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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1242403]Pretty good revisionist history to say they hadn't done shit to us. Gotta get some of what you got.

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I said for years since the Iran treaty. Try reading it all, and not selectively. That would be a good start.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1242400]So insulting people that disagree with you and being an asshole is being a critical thinker? No one that wants to have an actual conversation bases their whole premise around being a condiscinding piece of shit. Nothing you said involved wanting to have a discussion using critical thinking. Hell, you think sending pallets of money to a world wide supporter of terrorism is a milestone. That comment was critically fucking stupid. 10 yard penalty.

Call Trump soulless then mock using the Lord's name in vain?

Your whole post is a fucking joke.[/quote]

I have to use insults because facts and logic don't make it with Trumpsters. Barbaric communication and 3rd grade logic is what you all seem to respond to.

Like I said, if you're still supporting this piece of shit after 3 years, it's a YOU problem.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1242413]I said for years since the Iran treaty. Try reading it all, and not selectively. That would be a good start.[/QUOTE]I was talking about since the Iran treaty or do you discount their role in iraq, syria and the extinct caliphate?

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The Iran Deal wasn't a good one but did in the short term stop the nuclear program.

First, lets establish the Iranian cause to pursue Nuclear aspirations is for weapons and not their so-called energy reason. Iran has ALWAYS stated they do not want to pursue a nuclear weapon, that is a LIE. So you are negotiating with a LIE to begin with...not good.

The deal overlooked ballistic missile...AKA THE WEAPONS delivery system of a nuclear weapon. Lets think real hard: Stop developing Nuclear aspiration for the short term while investing in Ballistic Missile technology which they tested WHICH VIOLATED UN resolutions IMMEDIATELY after the nuclear agreement:

[B]March 9, 2016: Iran test launches two different variations of the Qadr medium-range ballistic missile.

March 14, 2016: U.S. Ambassador to the UN Samantha Power says she raised Iran's ballistic missile tests at a Security Council meeting, saying that the tests are inconsistent with UN Security Council Resolution 2231.

March 15, 2016: Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif defends Iran's missile launches saying that the missiles are permissible under UN Security Council Resolution 2231 because the missiles are not designed to be capable of carrying nuclear warheads[/B].

Also the Sunset Clauses allowed for Iran to begin a nuclear aspirations immediately. Iran was already planning for this as they was documents were leaked

July 18, 2016: Iran's research and development plan for advanced centrifuge machines, leaked to the AP, is reported on in the press.

July 29, 2016: In a statement, the IAEA notes it sent a letter to Iran denying it was the source of leaked [B]information about Iranian plans for phasing in advanced centrifuges in 2027.[/B]

The sunset provision list 15 years...that's a lie, it allowed for research just after 10 years.

Also, the money given to the Iranian in the deal allowed them to fund their proxies specifically in Yemen were they started and continue to fight a civil war. Also fund Hezbollah (terrorists) operations throughout the region specifically in Lebanon against US troops and allies in the Syrian conflict as well as operations against Israel. US intelligence has followed the money.

Also, lets not turn a blind eye to Iraq and how the Obama administration completed fucked up and let Iran come in and take over. Lets look at the NYT article which documents the certified morons in the Obama Administration during this time period. This article is from November:

The Iran Cables: Secret Documents Show How Tehran Wields Power in Iraq

[url]https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/11/18/world/middleeast/iran-iraq-spy-cables.html[/url]

The Iran deal was a fuck up, big time...we can easily point to what has happened since

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When it comes to this situation, Iran killed a US contractor and attacked a US Embassy just in the last couple weeks...Souliman killing is a justified response.

I hope after this Iranian attack...which looks to be symbolic not which looked to do more damage than loss of life...we should talk tough, but de-escalation when it comes to aggressive military operations. Nobody wants a full fledge military operation...

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1242416]I was talking about since the Iran treaty or do you discount their role in iraq, syria and the extinct caliphate?

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We haven't had any Iranian attacks (against us) for years. You do realize that Iran was fighting against ISIS, not supporting them. They are allies with Syria, who were/are fighting ISIS. In fact, Iran has had more to do with ISIS being obliterated than we are.

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[quote=Chico23231;1242423]When it comes to this situation, Iran killed a US contractor and attacked a US Embassy just in the last couple weeks...Souliman killing is a justified response.

I hope after this Iranian attack...which looks to be symbolic not which looked to do more damage than loss of life...we should talk tough, but de-escalation when it comes to aggressive military operations. Nobody wants a full fledge military operation...[/quote]

Just FYI. This attack was planned prior to the embassy attack.

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That said, Soleimani's death was justified long before any of those two events. The problem is the guy is a ranking official of a state. Huge consequences come from those kinds of actions. Putin is a worse terrorist and madman than Soleimani ever was but imagine assassinating him.

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[quote=Chico23231;1242419]The Iran Cables: Secret Documents Show How Tehran Wields Power in Iraq

[url]https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/11/18/world/middleeast/iran-iraq-spy-cables.html[/url]

The Iran deal was a fuck up, big time...we can easily point to what has happened since[/quote]


So NYT is legit news source when it backs up a claim or makes Clinton/Obama look bad, but a fake news outlet when it's publishing wrong doings of Trump?


The Iran deal was agreed upon by 6 countries looking to avoid conflict. It wasn't perfect, but the alternate was worse. War.

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A good timeline of the events since Trump pulled out of the Iran deal.

[url]https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2020/01/03/us-iran-conflict-since-nuclear-deal/2803223001/[/url]

Notice he went against advice from the Pentagon. A man who's never been in the military or knows shit about it that doesn't listen to those who do.

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S10 was right, Iran were a bunch of pussies in their response, they backed down....And now there is questions now that Iran might have accidently shot down the Ukraine passenger plane

These fuckin Iranians, what a bunch of idiots...

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[quote=Chico23231;1242455]S10 was right, Iran were a bunch of pussies in their response, they backed down....And now there is questions now that Iran might have accidently shot down the Ukraine passenger plane

These fuckin Iranians, what a bunch of idiots...[/quote]


LOL. Are you going to blame them for that 4.9 earthquake too?



There were a lot of Iranians on that plane, what makes you think they'd shoot their own people out of the sky right outside of Tehran? (including 82 Iranians; 63 Canadians; 11 Ukrainians, including nine crew members; 10 Swedes; four Afghans; three Germans and three Britons.) Not saying they wouldn't if they could somehow benefit from it, but it doesn't make sense. If anything, they'd have their proxy people set off some bomb in Dubai.

Also, you calling these guys pussies. Do you actually think those missile attacks are the end of it? LOL Hell no, expect the proxy army attacks to continue and against our allies in the near future.

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[quote=Chico23231;1242455]S10 was right, Iran were a bunch of pussies in their response, they backed down....And now there is questions now that Iran might have accidently shot down the Ukraine passenger plane

These fuckin Iranians, what a bunch of idiots...[/quote]

They basically thought through it like this:

- How do we come across as standing up to America so our people don't lose faith in its government

- How do we do it without forcing Trump's hand, because we will get steamrolled.

Missiles that miss. Perfect!

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[quote=NC_Skins;1242462]LOL. Are you going to blame them for that 4.9 earthquake too?



There were a lot of Iranians on that plane, what makes you think they'd shoot their own people out of the sky right outside of Tehran? (including 82 Iranians; 63 Canadians; 11 Ukrainians, including nine crew members; 10 Swedes; four Afghans; three Germans and three Britons.) Not saying they wouldn't if they could somehow benefit from it, but it doesn't make sense. If anything, they'd have their proxy people set off some bomb in Dubai.

Also, you calling these guys pussies. Do you actually think those missile attacks are the end of it? LOL Hell no, expect the proxy army attacks to continue and against our allies in the near future.[/quote]

Yeah, its a tragic that they would accidently shoot down a passenger plane. But if it happened, that's just how inept these folks are...its not a good look.

Yes, that was a weak response after tough talk. We know the largest US base with more US personal that was actually much closer to Iran (IE, an easier target) was avoided. Also, they called ahead to the Iraqis, who let us know an attack was coming. This was a symbolic strike meant not to harm US troops...and that's fine, but we know exactly what it...saving face.

News flash NC Skins, Iran Proxies in Iraq have been launching rockets at US bases for well almost a year...we have something like 16 incidents documented. They have escalated incidents which is why we killed like 25 of them several weeks ago before sending Soulimani to hell last week.

I get it, we just defer in approach...but I think we both agree no one wants a war with Iran, including Iran from their actions or lack of, last night

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[quote=Chico23231;1242465]News flash NC Skins, Iran Proxies in Iraq have been launching rockets at US bases for well almost a year...we have something like 16 incidents documented. They have escalated incidents which is why we killed like 25 of them several weeks ago before sending Soulimani to hell last week. [/quote]


Sure, since we pulled out of the agreement. Those rockets weren't coming prior to that. Not on our forces anyway. The link I posted earlier shows the steps they've been doing (that we know of) since Trump pulled out of the treaty. This is them fighting back against the economic sanctions.

Of course it was a weak attack. It was meant to be. Iran isn't stupid. They don't want a war with us either because they know they'll lose. That said, they'll bring the pain to our allies and our people in that region. They would use proxy armies at that point to target civilian areas as well as military. Iran has the backing of Syria, Russia, and China. It's not some pushover either.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1242466]Sure, since we pulled out of the agreement. Those rockets weren't coming prior to that. Not on our forces anyway. The link I posted earlier shows the steps they've been doing (that we know of) since Trump pulled out of the treaty. This is them fighting back against the economic sanctions.

Of course it was a weak attack. It was meant to be. Iran isn't stupid. They don't want a war with us either because they know they'll lose. [B]That said, they'll bring the pain to our allies and our people in that region. [/B]They would use proxy armies at that point to target civilian areas as well as military. Iran has the backing of Syria, Russia, and China. It's not some pushover either.[/quote]

But the fact is they will bring pain to our allies and that region with or without the Souliman killing. That's been their MO for 30-40 years. Iran has never been the victim...they simply refuse to act in good faith with the rest of the world. Souliman was a line in the sand...His name for airstrike has been on the list for 10 years...so when the US Embassy was attack which threaten US lives the Trump administration right after US contractor being killed the week before, line was crossed and big response in a message of deterrence was sent.

Also, anyone notice Kim Ju Fat shut the fuck up? He was talking a lot of shit about Christmas gifts. His bbq'd fat ass burning in an air strike would feed half the country.

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[quote=Chico23231;1242455]S10 was right, Iran were a bunch of pussies in their response, they backed down....And now there is questions now that Iran might have accidently shot down the Ukraine passenger plane

These fuckin Iranians, what a bunch of idiots...[/quote]



Back down??? The world was on their side in this one ,the US came out looking like an ass and the Ukraine passenger plane conspiracy has already been debunked . Look no one says that General was a Saint or didn't deserve what happen to him , we get it but if you don't think the US Military could have handled it differently , you're nuts. Trump wants to stand up and get his Bin Laden moment, ........that is all this was, an all about trump moment.

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Absolutely the Iranian backed down.

Not only that...back check this out:


Top Iraqi Shia cleric calls for his militias to stand down

From CNN's Mitchell McCluskey and Salma Abdelaziz


[B]Iraq’s leading Shia cleric Muqtada al-Sadr called for his militias to stand down on Wednesday night, following President Trump’s address in which he urged for de-escalation in the region. [/B]“This crisis is over, especially after Trump's speech and the Islamic Republic's speech,” al-Sadr said in a statement posted on Twitter.

On Jan. 3, al-Sadr ordered his previously dismantled militia, the Mehdi Army, to regroup to “protect Iraq” after the death of Qasem Soleimani. In his statement on Wednesday, al-Sadr asked his militias not to take action.

“I call on the Iraqi factions to be patient, not to start military action, and to silence the voice of militancy from some of the disciples until all political, parliamentary and international methods are exhausted,” al-Sadr said.


G1...look the Obama "appeasement strategy" towards Iran didn't work. Iran has been for the last 8 months committing multiple aggressive acts: attack on Saudis, capturing British ship in strait, rocket attacks on base, killing of US contractor....they know they went too far. Trump inserted a Deterrence strategy move...basically a line has been cross, quit it now with an aggressive move. Iran has backed down.

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[quote=Chico23231;1242500]G1...look the Obama "appeasement strategy" towards Iran didn't work. Iran has been for the last 8 months committing multiple aggressive acts:[/quote]



It did work and it was working. Our own intelligence agency said it was working. Even the Republicans that were against it were wary of pulling out of the treaty. You keep saying the past 8 months Iran has been doing X and Y. NO shit sherlock. That's right when President Dumbass pulled out of the treaty. Iran is acting the way they're acting because dickless just wants to undo Obama's legacy. He didn't care the repercussions of it. He just wanted to claim it was a bad deal (much like he did NAFTA) not really knowing shit about it. Hell, in 2015, the idiot didn't even know who that general he killed was.

Starts at the 8min mark.

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[quote=Giantone;1242495]Band the Ukraine passenger plane conspiracy has already been debunked .[/quote]



Not sure I'd go that far. It hasn't been debunked and there have been people that say it very well could been shot down accidentally. Not sure I believe Iran would shoot it down intentionally with so many of the passengers being Iranian but shit happens.

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Yeah NBC 4 in DC said that three different US agencies confirm it was either one or two rockets ,damn!

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[quote=Giantone;1242555]Yeah NBC 4 in DC said that three different US agencies confirm it was either one or two rockets ,damn![/quote]

Somebody def. fucked up on that one. Whoever authorized the launch will probably be publicly scapegoated.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1242505]It did work and it was working. Our own intelligence agency said it was working. Even the Republicans that were against it were wary of pulling out of the treaty. You keep saying the past 8 months Iran has been doing X and Y. NO shit sherlock. That's right when President Dumbass pulled out of the treaty. Iran is acting the way they're acting because dickless just wants to undo Obama's legacy. He didn't care the repercussions of it. He just wanted to claim it was a bad deal (much like he did NAFTA) not really knowing shit about it. Hell, in 2015, the idiot didn't even know who that general he killed was.

Starts at the 8min mark.

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How was it working when they were still developing a nuke? It is sad how ignorant people are nowadays.

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[quote=httr198020;1242585]How was it working when they were still developing a nuke? It is sad how ignorant people are nowadays.[/quote]

They weren't. To say they were is a huge lie and bullshit.

[url]https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2019-04/news/iaea-says-iran-abiding-nuclear-deal[/url]

[quote]The IAEA quarterly report on Iran’s nuclear program, released publicly just days after Amano’s statement, contains additional details demonstrating that Iran is abiding by the deal’s terms. It notes that Iran’s stockpile of enriched uranium is below the 300-kilogram cap set by the JCPOA and that Iran has not enriched uranium above the limit of 3.67 percent uranium-235, far below the 90 percent level considered useful for weapons purposes.

The report notes that the agency has had access to “all the sites and locations in Iran which it needed to visit.”[/quote]


From our own military command:

[url]https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-strategic-command-chief-iran-abiding-by-nuclear-deal[/url]

[quote]Iran is abiding by the terms of the historic nuclear agreement reached under President Obama, the head of U.S. Strategic Command said on Wednesday. “The facts are that Iran is operating under the agreements the we signed up for under the [deal],” Gen. John Hyten said at an event at the Hudson Institute[/quote]


Now, what they were doing is updating their research on ballistic missiles. That isn't part of the nuclear deal though.

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NC, go back to my original post where twice out of a timeline I pointed out issues of ballistic missiles which were in violation of un res and the discovery Iran was researching for the development of advanced centrifuges technology which would allow for them to enrich faster in to build a nuclear weapon once the provisions this short term deal was over.

The Iranians were only out of compliance a couple times in the agreement which they quickly came back within guidelines of holding heavy water and other things...so yes, from the perimeters of the deal, Iran was abiding by it.

That's not the argument...the argument is the deal was bad, the cash we gave them combined with sanctions lifted was used to by arms, develop there military and then used to fund violent proxy wars in Yemen, Isreal, and Saudi Arabia. Also the Sunset clauses in research and development put Iran in position to restart their Nuclear plan in the future.

It just wasn't tough enough and like Ive said, its been proven since the deal has been in place. Iran has ramped up the violence in the region.

Please don't act like Iran is some good actor in the Middle East, they are not. The deal allowed them to become more violent and even expand operations.

We disagree on how things should be and have been handled in the past..i get it.

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[quote=Giantone;1242495]Back down??? The world was on their side in this one ,the US came out looking like an ass and the Ukraine passenger plane conspiracy has already been debunked . Look no one says that General was a Saint or didn't deserve what happen to him , we get it but if you don't think the US Military could have handled it differently , you're nuts. Trump wants to stand up and get his Bin Laden moment, ........that is all this was, an all about trump moment.[/quote]

This is a bad look G1. Can you post who claimed these were conspiracy theories? My guess is the mainstream media who has been lying about this shit from day 1. Chalk this one up as Chico was right again.

Is MSNBC still running the report that 30 US troops were killed in the Iran strike? They were running fucking Iran propaganda...pathetic!

Also, bravo to NBC reporters, CBS and the AP trying to assign blame to Trump over the incompetence of the Iranian army. They were pushing the "crossfire" conspiracy theory I guess? There was never any crossfire folks...its a lie. This is a tragic consequence of Iranian aggression and pure incompetence. Our military could turn Iran into a sheet of glass if we wanted.

Im hoping after this down plane the US and Mideast should come together and realize perpetual aggression just leads to more heartbreak. Iran should call there proxies home and stop attacking and plodding a aggression in sovereign nations throughout the middle east.

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This needs to be understood: the difference between what the Iranian government forces their people to say and do vs how those citizens actually feel. Everyone in this thread who is commenting needs to understand this as fundamental context, or you really can't form an educated opinion that passes as relevant or worth discussing.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1242589]They weren't. To say they were is a huge lie and bullshit.

[url]https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2019-04/news/iaea-says-iran-abiding-nuclear-deal[/url]




From our own military command:

[url]https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-strategic-command-chief-iran-abiding-by-nuclear-deal[/url]




Now, what they were doing is updating their research on ballistic missiles. That isn't part of the nuclear deal though.[/quote] I don't think it was a lie. The Iranians have every intention on getting their hands on a nuclear missile. The Iran deal was nothing more than a mirage to give the illusion of a political win for Barack Obama. What sad is that leftists in this country will believe anything that comes out of the left no matter how irrational it might be. This is the problem I have with the Iran deal. First, the UN has to give Iran 23 day notice before they can perform a "random" inspection. That's like telling someone who's suspected of dealing drugs you're going to give them a few days notice before getting a search warrant. Would that make any sense to you? Second, the UN is not even allowed to inspect all of Iran's nuclear facilities. How in the hell does that make sense? On top of that Barack Obama gives them 150 billion dollars? What is so bad is that even after the deal Iran is still funding terrorist and waging proxy wars all across the Middle East. Not only that they have been firing at US ships throughout the Obama presidency. The deal hasn't stopped them from doing any of these things what's to stop them from developing a nuke immediately after the Iran deal expires? Donald Trump wants real random expectations, he wants access to all of their facilities, and he wants a permanent deal. I totally agree with him on that..

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A 23 day warning is a one second warning with radioactive half-life there is zilch they could do to cover up which is why they got busted in one of the inspections. You can’t hide radioactive decay in the tens of thousands to millions of years on the half-life.

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[quote=Schneed10;1242613]This needs to be understood: the difference between what the Iranian government forces their people to say and do vs how those citizens actually feel. Everyone in this thread who is commenting needs to understand this as fundamental context, or you really can't form an educated opinion that passes as relevant or worth discussing.

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Every person I know that is Iranian has similar view points I think Mooby had posted a few pages back about the disconnect between the state of Iran and the people in terms of what each wants. It is important to know and understand the ramifications of our actions on actual people.

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[quote=Schneed10;1242613]This needs to be understood: the difference between what the Iranian government forces their people to say and do vs how those citizens actually feel. Everyone in this thread who is commenting needs to understand this as fundamental context, or you really can't form an educated opinion that passes as relevant or worth discussing.

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yes...this made the rounds on social media the other day. Its worth watching.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1242397]Of course you would. You don't have the brain power to collectively think through issues that require critical skills thinking. You'd just rather yell and use violence. That's what barbaric neanderthals do.

Yes it was an asshole post and so are the people still supporting Trump. I get why you may have voted for him. Sure, Clinton was a shit candidate and people though what the fuck, couldn't hurt right? I get it. i really do. I don't think people that voted for Trump are stupid even though it's apparent they didn't do their homework on him. That's fine. I get it.

However, after 3 years of this mickey mouse shit and you guys are still supporting him. Nah, fuck being polite. It's just mind boggling people still support this guy. You can still be conservative and Republican and think Trump is a huge pile of steaming shit. Rick Wilson, Bill Kristol, George Wallace, Steve Schmidt, George Will, George Conway, Charlie Sykes and many more prominent Republicans that despise him.

[url]https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/there-are-plenty-of-anti-trump-republicans-you-just-have-to-know-where-to-look/[/url]

Why give up your values and your morality to continue to support a soulless piece of shit? Stop treating this shit like it's some professional sports team you like. Pull for the team no matter the costs!!!





God damnit. Sorry about that. I'll remember to get that right in the future.[/QUOTE]
Let's keep things civil. Throughout Obama's entire presidency I had to tolerate a lot of things I didn't like. He supports abortions, I oppose it. He support gay marriage. Marriage is between a man and woman. There is no other form of marriage I will ever recognize. Obama and the rest of left have been ramming transgenderism down the throats of normal, ration people who disagree with it. The Democrats are aiding illegal immigrants. Illegal immigration is hurting poor Americans. With all of these things that I personally despise happening in my country. I still did forget my manners.

I love President Trump and I can't wait to vote for him again. He's done an amazing job with the economy and running the country. He's not perfect, but he's better than any Democrat.

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[quote=Schneed10;1242613]This needs to be understood: the difference between what the Iranian government forces their people to say and do vs how those citizens actually feel. Everyone in this thread who is commenting needs to understand this as fundamental context, or you really can't form an educated opinion that passes as relevant or worth discussing.

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The fact you're posting the same shit my Trumpster mom is is terrifying. Why you say? Because she gets her news from Facebook.


Now, onto the video. I just want to know who in the fuck is glorifying Soleimani? Nobody has besides about 50% of Iran's people and some of their proxies. Outside of that, the rest of the world thinks the guy is a shithead who got what he deserved. Questioning the repercussions of an execution isn't glorifying him.

The people it should hit home to are the morons spouting LOOK THEY ARE SHOUTING DEATH TO AMERICA! LETS BOMB THEM!!

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[url]https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-new-national-security-team-made-fast-work-of-iran-strike-11578619195[/url]

[quote]"Mr. Trump, after the strike, told associates he was under pressure to deal with Gen. Soleimani from GOP senators he views as important supporters in his coming impeachment trial in the Senate, associates said"[/quote]

This isn't good at all.


You have an administration that continues to lie daily, and continues to be incompetent on the most important matters. These idiots really are winging it when it comes to foreign policy. They have no plan whatsoever.

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[quote=httr198020;1242646]Let's keep things civil. Throughout Obama's entire presidency I had to tolerate a lot of things I didn't like. He supports abortions, I oppose it. He support gay marriage. Marriage is between a man and woman. There is no other form of marriage I will ever recognize. Obama and the rest of left have been ramming transgenderism down the throats of normal, ration people who disagree with it. The Democrats are aiding illegal immigrants. Illegal immigration is hurting poor Americans. With all of these things that I personally despise happening in my country. I still did forget my manners.

I love President Trump and I can't wait to vote for him again. He's done an amazing job with the economy and running the country. He's not perfect, but he's better than any Democrat.[/quote]

While I disagree with your view on his running of the country. I do agree with you on the economy doing well. I am concerned at the cost to our life sustaining processes of deregulation. Even if I became a millionaire I could never support Trump due to his racist and xenophobic rhetoric much like you could never support Bernie. So I guess me question is how can we reconcile our differences? I feel that, at least in political discourse, compromise is unacceptable while most Americans would be willing to compromise if it meant getting along with each other.

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[quote=Chico23231;1242609]This is a bad look G1. Can you post who claimed these were conspiracy theories? My guess is the mainstream media who has been lying about this shit from day 1. Chalk this one up as Chico was right again.

Is MSNBC still running the report that 30 US troops were killed in the Iran strike? They were running fucking Iran propaganda...pathetic!

Also, bravo to NBC reporters, CBS and the AP trying to assign blame to Trump over the incompetence of the Iranian army. They were pushing the "crossfire" conspiracy theory I guess? There was never any crossfire folks...its a lie. This is a tragic consequence of Iranian aggression and pure incompetence. Our military could turn Iran into a sheet of glass if we wanted.

Im hoping after this down plane the US and Mideast should come together and realize perpetual aggression just leads to more heartbreak. Iran should call there proxies home and stop attacking and plodding a aggression in sovereign nations throughout the middle east.[/quote]
Seriously , you can not read.Your negative narrative is eating you up inside ,your TAS(trump admiration syndrome) is gone over the edge.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1242653][url]https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-new-national-security-team-made-fast-work-of-iran-strike-11578619195[/url]



This isn't good at all.


You have an administration that continues to lie daily, and continues to be incompetent on the most important matters. These idiots really are winging it when it comes to foreign policy. They have no plan whatsoever.[/quote]

The great puppet master Trump.

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[quote=Chico23231;1242662]The great puppet master Trump.[/quote]

BS, that makes you one of his.................



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Who, what, where, when, why, was anyone protesting the death of Soleimani on the grounds of his innocence, aside from Soleimani supporters?

Because I have yet to see any Democrat say Soleimani didn't deserve to die because he was innocent. It's the timing of the act. It's the complete lack of evidence the Trump administration presented to Congress regarding the "imminent" terrorist attacks he was plotting. It's the fact that Trump is trying to distract from his impeachment proceedings, and it's totally working because everybody completely forgot about that shit as soon as he started escalating shit with Iran. It's the fact that Iran was abiding by terms of the treaty (by the word of our military, intelligence community, and the international inspectors) and Trump still decided to back out anyways, and then raise sanctions on Iran, forcing their response, and then escalating it yet again by killing a high-ranking leader. Literally one man was [I]this[/I] close to finding a way past all the god damn safeguards our constitutional founders wrote to make sure a president needed the approval of Congress to go to war with someone.

The only conclusion I can make is that Soleimani would still be alive today if he had some dirt on Biden to offer Trump. In fact, Trump would probably be singing his praises given his wide admiration for other despots.

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Lol...so a us contractor Death from a shia proxy and an attack on the us embassy...not relevant suddenly. Must not fit the narrative

And for the record, there have been numerous us media outlets portraying soulimani as a victim and not the terrorist he was...

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[quote=Chico23231;1242667]Lol...so a us contractor Death from a shia proxy and an attack on the us embassy...not relevant suddenly. Must not fit the narrative

And for the record, there have been numerous us media outlets portraying soulimani as a victim and not the terrorist he was...[/quote]

How nice of you to back up your post with sources and links. I am fully inclined to believe you based on your past history of speaking nothing but facts.