Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1220803]I wonder if Jay has any pull on who his QB is, I mean this guy has not had much help from the fucking F/O. Let Kirk walk, get Alex who really never fit the system Jay loves to run. Now you go out and trade for a career back-up who had a miracle 2017 season that really was just an Avg year for 90% of the QB's. It seems like they really want to set Jay up for failure. Jay said he knows the urgency in finding a QB, and Bruce says "we are ok with Case and Colt"[/quote]

Finlay said on today's podcast that Jay is feeling the pressure and expects him to unload this year about the player selection and acquisition dysfunction in the front office.

The gist was, if Jay is going out, he isn't going to take the blame for all the FO crap.

Finlay gave crowder as an example. He said Jay wanted to spend the money to keep him as a weapon but was over ruled by the FO.

He also mentioned a little heat with Bruce (of course), but also with Doug. Finlay said Doug is viewed as making personnel decisions without having to worry about the consequences of passing up talent.

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After reading up on the draft QBs, I don't want any of the top 3 anyways. Jones from Duke would be sufficient, or that guy from wv. The other 3 are just as much a gamble at a much higher cost. I really don't know of any other qb in the entire draft that has starting potential other than these top 5

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I also hear Josh Rosen sucks, why else would a losing team that traded up for him give up on him, when his cap is still low after only 10 months this screams to me "bad hire" I don't buy this he would be a top choice stuff. If he was, people would easily give up a high first, especially considering he's a starting nfl qb. Something doesn't add up. Tired of adopting other teams problems and also paying for it financially. I could be wrong and hope I am if the skins get Rosen, but put me in the skeptical as a starter camp.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=skinsnut;1220824]I also hear Josh Rosen sucks, why else would a losing team that traded up for him give up on him, when his cap is still low after only 10 months this screams to me "bad hire" I don't buy this he would be a top choice stuff. If he was, people would easily give up a high first, especially considering he's a starting nfl qb. Something doesn't add up. Tired of adopting other teams problems and also paying for it financially. I could be wrong and hope I am if the skins get Rosen, but put me in the skeptical as a starter camp.[/quote]

Because the team gave up on the Head Coach that drafted him.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=skinsnut;1220824]I also hear Josh Rosen sucks, why else would a losing team that traded up for him give up on him, when his cap is still low after only 10 months this screams to me "bad hire" I don't buy this he would be a top choice stuff. If he was, people would easily give up a high first, especially considering he's a starting nfl qb. Something doesn't add up. Tired of adopting other teams problems and also paying for it financially. I could be wrong and hope I am if the skins get Rosen, but put me in the skeptical as a starter camp.[/quote]

I watched lots of UCLA games and I was never impressed with him. He only won half his starts and seem to make mistakes at the worst possible time. He didn't have many signature wins, but he put up video game numbers against the weaker opponents. Sound familiar? On the other hand it is reported that the Patriots are interested in him and we all know that organization is among the best at evaluating talent. I would definitely trust the Patriot's opinion of Rosen over mine.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=DYoungJelly;1220820]Finlay said on today's podcast that Jay is feeling the pressure and expects him to unload this year about the player selection and acquisition dysfunction in the front office.

The gist was, if Jay is going out, he isn't going to take the blame for all the FO crap.

Finlay gave crowder as an example. He said Jay wanted to spend the money to keep him as a weapon but was over ruled by the FO.

He also mentioned a little heat with Bruce (of course), but also with Doug. Finlay said Doug is viewed as making personnel decisions without having to worry about the consequences of passing up talent.[/quote]

Pretty sure all that info is coming from Chris Russell so take it for what it is.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

Rosen does not suck, he had a horrible cast around him last yr. Is he an Elite QB in the making? Nobody can say yes or no to that but to say he sucks is absurd.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

Not sure where this logic comes from if a player is being traded he must suck.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=MTK;1220833]Not sure where this logic comes from if a player is being traded he must suck.[/quote]

The Giants let Collins walk, so does he suck too?

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1220835]The Giants let Collins walk, so does he suck too?[/quote]

Collins wasn't going to play for rookie contract money, different scenario than Rosen.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=Buffalo Bob;1220836]Collins wasn't going to play for rookie contract money, different scenario than Rosen.[/quote]

But why would they keep Rosen on the bench? Might as well deal him

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[QUOTE=MTK;1220830]Pretty sure all that info is coming from Chris Russell so take it for what it is.[/QUOTE]True he is saying some of it but so are others including Finlay.

And Gruden himself in the press conference at the end of the year said communication between the coaching staff and personnel dept is THE biggest thing that needs to improve.

So yea Russell is a gossip but there are a lot of other factors and comments from others that make that particular nugget believable

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I could see Jay being pissed, and I don't blame him. Bruce is a joke, as is Dan.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1220841]I could see Jay being pissed, and I don't blame him. Bruce is a joke, as is Dan.[/quote]

as is Jay. And Doug.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=MTK;1220833]Not sure where this logic comes from if a player is being traded he must suck.[/quote]

My thinking is if the Cards felt comfortable with him as their long term prospect, their approach would be to trade down and use the draft haul to build the roster.

And after getting hammered behind that line last season, he might be shell-shocked already and I'm not sure we have the right coaching staff to rebuild him.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=mooby;1220843]My thinking is if the Cards felt comfortable with him as their long term prospect, their approach would be to trade down and use the draft haul to build the roster.

And after getting hammered behind that line last season, he might be shell-shocked already and I'm not sure we have the right coaching staff to rebuild him.[/quote]

Maybe they will trade the pick away, who knows.

Or maybe they see Murray as a slam dunk once in a decade type of player. Doesn't mean Rosen is garbage or still can't be a quality player elsewhere.

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[quote=MTK;1220844]Maybe they will trade the pick away, who knows.

Or maybe they see Murray as a slam dunk once in a decade type of player. Doesn't mean Rosen is garbage or still can't be a quality player elsewhere.[/quote]

Also forgot to mention if we trade for Rosen and Gruden gets canned at the end of the year, we're in the same position the Cards are: Either we force Rosen on a new coaching staff that will have to reset him, or the new coaching staff wants to bring in his guy meaning we'd have to sell on Rosen to the highest bidder.

Either way if not Rosen we know they'll make a move, desperation is a stinky cologne and this entire FO stinks right now.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

My gut feeling is Rosen is traded to NY. I don't see the skins offering the 15 pick for him, and maybe not even 46. We have glaring needs at Edge and OL. I think Keenum is the insurance policy for a year, then a Will Grier will take over the reigns. Just my thoughts

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

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For the Rosen doubters

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

So the cards threw some $$ at some point to boost this fool, who cares? Lol... I'm sure he'll end up fine tho.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=Meks;1220850]So the cards threw some $$ at some point to boost this fool, who cares? Lol... I'm sure he'll end up fine tho.[/quote]

LOL have to sell man

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1220794]And even that year he was just avg...[/quote]

98.3 QB rating, 3:1 TD to INT ratio, 67.6% completion pct. I'll take it.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

Moved to new thread.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/how-redskins-emerged-front-runners-trade-josh-rosen[/url]

Every Redskins fan should not be surprised at all on this, Rosen has been talked about since Kliff got the job in AZ. We all knew the skins would be serious players and it appears that they are the main player at this point

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=MTK;1220833]Not sure where this logic comes from if a player is being traded he must suck.[/quote]

When was the last time a QB drafted in the top 10 in the prior year was traded away? I am curious if this has ever happened before....and for a lesser value?

This is where the logic comes from.
Quality QB's appreciate in value, bad ones decline.
I don't know if he sucks or not...all I know is a team is giving up on a QB after a single season, not usually a good indicator that they are amazingly impressed....especially if there isn't a single team willing to pay even a first for a top 10 pick PLUS a year of NFL starting experience.

There is something definately wrong here. I just don't know what it is, and no one else does either, except the Cards.

Of course, the Skins could get lucky :) .....We have been waiting for that day for a long time for QB (except RG3 rookie). I think we did get lucky in the last 2 drafts with DL though.....perhaps it happens again?

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Teams do dumb stuff all the time, the Cardinals aren’t exactly a model franchise


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For the Rosen doubters[/quote]

I must have been the only one who watched him as winning half his games and not getting any signature wins at UCLA. People are too enamored with the numbers he put up.

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I'm far from a Rosen fan but given our history of using 2nd rounders in the draft I'd be fine with giving up a 2nd rounder + conditional for Rosen, esp. if we traded down from 15 to recoup a pick or so to help make up for it.

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The thought of 16 games of Colt/Keenum is pretty uninspiring. With Rosen at least he gives us a shot of something to build on for the future.


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[quote=MTK;1221125]The thought of 16 games of [B]Colt/Keenum [/B]is pretty uninspiring. With Rosen at least he gives us a shot of something to build on for the future.


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Is that in alphabetical order or are you picking Colt as the starter?

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1221127]Is that in alphabetical order or are you picking Colt as the starter?[/QUOTE]



Does it matter? Both are likely to play at some point and will yield similar results.


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[quote=MTK;1221125]The thought of 16 games of Colt/Keenum is pretty uninspiring. With Rosen at least he gives us a shot of something to build on for the future.


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Rather have a (wishful thinking) solid contributer (for the future as well) drafted in Rd 2 than rosen. Build for next year and draft your potential future qb then.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=Meks;1221133]Rather have a (wishful thinking) solid contributer (for the future as well) drafted in Rd 2 than rosen. Build for next year and draft your potential future qb then.[/quote]

We cannot guarantee that we will be at a spot to draft Tua or any other highly-rated QB next year, therefore we should prepare as if we will not have an opportunity to draft one unless we trade up.

Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

If you have the chance to get a young QB you believe in go get him... now


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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1221127]Is that in alphabetical order or are you picking Colt as the starter?[/quote]


[quote=MTK;1221128]Does it matter? Both are likely to play at some point and will yield similar results.


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I think Keenum is better than Colt, not by a whole lot. I don't think Colt could even lead a stacked team to the play-offs. Unless the Redskins get some major upgrades on offense I think Colt would go 2-14 and Keenum 4-12.

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Colt and Case are the same freakin' guy. I do think if Colt could string together 16 straight starts he would put up some decent numbers. He could probably get upper 20's as far as TD's passes. His issues are turnovers, sacks and health.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

Keep in mind Colt and Case will be free agents in 2020. And FA QBs are expensive. So, they need a QB in 2019 and 2020 drafts.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

I also find it odd keenum has not acknowledged being a redskin yet. [emoji848].

Side note.

Let's get the Rosen deal done tomorrow. Its bound to happen regardless

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1221155]I also find it odd keenum has not acknowledged being a redskin yet. [emoji848].

Side note.

Let's get the Rosen deal done tomorrow. Its bound to happen regardless

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That’s just a blatantly ignorant statement. You reveal yourself as just not up on the Redskins with bullshit like that. Are you a poser fan or should I give you another chance?

[url]https://sports.yahoo.com/case-keenum-rocks-fresh-redskins-231849870.html[/url]

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10;1221157]That’s just a blatantly ignorant statement. You reveal yourself as just not up on the Redskins with bullshit like that. Are you a poser fan or should I give you another chance?



[url]https://sports.yahoo.com/case-keenum-rocks-fresh-redskins-231849870.html[/url][/QUOTE]I'm on the edge of my seat waiting to see if Okie's response is acceptable to his majesty.

Please God, placate him or he might... say something else dickish on a forum.

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