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[quote=SunnySide;1245113]I dont think even the mighty USA can go an unilaterally enforce a no fly zone in a foreign country .. restricting that country from flying in their own air space. Russia already buzzes our guys when we are flying in international air space.

No way Russia and Syria would have abided by it, creates way to many instances where "something" could happen. A no fly zone sounded nice but I dont think it would be realistic.

Arming the kurds - I feel like we did but said we were only sending defensive material and not tanks etc but we hooked them up as much as we could. They had those shoulder launcher things to take down helicopters and tanks. Turkey and the Kurds is a delicate relationship and I think we did have to balance helping the Kurds fight ISIS while also limiting the disdain from Turkey.

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Middle east diplomacy? I dont think there are any "best case" scenarios re diplomacy. You could argue pros and cons for no fly zone or complete pull out or maintaining a monitor presence. All would be right but also wrong.

Damned if you, damned if you dont.[/quote]

Ohhh you are assuming Russia would have come any way? Really? The Obama doctrine of strength wouldn’t have kept the Russians Out? Also Russia wasn’t what kept Syria from hanging on, it was Iran doing constant flying in arms and reinforcements....something the no fly zone would have kept out. Especially after Iraq refused to let them reinforce over their country.

But why are you choosing to speak about the Syrian situation now, say post 2016. Why don’t you address it from the beginning where the policy laid the foundation of failure?

Obama completely fucked up Syria situation.

And if you want to talk Russia, let’s talk about the Obama administration and their constant ass kicking Putin gave Obama. It’s like trump never gave Ukraine lethal arms support, killed Russian troops in Syria and imposed sanctions on Russia

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[quote=Chico23231;1245118]Ohhh you are assuming Russia would have come always? Really? The Obama doctrine of strength wouldn’t have kept the
Out? Also Russia wasn’t what kept Syria from hanging on, it was Iran doing constant flying in arms and reinforcements....

But why are you choosing to speak about the Syrian situation now, say post 2016. Why don’t you address it from the beginning where the policy laid the foundation of failure?

Obama completely fucked up Syria situation.[/quote]

My memory (without re-reading the hundreds of articles ive read over the past years) was that Al-Assad was very close to be thrown out until the last minute when Russia provided air cover and that drastically changed things.

im talking about Syria now ... because it is now. In 2016, I was talking about Syria .. in 2016. Not sure if i follow.

Obama and the US didnt want to get sucked into another objectiveless occupation like Iraq and Afgahnistan. I prefer that policy, so does your boy Trump.

if Obama went hard and bombed Syria and demanded no fly zones etc and something happened, people like you Chico would be screaming bloody murder. Obama went de-escalate and people like you are screaming.

Chico - im projecting here but I think you would attack any position Obama or any Dem took or takes. its okay though, there are many people on the left who have their "hate blinders" on as well and will scream at any little thing Trump or republicans do.

and now i find myself attacking another american for their political belief system and I feel like an asshole bc I try really hard not to judge others.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1245118]Ohhh you are assuming Russia would have come always? Really? The Obama doctrine of strength wouldn’t have kept the

Out? Also Russia wasn’t what kept Syria from hanging on, it was Iran doing constant flying in arms and reinforcements....something the no fly zone would have kept out. Especially after Iraq refused to let them reinforce over their country.



But why are you choosing to speak about the Syrian situation now, say post 2016. Why don’t you address it from the beginning where the policy laid the foundation of failure?



Obama completely fucked up Syria situation.



And if you want to talk Russia, let’s talk about the Obama administration and their constant ass kicking Putin gave Obama. It’s like trump never gave Ukraine lethal arms support, killed Russian troops in Syria and imposed sanctions on Russia[/QUOTE]I think you are making assumptions about sunny. He wasn't slamming Trump (I don't think) or rushing to Obama's praise.

Moreso he was, again I think, pointing out how the media and politicians pick and choose their story of the day.

It is a truly sad thing to see these refugees and know that they are suffering partially because US policy in the mideast for so long has been a mess. Backing then not backing, encouraging popular uprisings then watching them get pounded back into submission. We as a nation can not be everywhere, and when our leaders think we can, bad things end up happening to the people on the ground.

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The middle east is and will always be a fucking disaster. There are no good options. No matter what choices are made, by either side, there will be criticisms of the action taken.

As there are no good options, I vote to stay the fuck out and keep moving towards energy independence by all means available.

No more nation building.

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[quote=Chico23231;1245118]Ohhh you are assuming Russia would have come any way? Really? The Obama doctrine of strength wouldn’t have kept the Russians Out? Also Russia wasn’t what kept Syria from hanging on, it was Iran doing constant flying in arms and reinforcements....something the no fly zone would have kept out. Especially after Iraq refused to let them reinforce over their country.

But why are you choosing to speak about the Syrian situation now, say post 2016. Why don’t you address it from the beginning where the policy laid the foundation of failure?

Obama completely fucked up Syria situation.

And if you want to talk Russia, let’s talk about the Obama administration and their constant ass kicking Putin gave Obama. It’s like trump never gave Ukraine lethal arms support, killed Russian troops in Syria and imposed sanctions on Russia[/quote]

I agree. Obama fucked up the Syria situation.

Now what?

How do you fix it? Do you even care about fixing it? If not, why are you here, except to point out who needs to be blamed for the entire thing.

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As for Syria, there wasn't and isn't a win for the US there. Russia, regardless of who the US President is, would never allow it to become US friendly, and they simply don't care about how a regime treats its citizens. An expanded US presence simply would have brought increased Russian opposition. Korea in the 1950s is what I think would be the most likely comparison. And just as bloody.

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[quote=SunnySide;1245120]My memory (without re-reading the hundreds of articles ive read over the past years) was that Al-Assad was very close to be thrown out until the last minute when Russia provided air cover and that drastically changed things.

im talking about Syria now ... because it is now. In 2016, I was talking about Syria .. in 2016. Not sure if i follow.

Obama and the US didnt want to get sucked into another objectiveless occupation like Iraq and Afgahnistan. I prefer that policy, so does your boy Trump.

if Obama went hard and bombed Syria and demanded no fly zones etc and something happened, people like you Chico would be screaming bloody murder. Obama went de-escalate and people like you are screaming.

Chico - im projecting here but I think you would attack any position Obama or any Dem took or takes. its okay though, there are many people on the left who have their "hate blinders" on as well and will scream at any little thing Trump or republicans do.

and now i find myself attacking another american for their political belief system and I feel like an asshole bc I try really hard not to judge others.[/quote]

When I hear the term ‘useful idiot’ and then think from a policy perspective in how two administrations have acted towards Syria and Russia...the narrative simply falls flat. Especially when I hear Obama tell Mitt Romney in the debates say the 1980s call and they want their foreign policy back...when Mitt correctly pointed out the Russian government was the biggest threat to the US.

The Russians were “mid-game” when it comes to the entire Syria civil war context. Go back and look at the timelines. No fly zone was on the table and have proven to be extremely effective strategy.

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There is plenty of blame on all sides about the middle east as a whole. There are just no good options over there. I'm on the Rand Paul train regarding the middle east.

That money can be spent much better here. Or maybe actually put all that money towards our national debt. Hey politicians, it's ok to not spend every dollar you can get your mitts on.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1245122]I think you are making assumptions about sunny. He wasn't slamming Trump (I don't think) or rushing to Obama's praise.

Moreso he was, again I think, [B]pointing out how the media and politicians pick and choose their story of the day[/B].

It is a truly sad thing to see these refugees and know that they are suffering partially because US policy in the mideast for so long has been a mess. Backing then not backing, encouraging popular uprisings then watching them get pounded back into submission. We as a nation can not be everywhere, and when our leaders think we can, bad things end up happening to the people on the ground.

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Yes that was my original intent. the Dems and media portrayed the abrupt Trump pull out as some genocide and it was in the news 24/7 but now .. its crickets from the dems and media.

I do believe the Kurds were politically useful to the dems for a week, they feigned concern and outrage at trump .. but now where is that same concern for the refugees? It wasnt an instant massacre that the Dems predicted so it lost its political use?

I guess Im more annoyed at the media, I have to actually hunt for current syria articles vs before it was every where. Where are those embedded reporters? Wheres the horror of barrell bombs being dropped on civilian hospitals? its still happenening, its till sick but the US and media "have moved one" it seems. Convenient.

im ranting right now .. cathartic i suppose

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1245123]The middle east is and will always be a fucking disaster. There are no good options. No matter what choices are made, by either side, there will be criticisms of the action taken.



As there are no good options, I vote to stay the fuck out and keep moving towards energy independence by all means available.



No more nation building.[/QUOTE]There are certain parts of this world that tragically need to solve their own problems. The US cannot provide a true Pax Americana, and shouldn't try.

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[quote=mooby;1245124]I agree. Obama fucked up the Syria situation.

Now what?

How do you fix it? Do you even care about fixing it? If not, why are you here, except to point out who needs to be blamed for the entire thing.[/quote]

So trump armed the Kurds, defeated isis....are you asking what else should we do now?

Mooby, you just were fucking telling 6 weeks ago trump had started the 3 world war with Iran and now suddenly you want us embedded in Syria again? Can we even get any policy consistency? Dude took out one of the top state sponsor terrorist in the world and the media and dems are screaming that was a bad move...

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1245128]Yes that was my original intent. the Dems and media portrayed the abrupt Trump pull out as some genocide and it was in the news 24/7 but now .. its crickets from the dems and media.



I do believe the Kurds were politically useful to the dems for a week, they feigned concern and outrage at trump .. but now where is that same concern for the refugees? It wasnt an instant massacre that the Dems predicted so it lost its political use?



I guess Im more annoyed at the media, I have to actually hunt for current syria articles vs before it was every where. Where are those embedded reporters? Wheres the horror of barrell bombs being dropped on civilian hospitals? its still happenening, its till sick but the US and media "have moved one" it seems. Convenient.



im ranting right now .. cathartic i suppose[/QUOTE]I actually had to watch aljazeera news for decent, "non biased", coverage of the situation. And it actually did seem non-biased from what I could tell.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1245130]So trump armed the Kurds, defeated isis....are you asking what else should we do now?



Mooby, you just were fucking telling 6 weeks ago trump had started the 3 world war with Iran and now suddenly you want us embedded in Syria again? Can we even get any policy consistency? Dude took out one of the top state sponsor terrorist in the world and the media and dems are screaming that was a bad move...[/QUOTE]

Chico, I am guessing a nerve got hit. No one on here is calling for us to be re-imbedded in Syria.

But you taking off like that is what I was talking about where Russia's biggest goal is to keep us on razors edge barking at the other side.

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[quote=Chico23231;1245126]

The Russians were[B] “mid-game”[/B] when it comes to the entire Syria civil war context. Go back and look at the timelines. No fly zone was on the table and have proven to be extremely effective strategy.[/quote]

If "mid game" means Russia had one foot in, one foot out and Russia could be swayed either way, i agree with that. No fly zone in N Iraq is different than Syria.

Hillary Clinton ran on a "no fly zone" policy in Syria in 2016. I think the risks would be to great and get us further complicated in the complicated Syria civil war.

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Retired senior US military pilots are increasingly alarmed that Hillary Clinton’s proposal for “no-fly zones” in Syria could lead to a military confrontation with Russia that could escalate to levels that were previously unthinkable in the post-cold war world.

The proposal of no-fly zones has been fiercely debated in Washington for the past five years, but has never attracted significant enthusiasm from the military because of the risk to pilots from Syrian air defenses and the presence of Russian warplanes.

Many in US national security circles consider the risk of an aerial confrontation with the Russians to be severe.

“I wouldn’t put it past them to shoot down an American aircraft,” said James Clapper, the US director of national intelligence, on Tuesday in response to a question from the Guardian at the Council on Foreign Relations.

Those who have patrolled no-fly zones over the relatively freer skies of Bosnia and Saddam-era Iraq fear that a President Clinton would oblige the US to what one retired US air force three-star general described as an indefinite “air occupation”. Such a move would risk the lives of US pilots – and dare confrontation with a Russian military which is more aggressive than it has been in years.

Critics of the plan also question how using US military power to establish and police a safe space for beleaguered Syrian civilians would contribute to the downfall of President Bashar al-Assad – the explicit goal of US policy in Syria.

“If she is not politically posturing, it’s going to be a disaster. I hope it’s political posturing,” said John Kuehn, a retired navy officer who flew no-fly zone missions over Bosnia and Iraq. Kuehn who called denying an adversary its airspace “the cocktail party military application of power of choice”.

David Deptula, a retired air force lieutenant general who commanded the no-fly zone operations over northern Iraq in 1998 and 1999, said the Russians were a “complicating factor” but considered the problems with a no-fly zone to be more fundamental.

“Until a strategy that defines the desired end-state is clearly laid out in a comprehensive way, it’s difficult to advocate for a no-fly zone,” said Deptula.

“Right now, the way it’s being discussed, it’s a solution in search of a strategy. Until coalition powers define what it is they wish to accomplish, banding about a solution like a no-fly zone is a non-starter.”

The challenges for a no-fly zone over Syria outstrip those the US has faced over Libya, Bosnia and Iraq. Assad’s surface-to-air missiles, protecting the Mediterranean coast and southern regions the regime still controls, were formidable before the recent Russian addition of what Clapper, a former air force general, called “very advanced” S-300 and S-400 systems that can blanket the majority of Syrian airspace with missiles.

[url]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/25/hillary-clinton-syria-no-fly-zones-russia-us-war[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1245132]Chico, I am guessing a nerve got hit. No one on here is calling for us to be re-imbedded in Syria.

But you taking off like that is what I was talking about where Russia's biggest goal is to keep us on razors edge barking at the other side.

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I hate revisionist history and Im tired of the bullshit headline of Trump/Russia connection. Its the biggest fake news story of our lifetime. The policy of the Trump administration versus the previous administration...its obvious, that Russians would prefer a Democratic lead country. Its aint close.

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[quote=SunnySide;1245133]If "mid game" means Russia had one foot in, one foot out and Russia could be swayed either way, i agree with that. No fly zone in N Iraq is different than Syria.

Hillary Clinton ran on a "no fly zone" policy in Syria in 2016. I think the risks would be to great and get us further complicated in the complicated Syria civil war.

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Retired senior US military pilots are increasingly alarmed that Hillary Clinton’s proposal for “no-fly zones” in Syria could lead to a military confrontation with Russia that could escalate to levels that were previously unthinkable in the post-cold war world.

The proposal of no-fly zones has been fiercely debated in Washington for the past five years, but has never attracted significant enthusiasm from the military because of the risk to pilots from Syrian air defenses and the presence of Russian warplanes.

Many in US national security circles consider the risk of an aerial confrontation with the Russians to be severe.

“I wouldn’t put it past them to shoot down an American aircraft,” said James Clapper, the US director of national intelligence, on Tuesday in response to a question from the Guardian at the Council on Foreign Relations.

Those who have patrolled no-fly zones over the relatively freer skies of Bosnia and Saddam-era Iraq fear that a President Clinton would oblige the US to what one retired US air force three-star general described as an indefinite “air occupation”. Such a move would risk the lives of US pilots – and dare confrontation with a Russian military which is more aggressive than it has been in years.

Critics of the plan also question how using US military power to establish and police a safe space for beleaguered Syrian civilians would contribute to the downfall of President Bashar al-Assad – the explicit goal of US policy in Syria.

“If she is not politically posturing, it’s going to be a disaster. I hope it’s political posturing,” said John Kuehn, a retired navy officer who flew no-fly zone missions over Bosnia and Iraq. Kuehn who called denying an adversary its airspace “the cocktail party military application of power of choice”.

David Deptula, a retired air force lieutenant general who commanded the no-fly zone operations over northern Iraq in 1998 and 1999, said the Russians were a “complicating factor” but considered the problems with a no-fly zone to be more fundamental.

“Until a strategy that defines the desired end-state is clearly laid out in a comprehensive way, it’s difficult to advocate for a no-fly zone,” said Deptula.

“Right now, the way it’s being discussed, it’s a solution in search of a strategy. Until coalition powers define what it is they wish to accomplish, banding about a solution like a no-fly zone is a non-starter.”

The challenges for a no-fly zone over Syria outstrip those the US has faced over Libya, Bosnia and Iraq. Assad’s surface-to-air missiles, protecting the Mediterranean coast and southern regions the regime still controls, were formidable before the recent Russian addition of what Clapper, a former air force general, called “very advanced” S-300 and S-400 systems that can blanket the majority of Syrian airspace with missiles.

[url]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/25/hillary-clinton-syria-no-fly-zones-russia-us-war[/url][/quote]

Look I don't want to post quotes of the effectiveness of it or proponents of it advising for it. But if you think the Syrian Government would have challenged our resolve for implementing it...lets be honest, they had their hands full and could not have handling an air campaign against us...yeah, not happening, not close.

Plus, the no fly zone is extremely....flexible lets say. We chose how and when...and why. Before the Russians were 100 involved it should have been done...like ive stated the IRANIANS were the ones keeping Assad in power, not the Russians. When the Russians made the commitment...it trumped Obama. It was game over.

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[quote=Chico23231;1245135][B]Look I don't want to post quotes of the effectiveness of it or proponents of it advising for it[/B]. But if you think the Syrian Government would have challenged our resolve for implementing it...lets be honest, they had their hands full and could not have handling an air campaign against us...yeah, not happening, not close.

.[/quote]

Agreed. im sure you could find articles and quotes supporting the no fly zone or articles against the no fly zone .. and theyd both make sense.

Cheers to the weekend. Taping into some RAR 1st meal stout tonight .. and I know we can always agree that is a good thing.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1245086]Every country in the world has a preference on who they want the American president to be. The same way America does for other countries in the world. Y'all are just fucking obsessed with Russia.

Trump can't do anything about a country wanting him to be re-elected. If the house is so obsessed with Russia then they should review what the country is doing (going back to long before Trump) to prevent actual illegal interference and pass law(s) or include extra money in the budget, etc. to develop better ways to monitor and stop this from happening.

Whether Russia wants Trump or not, he isn't losing to any of these Democrat clowns that are running in 2020.[/quote]

I guess you know more than US Intel .:stop:

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[quote=Giantone;1245140]I guess you know more than US Intel .:stop:[/quote]

G1 are you gonna vote for a communist this coming election?

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Lol Chris Mathews on MSNBC saying the Bernie win in Nevada is like when the Nazis overran the Maginot Line in 1940


Right into my veins

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[quote=Chico23231;1245142]G1 are you gonna vote for a communist this coming election?[/quote]

You mean like you did a few years ago voting for trump?

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[quote=Chico23231;1245202]Lol Chris Mathews on MSNBC saying the Bernie win in Nevada is like when the Nazis overran the Maginot Line in 1940
[/quote]

chico , keep rooting for the downfall of America

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You are going to see this happen more and more................



[url]https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/clint-eastwood-ditches-donald-trump-173420544.html[/url]


Clint Eastwood Ditches Donald Trump for Mike Bloomberg in 2020 Election


Longtime Republican Clint Eastwood is pulling support from Donald Trump in the 2020 election. In an interview with the Wall Street Journal, the actor-director signaled that he thinks a different candidate would be the better choice

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Always knew Clint Eastwood was a pussy! /s/

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[quote=Giantone;1245205]chico , keep rooting for the downfall of America[/quote]

Hilarious...2020 is 2016 and they are not seeing it as it happens to them.

And now for Conservatives, will the monkey paw story come true against them?

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1245101]...

Common sense should point to the obvious reason Russia would support Trump and that is because they gain when our political house is fractured. And it is fractured because of the bizarre hatred and vindictiveness from both sides that they, the Russians, can - as you said - so easily manipulate.

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Hmmm. CNN walking back reports. Note the last line
[Quote]Russia is interfering in the 2020 election, intelligence officials say, but the US doesn't have evidence that it's aimed at reelecting Trump -- [b]only sowing discord[/b][/Quote]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1245227]Hmmm. CNN walking back reports. Note the last line


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Enemy of the people. Fucking pathetic

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[quote=Chico23231;1245202]Lol Chris Mathews on MSNBC saying the Bernie win in Nevada is like when the Nazis overran the Maginot Line in 1940


Right into my veins[/quote]

Who is that pathetic clown pulling for? Of all the left wing journalists on TV he is the one I can't stand the most. I really enjoyed watching him damn near cry on the air when Trump won. He is definitely one of those that has zero tolerance for anyone who does not agree with him 100%. I always laugh at the hypocrisy of the left as they preach tolerance, unless of course your views don't align with theirs, then they want you thrown off a cliff.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1245240] I always laugh at the hypocrisy of the [B]RIGHT[/B] as they preach tolerance, unless of course your views don't align with theirs, then they want you thrown off a cliff.[/quote]



..................corrected it for you. Funny how easy that was.:joecool:

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[quote=Chico23231;1245228]Enemy of the people. Fucking pathetic[/quote]



Yes, trump is! Nice you see the light now!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1245227]Hmmm. CNN walking back reports. Note the last line


[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200223/c2390bacfd699591860fb1dc912f3b73.jpg[/IMG]

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Who is at fault here CNN or the intelligence official? CNN reported a story and then when the source for the story was found to be unverified they walked it back. That sounds like journalism and not bias. Not sure why you are persecuting CNN here. I guess you would rather them continue pursuing a false story to fit your narrative?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1245227]Hmmm. CNN walking back reports. Note the last line


[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200223/c2390bacfd699591860fb1dc912f3b73.jpg[/IMG]

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The sad part is that you are trying to make a case that there is a difference and one is lesser evil than the other.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1245245]Who is at fault here CNN or the intelligence official? CNN reported a story and then when the source for the story was found to be unverified they walked it back. That sounds like journalism and not bias. Not sure why you are persecuting CNN here. I guess you would rather them continue pursuing a false story to fit your narrative?[/quote]

Notice they won't acknowledge that there is russian "interference" just want to attack CNN for something that might not be any of their(CNN) doing. It's a trump tacktick, attack the press and make them the enemy .....facts be damn!

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1245245]Who is at fault here CNN or the intelligence official? CNN reported a story and then when the source for the story was found to be unverified they walked it back. That sounds like journalism and not bias. Not sure why you are persecuting CNN here. I guess you would rather them continue pursuing a false story to fit your narrative?[/QUOTE]Cnn/all media ran with a leaked story from a classified briefing that was partisan and highly inflammatory, and other members form same briefing were saying it was not an accurate portrayal.

What I would rather, is that the NYT, especially, stop letting themselves be used as clear puppets for an even clearer disinformation agenda by leaks.

I would rather ALL the media, right and left, step back from the incessant frackas that allows Russia to sow discord with ease.

I would rather ALL politicians (Trump, Schiff, and Pelosi especially) stop feeding click bait and trolls.




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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1245248]Cnn/all media ran with a leaked story from a classified briefing that was partisan and highly inflammatory, and other members form same briefing were saying it was not an accurate portrayal.

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The media hasn't learned a thing, they still are passing fake news.

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[quote=Chico23231;1245249]The media hasn't learned a thing, they still are passing fake news.[/quote]

chico it seems you haven't learned a thing either.


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[QUOTE=Giantone;1245246]The sad part is that you are trying to make a case that there is a difference and one is lesser evil than the other.[/QUOTE]There is a HUGE difference between the initial report, and the actual report. From KGB times Russian inteligence has tried to sow discord in US politics. The internet, a willing media, and a defensive president have made their job easy as pie.

But even moreso the initial leak was clearly done for partisan effect to the detriment of our election stability. If the report as originally stated had been true broadcasting our knowledge of it to the world only hurts any ongoing intelligence efforts to protect our election.


Finally, there also is a huge underlying story that goes to the sainted credibility of the people giving these assessments. There was a train of discussion saying how bad it was for Trump to get upset about the delivery of this assessment but, in fact, the assessment as given was widely astray from the facts as we now know them. Taking it a step further in that direction, there was a huge uproar over Trump's Roger Stone tweet about the overreach of the sentence, and yet the Judge agreed with the revised sentencing agreement NOT the overreach. She had the discretion to assign any sentence, she obviously accepts the vedict Stone is guilty, and was aware of the bruhaha around the two guideline statements. By extension Trump was right that 7-9 years was overly harsh. In both cases outrage over Trump's actions were proven invalid as further facts or knowledge has come out

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1245254]There is a HUGE difference between the initial report, and the actual report. From KGB times Russian inteligence has tried to sow discord in US politics. The internet, a willing media, and a defensive president have made their job easy as pie.

But even moreso the initial leak was clearly done for partisan effect to the detriment of our election stability. If the report as originally stated had been true broadcasting our knowledge of it to the world only hurts any ongoing intelligence efforts to protect our election.


Finally, there also is a huge underlying story that goes to the sainted credibility of the people giving these assessments. There was a train of discussion saying how bad it was for Trump to get upset about the delivery of this assessment but, in fact, the assessment as given was widely astray from the facts as we now know them. Taking it a step further in that direction, there was a huge uproar over Trump's Roger Stone tweet about the overreach of the sentence, and yet the Judge agreed with the revised sentencing agreement NOT the overreach. She had the discretion to assign any sentence, she obviously accepts the vedict Stone is guilty, and was aware of the bruhaha around the two guideline statements. By extension Trump was right that 7-9 years was overly harsh. In both cases outrage over Trump's actions were proven invalid as further facts or knowledge has come out

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Not surprising you agree with a corrupt crooked president sticking up for his corrupt crooked friend. trump pardons all criminal like himself.

Re: Democratic Primary Push for White House
 

[quote=Chico23231;1245249]The media hasn't learned a thing, they still are passing fake news.[/quote]

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Re: Democratic Primary Push for White House
 

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Thank you G1, very cool!