory state that has been built up in those same last 12 years.

The world isn't going to go into a trade war tailspin, although you may pay more for hangers (my company deals with lots of steel drapery hangers and are directly affected by all the geopolitical games going on right now).

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from the above yahoo headline article:
[url]https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trump-takes-sting-tariffs-202014234.html[/url]

[QUOTE]Trump seeking concessions
The exemptions for Mexico and Canada are contingent on the outcome of efforts to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement, which are underway, with no conclusion imminent. Trump wants concessions from both countries that would boost American-made content in the thousands of products that cross the three nations’ borders every day. Trump may view the exemption from his metal tariffs as a carrot to be dangled during the negotiations, and the threat of ending the exemptions as leverage he can use.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=mooby;1189960]So, how about the steel and aluminum tariffs? Cred, I'm ignorant, can you tell me who wins in a trade war?[/quote]


When the other countries retaliate against us , we will lose. Trump does something stupid like this every time something doesn't go well for him .If not the russian investigation ,Hope Hicks, Gary Cohn, Sam Nunberg , son in-law losing his security clearance , always something.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1190006]When the other countries retaliate against us , we will lose. Trump does something stupid like this every time something doesn't go well for him .If not the russian investigation ,Hope Hicks, Gary Cohn, Sam Nunberg , son in-law losing his security clearance , always something.[/QUOTE][IMG]http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/017/886/download.jpg[/IMG]

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I would like to know more about the break down of the tariffs. Not all aluminum and steel is the same grade. When Trump said he wants the nation's military ships and planes made with American steel well it already is. A tariff isn't going to change that he is just trying to rile up his base. The stuff we import tends to be low grade. I would prefer to import it and keep our high grade stuff for making military planes and not sardine cans. So for me there has to be a difference on the tariffs placed on the raw materials. High tariff on high grade stuff keep the low grade stuff tariff free. Raising the price on steel and aluminum will impact the food purchasing power of our poorest members and I am not cool with that. Even if it is only 2 cents a can as was suggested that adds up.

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Nice to see Trump draining the swamp, getting rid of Tillerson. It's the long-career established politicians like Tillerson that need to go the most.

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[quote=mooby;1190259]Nice to see Trump draining the swamp, getting rid of Tillerson. It's the long-career established politicians like Tillerson that need to go the most.[/quote]

I see what you did there.

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[quote=mooby;1190259]Nice to see Trump draining the swamp, getting rid of Tillerson. It's the long-career established politicians like Tillerson that need to go the most.[/quote]

So ,who is this trump aid that got escorted out of the WH today???



sorry........found him.


John McEntee



[url]https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/13/politics/john-mcentee-white-house-security-clearance/index.html[/url]

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Bro, just because Trump [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Porter"]surrounds[/URL] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McEntee_(political_aide)"]himself[/URL] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Gates_(political_consultant)"]with[/URL] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Manafort"]criminals[/URL], doesn't mean he is one.

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[quote=mooby;1190467]Bro, just because Trump [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Porter"]surrounds[/URL] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McEntee_(political_aide)"]himself[/URL] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Gates_(political_consultant)"]with[/URL] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Manafort"]criminals[/URL], doesn't mean he is one.[/quote]

Well it is either Obama's fault or Hillary's ,the Donald is never wrong.

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Is enough enough when your President admits he openly lied to the Canadian PM about knowing whether or not we have a trade deficit with them?

[url=http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/in-fundraising-speech-trump-says-he-made-up-facts-in-meeting-with-justin-trudeau/ar-BBKeeiY?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=ientp]In fundraising speech, Trump says he made up facts in meeting with Justin Trudeau[/url]

[Quote=Cheeto-in-chief]
“So he’s proud. I said, ‘Wrong Justin, you do.’ I didn’t even know. ... I had no idea. I just said ‘You’re wrong.’ You know why? Because we’re so stupid. … And I thought they were smart. I said, ‘You’re wrong Justin.’ He said, ‘Nope we have no trade deficit.’ I said, ‘Well in that case I feel differently,’ I said ‘but I don’t believe it.’ I sent one of our guys out, his guy, my guy, they went out, I said ‘check because I can’t believe it.’


‘Well sir you’re actually right. We have no deficit but that doesn’t include energy and timber … And when you do we lose $17 billion a year.’ It’s incredible.”

[B]The United States trade representative office says the United States has a trade surplus with Canada.[/B]
[/quote]

Full disclosure, this is a rhetorical question. The left's hatred for the President has only convinced the right to dig in deeper. He can do no wrong (aside from actually following through on gun reform, which the NRA just convinced him is a terrible idea.)

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Evangelicals are apparently ok with Trump’s affair, of course they are

[url]http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2018/03/holy_hypocrisy_evangelical_leaders_say_trumps_stor.html[/url]

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The code says you can sin all you want, you just need to repent Matty. As long as Trump seeks forgiveness in the eyes of the Lord it's all good. Besides, the good Lord blessed Stormy Daniels with a huge set of knockers, who wouldn't be tempted by those?

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[quote=mooby;1190863]The code says you can sin all you want, you just need to repent Matty. As long as Trump seeks forgiveness in the eyes of the Lord it's all good. Besides, the good Lord blessed Stormy Daniels with a huge set of knockers, who wouldn't be tempted by those?[/quote]



Pence?:D

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[quote=Giantone;1190868]Pence?:D[/quote]

See, crap like all this is why Pence tries to avoid putting himself in any compromising position with women, long before #metoo. (and still gets blasted by the Left for that) Literally damned if you do, damned if you don't, by the leftist media.

(edit: Male school teachers have had to work in a similar fashion, for example don't be in a closed room with a female student alone, again long before #metoo. I imagine it happens elsewhere. And I've been told the emphasis is it's not the girls fault, it's bad teachers that have taken advantage of girls before, and less frequently some girls have made false accusations before. So best to avoid that kind of situation entirely.)

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[quote=HailGreen28;1190878]See, crap like all this is why Pence tries to avoid putting himself in any compromising position with women, long before #metoo. (and still gets blasted by the Left for that) Literally damned if you do, damned if you don't, by the leftist media.

(edit: Male school teachers have had to work in a similar fashion, for example don't be in a closed room with a female student alone, again long before #metoo. I imagine it happens elsewhere. And I've been told the emphasis is it's not the girls fault, it's bad teachers that have taken advantage of girls before, and less frequently some girls have made false accusations before. So best to avoid that kind of situation entirely.)[/quote]

I don't dislike Mike Pence because he averts his gaze whenever women are present, I dislike him because he keeps trying to regulate what women are allowed to do with their bodies.

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[quote=mooby;1190885]I don't dislike Mike Pence because he averts his gaze whenever women are present, I dislike him because he keeps trying to regulate what women are allowed to do with their bodies.[/quote]

"Averts his gaze whenever women are present"?

Citation needed.

Again, Pence does his best to avoid crap like this, and still gets all kinds of heat for it from the left. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

And "what women are allowed to do with their bodies", that's a derail of this convo.

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Pence is just fucking weird

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[quote=mooby;1190863]The code says you can sin all you want, you just need to repent Matty. [B]As long as Drumpf seeks forgiveness in the eyes of the Lord it's all good.[/B] Besides, the good Lord blessed Stormy Daniels with a huge set of knockers, who wouldn't be tempted by those?[/quote]

Except for those damn gays. Now THAT'S the real problem with this country.

:banghead: