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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1240677]JP Finlay wrote:

How will things shake out in Washington? Redskins owner Dan Snyder has been working with a select group of football people to decide the direction of the team for 2020 and beyond, a source tells me. None of them are current Redskins employees.[/quote]

Don’t care. Being well versed in Dan Snyder bullshit ownership style, nothing fucking matters until changes are made and he commits himself to stay the fuck out of football decisions.

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[quote=MTK;1240683]Me

lol


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Lol!

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[quote=Chico23231;1240684]Don’t care. Being well versed in Dan Snyder bullshit ownership style, nothing fucking matters until changes are made and he commits himself to stay the fuck out of football decisions.[/quote]

I read something I thought was thought-provoking, can't remember where I first heard it but it went along the lines of "in order for teams to win titles, every level of the organization, from ownership all the way down, has to have a unified mentality to do whatever it takes to win. A desperation of sorts." TL;DR: everybody has to be on the same page.

When I hear about Doug Williams' comments from the Landon Collins signing about how he doesn't factor scheme fit into it, my first thought was "you just gave a player 84 million without determining if he'd be a good fit?"

It really speaks to the lack of organizational cohesion from the guys building the roster to the coaches managing the roster. If our next FO/coaching staff is ever going to have a chance there needs to be complete unity about the direction of the organization. This includes Dan. I'm not sure if he'll ever agree to be the hands-off owner we all want, but if he decides to interfere every year we are doomed until he dies or sells the team.

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Per reports, Ron Rivera and Marvin Lewis are the leading candidates for the Redskins HC job

[URL="https://twitter.com/JPFinlayNBCS/status/1210668904953110529"]https://twitter.com/JPFinlayNBCS/status/1210668904953110529[/URL]

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Forget the HC, Bruce needs to go first. Hopefully he goes Monday

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Glad the changes are almost here. Hope they work out.

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[quote=dej733;1240690]Per reports, Ron Rivera and Marvin Lewis are the leading candidates for the Redskins HC job

[URL="https://twitter.com/JPFinlayNBCS/status/1210668904953110529"]https://twitter.com/JPFinlayNBCS/status/1210668904953110529[/URL][/quote]

Feel like these are the two leading candidates if Bruce stays.

If we go with either of them I am gonna be less than optimistic about our future.

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Who in their right mind would be excited for Marvin Lewis as HC? That’s a guy Bill Callahan would probably endorse as his replacement. Marvin Lewis would probably name AP the starter at RB when hired. I see Lewis as a guy who probably would get the Skins ready to compete on Sunday, but not a guy who is aggressive in the pursuit of winning. He gonna want it won his way.

At least Rivera has been unafraid to let guys on the field make plays to win games. He’s dealt with some strong personalities and got them to perform lights out.

Between those two...it’s not fucking close, Ron Rivera all day over Lewis.

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[quote=Chico23231;1240694]Who in their right mind would be excited for Marvin Lewis as HC? That’s a guy Bill Callahan would probably endorse as his replacement. Marvin Lewis would probably name AP the starter at RB when hired. I see Lewis as a guy who probably would get the Skins ready to compete on Sunday, but not a guy who is aggressive in the pursuit of winning. He gonna want it won his way.

At least Rivera has been unafraid to let guys on the field make plays to win games. He’s dealt with some strong personalities and got them to perform lights out.

Between those two...it’s not fucking close, Ron Rivera all day over Lewis.[/quote]

Couldn’t agree more. What did Lewis ever do besides average? If that’s the case then keep Callahan, Lewis is a decent DC that’s it.

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You have to remember that Lewis coached the Bengals. They don't spend any money ever on anything. They barely have a scouting department. It's an accomplishment in itself that he had that team in the playoffs several years in a row. Working for Mike Brown is probably worse than Snyder.

I remember when Lewis was here under OBC he was really the main guy that kept things from falling of the rails completely. He should have been the head coach and not OBC who didn't want to practice in the rain. OBC had like two protections and got his QB's killed. Lewis would have hired a NFL OC instead of a college coach. That was 100% on our stupid ass owner.

Lewis was also the DC to the 2000 Ravens, a truly great defense.

I feel Lewis would be a solid hire as would RR. I would be in favor of both guys but I would suspect there will be competition for RR, not so much for Lewis.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1240695]Couldn’t agree more. What did Lewis ever do besides average? If that’s the case then keep Callahan, Lewis is a decent DC that’s it.[/quote]

What was average about the 2000 Ravens defense?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1240698]What was average about the 2000 Ravens defense?[/quote]

I’m talking about his head coaching stint, he was a decent DC, did ok with us, nothing extraordinary.

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[quote=Chico23231;1240694]Who in their right mind would be excited for Marvin Lewis as HC? That’s a guy Bill Callahan would probably endorse as his replacement. Marvin Lewis would probably name AP the starter at RB when hired. I see Lewis as a guy who probably would get the Skins ready to compete on Sunday, but not a guy who is aggressive in the pursuit of winning. He gonna want it won his way.

At least Rivera has been unafraid to let guys on the field make plays to win games. He’s dealt with some strong personalities and got them to perform lights out.

Between those two...it’s not fucking close, Ron Rivera all day over Lewis.[/quote]

I think Lewis had to deal with some strong personalities/ head cases in Cincy. Chad Johnson, Palmer, Chris Henry, TO, Adam Jones..

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1240699]I’m talking about his head coaching stint, he was a decent DC, did ok with us, nothing extraordinary.[/quote]

Right but my point is who can go into Cincy and do well under the circumstances? Who can go in there and make the playoffs 7 times and 5 straight years? Now yes he lost all 7 games .. lol but still, he is a upgrade from Gruden anytime anyday.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1240700]I think Lewis had to deal with some strong personalities/ head cases in Cincy. Chad Johnson, Palmer, Chris Henry, TO, Adam Jones..[/quote]

Well half were assholes

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A co-worker and I constantly debate each other who the worst franchise is; DC or Cincy. He's a life long Bengals fan.

Both are bottom of the barrel.

What Lewis did in Cincy was really impressive considering what a garbage organization they are.

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[url]https://thefandc.radio.com/dan-snyder-using-outside-group-redskins-football-decisions[/url]

Snyder using an outside group to make football decisions. Stop being such a c@€K tease Dan and either piss or get off the pot.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1240709][url]https://thefandc.radio.com/dan-snyder-using-outside-group-redskins-football-decisions[/url]

Snyder using an outside group to make football decisions. Stop being such a c@€K tease Dan and either piss or get off the pot.[/quote]

From the article: After the initial report, Breer took to Twitter to add, Snyder "assembled a small circle of football people earlier in the season to help him with Washington’s search process. None of those people work for the team."

I applaud this move. I was hoping he would seek the advice of well-respected football people who are outside his organization.

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For a long time I felt that an on-field turnaround is possible if Bruce Allen were to be moved to a non-football role. Recently I've become aware of still more evidence of the toxic culture at Redskins Park from a source that I trust. Now I believe that Allen must go if there is to be any chance of a football turnaround.

Although we'll still need to live with Dan Snyder's management style, I'm hoping he'll decide to take a round the world cruise on his new yacht.

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Reports of Marvin Lewis coming as HC. Meh

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[quote=mredskins;1240723]Reports of Marvin Lewis coming as HC. Meh[/quote]

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/sources-add-marvin-lewis-redskins-coaching-candidate-list-rivera-bieniemy[/url]

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[quote=mredskins;1240723]Reports of Marvin Lewis coming as HC. Meh[/quote]

The fact Dan is doing the head coaching search and not a GM search is not good at all. The fact Bruce is likely to remain is fucking the most unimaginable disaster facing this franchise for more years to come.

I don’t care who the skins hire as HC because Bruce remains and Dan is making the choice...it’s the worst possible scenario as fans.

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[quote=Chico23231;1240725]The fact Dan is doing the head coaching search and not a GM search is not good at all. The fact Bruce is likely to remain is fucking the most unimaginable disaster facing this franchise for more years to come.

I don’t care who the skins hire as HC because Bruce remains and Dan is making the choice...it’s the worst possible scenario as fans.[/quote]

I assumed that outside people were helping Snyder to hire a GM. Silly me.

If Bruce Allen stays, then I'm gone. It's bad enough that Snyder will remain as the owner. I'm having trouble forcing myself to care anyway. Snyder alone makes me want to say AMF right now.

I live in Maryland. Trust me when I tell you that Skins fans in this state are defecting to the Ravens in significant numbers. I'm sure Snyder doesn't give a dam. He'll just build a new stadium somewhere between D.C. and Richmond and sucker Virginia officials into paying for it.

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[quote=Chico23231;1240725]The fact Dan is doing the head coaching search and not a GM search is not good at all. The fact Bruce is likely to remain is fucking the most unimaginable disaster facing this franchise for more years to come.

I don’t care who the skins hire as HC because Bruce remains and Dan is making the choice...it’s the worst possible scenario as fans.[/quote]

Only a few people know what Dan is going to do, and nobody on this board or reporting on the team knows. The fact that Bruce is not leading the charge on finding a new coach is promising. What will be telling is who makes the announcements on Monday. That may give us some insight on the GM role.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1240728]I assumed that outside people were helping Snyder to hire a GM. Silly me.

If Bruce Allen stays, then I'm gone. It's bad enough that Snyder will remain as the owner. I'm having trouble forcing myself to care anyway. Snyder alone makes me want to say AMF right now.

I live in Maryland. Trust me when I tell you that Skins fans in this state are defecting to the Ravens in significant numbers. I'm sure Snyder doesn't give a dam. He'll just build a new stadium somewhere between D.C. and Richmond and sucker Virginia officials into paying for it.[/quote]

I am sure Dan give's a Damn about the eroding fan base.

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ESPN is now reporting River Boat Ron is the primary candidate.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28383186/sources-ron-rivera-primary-candidate-redskins[/url]

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1240730]I am sure Dan give's a Damn about the eroding fan base.[/quote]

Watching this team over the last few years, what would give you the inclination that Dan cares about the fan base which has been steadily eroding the past few seasons?

I find it laughable every time someone posts about that. Dan will not care until he begins to lose money. Period. Fan opinion / wins & losses are not high on his list, to suggest otherwise is silly. Right now, the tickets are being bought and paid for, Dan could care less that its other teams' fans that fill the stadium.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1240731]ESPN is now reporting River Boat Ron is the primary candidate.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28383186/sources-ron-rivera-primary-candidate-redskins[/url][/quote]

I feel like here's the scenario assuming the reports of Bruce being out of football ops are true.

Bruce reassigned to business ops management (I'd prefer him out entirely but am willing to settle for that).

Dan and his advisors have settled on Kyle Smith or some unknown name as GM. Maybe Eric Schaeffer for team prez?

Doug Williams stays (I disagree with this move based on Doug's comments from signing Landon Collins that they didn't take scheme into account)

Riverboat Ron as HC (not my first choice, Bienemy is looking good and I would even prefer KOC to get it over him). But if it's Rivera or Marvin Lewis as HC I'm taking Ron every day.

Hopefully Dan has learned enough to let the HC pick his own staff. And if Ron hires some crap retread as DC I will blow up.

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[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/sources-redskins-team-president-bruce-allen-will-be-out-running-football-ops-monday[/url]

Per source: B Al out of the football operations game by Monday.

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So question, who is making these choices with hc? And why isn’t the front office involved? This is a serious fuckin issue folks.

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[quote=Chico23231;1240762]So question, who is making these choices with hc? And why isn’t the front office involved? This is a serious fuckin issue folks.[/quote]

Danny’s independent think tank.

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Per JP Finlay

Big nugget from Les here - his source says Urban Meyer could become Redskins exec. Don’t think that’s been reported elsewhere

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[quote=dej733;1240869]Per JP Finlay

Big nugget from Les here - his source says Urban Meyer could become Redskins exec. Don’t think that’s been reported elsewhere[/quote]

Does nothing for me. Would just be a PR hire.

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[url]https://mobile.twitter.com/PeteHaileyNBCS/status/1211449795572838406[/url]

Wow...telling

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Alex Smith is 100% getting a FO job

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1241026]Alex Smith is 100% getting a FO job[/quote]

That video is amazing...Bruce and Dan don’t even acknowledge each other...Bruce just walks right past him.

Alex has replaced Bruce as Dan’s bestie.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1241026]Alex Smith is 100% getting a FO job[/quote]

Somebody smarter (Schneed where you at?) correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think it'd be feasible for Alex Smith to retire and take a FO job with the Skins that would allow his cap hit to be reduced. I.E. he'd still count 20 mil against the cap and then we'd also have to sign him to a FO contract where he makes money on top of that.

If that's the case you just put him on the disability list, pay his roster salary and he hangs out with Dan as an advisor. Then next year he can retire or we cut him.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1241026]Alex Smith is 100% getting a FO job[/quote]

QB coach

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[quote=Chico23231;1241030]That video is amazing...Bruce and Dan don’t even acknowledge each other...Bruce just walks right past him.

Alex has replaced Bruce as Dan’s bestie.[/quote]

The red armband on the black jacket is not a good look for Dan. Kinda reminds me of some historical uniform that also wore a certain armband lol. Where is Dan getting his fashion advice from?

Also, if they're not on speaking terms, I'm 1000% on the "this is not gonna be a pretty exit for Bruce" team. It's the kind where Dan says take a demotion, Bruce says no and quits completely (I'm fine with this, he doesn't need Bruce to get a stadium built).

If they were on speaking terms and Bruce was ok stepping down from football ops I think they'd at least be on cordial speaking terms.

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[quote=mooby;1241031]Somebody smarter (Schneed where you at?) correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think it'd be feasible for Alex Smith to retire and take a FO job with the Skins that would allow his cap hit to be reduced. I.E. he'd still count 20 mil against the cap and then we'd also have to sign him to a FO contract where he makes money on top of that.

If that's the case you just put him on the disability list, pay his roster salary and he hangs out with Dan as an advisor. Then next year he can retire or we cut him.[/quote]

I'm in no way claiming to be smarter, but i believe (and i could be 100% wrong)if Alex Smith retires, we get the signing bonus back against the cap, then potentially Dan/Bruce/whoever could potentially add a big bonus on his front office contract to make up the difference to Alex...