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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1245321]Could it also be to drum up interest so that MAYBE teams think we MIGHT take a QB, thus the Lions maybe swap picks, we get CY anyway, and get their second? :D[/quote]

No, of course not! That would be devious.

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If Tuamania blows up, here is a crazy ass scenario that I've been thinking about for a while.

To start, here is my logic:
- The Dolphins can only fully guaranteed themselves getting Tua with the #2 pick.
- They can always trade with the Lions, but that leaves the chance that the some team will make a crazy offer to the Redskins to move to #2 and beat them out.

Three-team trade Redskins-Lions-Dolphins:

- Dolphins get the #2 overall pick.

- Redskins get the #3 pick (from the Lions) and #18 pick (from the Dolphins)

- Lions get the #5 and #26 pick (from the Dolphins)

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[quote=Ruhskins;1245324]If Tuamania blows up, here is a crazy ass scenario that I've been thinking about for a while.

To start, here is my logic:
- The Dolphins can only fully guaranteed themselves getting Tua with the #2 pick.
- They can always trade with the Lions, but that leaves the chance that the some team will make a crazy offer to the Redskins to move to #2 and beat them out.

Three-team trade Redskins-Lions-Dolphins:

- Dolphins get the #2 overall pick.

- Redskins get the #3 pick (from the Lions) and #18 pick (from the Dolphins)

- Lions get the #5 and #26 pick (from the Dolphins)[/quote]

That's not a crazy scenario, it's Genius! We get Chase Young and a second first round pick; the Dolphins get Tua; the Lions only drop down two places and receive another first round pick in the deal. That would be one beautiful trade for all three teams.

p.s. Upon further review, I think the Skins might need more to make this deal, either the Dolphins #39 pick or their #56 pick and a future pick or picks. Seems like too much for the Dolphins to give.

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Considering they are rebuilding and all but sold the house to get those picks I just don't see them trading to move up for Tua. While the Lions might draft a QB, its not their #1 priority so if anyone is in a good trade position its the Lions. Miami would likely pay a little less for #3 (2 x rd1 + change?) and the Lions needs make trading down a good move.

Giants won't take Tua having put their faith in Dimes, so if Miami can't/won't pull off a trade they are likely looking at Tua with the 5th pick anyway, or at worst they get Herbert if someone else moves up (Chargers?). I'm not sure I see anyone else with the pressing need at QB and/or the draft capital until Denver and they don't have a lot to trade aside from multiple 3's and 4's this year.

I'm just not seeing where the motive is for trading the farm just to get Tua. Is he really that special?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1245306]To be honest, if you said Tua or Dwayne right now? I'd probably say Tua , kid is just deadly accurate but I'm not saying Dwayne won't be good.[/quote]

I guess I am the only one on the planet that is concerned about someone in their early 20's getting a hip injury. How many hip injuries on record from playing football, not many.

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Tua was programmed to be THE #1 draft pick before his hip injury. Now that he’s medically cleared, he.’s got A LOT of interest. He’s going to be someone’s franchise QB.

The real problem for the Redskins (if we’re looking for a big trade) is that with our front office and everyone else believing Chase Young is the BPA and our definite draft pick at #2, the logical thing for anyone who wants Tua is for them to trade with Detroit to get it.

The only team able to make an RG3-type trade is Miami. Why trade with the Redskins when they know we will take Chase? Cheaper with Detroit.

The Redskins would only give up Chase Young for Miami’s #5, it’s #18 and #39. With the #5 we could get Isaiah Simmons at LB ( position of need and the second BPA on defense) and -#18 they could get the top TE. Otherwise, why make the trade?

If there is an early draft trade, it will be with Detroit.


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[quote=Warthog;1245339]Tua was programmed to be THE #1 draft pick before his hip injury. Now that he’s medically cleared, he.’s got A LOT of interest. He’s going to be someone’s franchise QB.

The real problem for the Redskins (if we’re looking for a big trade) is that with our front office and everyone else believing Chase Young is the BPA and our definite draft pick at #2, the logical thing for anyone who wants Tua is for them to trade with Detroit to get it.

The only team able to make an RG3-type trade is Miami. Why trade with the Redskins when they know we will take Chase? Cheaper with Detroit.

The Redskins would only give up Chase Young for Miami’s #5, it’s #18 and #39. With the #5 we could get Isaiah Simmons at LB ( position of need and the second BPA on defense) and -#18 they could get the top TE. Otherwise, why make the trade?

If there is an early draft trade, it will be with Detroit.


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I'd take Jeff Okudah over Simmons

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Both the Lions at 3 and the Giants at 4 have said they are open to trade out of those spots.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1245329]Considering they are rebuilding and all but sold the house to get those picks I just don't see them trading to move up for Tua. While the Lions might draft a QB, its not their #1 priority so if anyone is in a good trade position its the Lions. Miami would likely pay a little less for #3 (2 x rd1 + change?) and the Lions needs make trading down a good move.

Giants won't take Tua having put their faith in Dimes, so if Miami can't/won't pull off a trade they are likely looking at Tua with the 5th pick anyway, or at worst they get Herbert if someone else moves up (Chargers?). I'm not sure I see anyone else with the pressing need at QB and/or the draft capital until Denver and they don't have a lot to trade aside from multiple 3's and 4's this year.

I'm just not seeing where the motive is for trading the farm just to get Tua. Is he really that special?[/quote]

With Lions management telling Patricia he has to win this year or else I dont see the Lions drafting a QB. They will stick with Stafford one more year and hope he can stay healthy because when he was healthy last year the Lions weren't bad.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1245338]I guess I am the only one on the planet that is concerned about someone in their early 20's getting a hip injury. How many hip injuries on record from playing football, not many.[/QUOTE]


I’m sure his medicals will be under intense scrutiny by teams during the pre-draft evaluations.

And things have come a long way since Bo’s injury.



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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1245338]I guess I am the only one on the planet that is concerned about someone in their early 20's getting a hip injury. How many hip injuries on record from playing football, not many.[/quote]

In today's medical world, I'd be willing to take that chance if I'm Miami

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[quote=irish;1245347]With Lions management telling Patricia he has to win this year or else I dont see the Lions drafting a QB. They will stick with Stafford one more year and hope he can stay healthy because when he was healthy last year the Lions weren't bad.[/quote]

I agree. I think both Quinn and Patricia pretty much have their jobs on the line this year, so drafting a QB in the first round doesn't seem too likely.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1245345]Both the Lions at 3 and the Giants at 4 have said they are open to trade out of those spots.[/QUOTE]



THIS!

Cincy want Burrows, we want Chase;

so if Miami wants Tua they just need to go to the Lions to get him. I don’t think the trade to get the third spot will involve nearly the monster trade ppl think it would be. The #5 and the #39 - PERIOD.

We’re getting CHASE! The Redskins will sell 5,000 more seats just to see what Chase does. Of course that still leaves 30k open seats! Lol.


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[quote=Warthog;1245362]THIS!

Cincy want Burrows, we want Chase;

so if Miami wants Tua they just need to go to the Lions to get him. I don’t think the trade to get the third spot will involve nearly the monster trade ppl think it would be. The #5 and the #39 - PERIOD.

We’re getting CHASE! The Redskins will sell 5,000 more seats just to see what Chase does. Of course that still leaves 30k open seats! Lol.

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If Miami wants an almost 100% guarantee that they'll get Tua (or technically Burrow) they will need to be in the #2 spot.

Trading before the draft with the Lions or the Giants, always leaves a potential risk of another team jumping ahead of them to #2 (Chucky and the Raiders could easily come to us offering their two first rounder and a 2021 first rounder - I know crazy, but I wouldn't put it past him).

And trading after the Redskins pick Chase at #2 during the draft, gives the Lions or the Giants the advantage in the negotiations IMO.


Just my two cents. I want Chase, but it'd be crazy not to think about how valuable our #2 pick will become, and I would honestly hate to be in the Dolphins' spot right now.

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I just think only Miami has the draft picks needed to make a RG3-type trade for our #2. Because they have the #5 that gets you an elite player with that pick and another first rounder that gets another starter (#18) in the first round. That and a second rounder might tempt Rivera (#5, 18, 39). No one else has that much juice.

I guess a team could offer a Ditka-like deal for ALL their picks, but is that worth it and would someone offer that again?


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Charlie Casserly makes so much sense in this. He says he's taking Young. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrgy-VvsV2c[/url]

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[quote=skinsfanmdc;1245385]Charlie Casserly makes so much sense in this. He says he's taking Young. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrgy-VvsV2c[/url][/quote]

It’s a no brainer..turn in the card

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Mel Kiper "You take Tua at 2, you can have all the Chase Youngs in the world but he's not Tua"

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1245417]Mel Kiper "You take Tua at 2, you can have all the Chase Youngs in the world but he's not Tua"[/quote]

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2020/insider/story/_/id/28723276/2020-nfl-mock-draft-20-mel-kiper-new-first-round-predictions-tua-tagovailoa-more[/url]

he still has us taking Chase

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[quote=mredskins;1245430][url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2020/insider/story/_/id/28723276/2020-nfl-mock-draft-20-mel-kiper-new-first-round-predictions-tua-tagovailoa-more[/url]

he still has us taking Chase[/quote]

He's trying to predict what the Skins will do and not stating what he thinks they should do.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1245439]He's trying to predict what the Skins will do and not stating what he thinks they should do.[/quote]

Gotcha, you are right.

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Mel Kiper is a tool. He usually writes lots of derogatory comments and articles on the Redskins. At least he says the Redskins may get better. Maybe with Bruce Allen gone and Rivera as the head executive, Kiper’s analysis will get more balanced.


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SO, I decided to do some research on what we might get in return if we traded the #2 pick to Miami. I came up with #5, #18, and #56. Then I looked at PFF's Top 100 to see who might be available with those picks. I came up with LB Isaiah Simmons at #5, CB Trevon Diggs at #18, and WR Justin Jefferson at #56. Now, that is quite a haul! They can all play and Simmons is The Truth!

THEN, I put on a Chase Young highlight reel. OMG! Chase Young is from another football universe! As a football fan and a Redskins fan, I just couldn't trade away the opportunity to pick Chase Young. I MUST have him on the Skins. The young man is pure football excitement.

NOW, I'm really worried that the Bengals will take Young with the #1 pick.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1245642]SO, I decided to do some research on what we might get in return if we traded the #2 pick to Miami. I came up with #5, #18, and #56. Then I looked at PFF's Top 100 to see who might be available with those picks. I came up with LB Isaiah Simmons at #5, CB Trevon Diggs at #18, and WR Justin Jefferson at #56. Now, that is quite a haul! They can all play and Simmons is The Truth!



THEN, I put on a Chase Young highlight reel. OMG! Chase Young is from another football universe! As a football fan and a Redskins fan, I just couldn't trade away the opportunity to pick Chase Young. I MUST have him on the Skins. The young man is pure football excitement.



NOW, I'm really worried that the Bengals will take Young with the #1 pick.[/QUOTE]



If we got the Miami “kings ransom” trade, then Isaiah Simmons and the others would ease the pain of losing Chase Young. Isaiah Simmons had a great Combine and a smoking 40 speed. He could play LB or maybe even Safety (?) with shades of Sean Taylor.

Cincinnati wants Burrows and I would be extremely surprised if they did not draft him. If they did draft Chase, then we WILL get the huge trade from Miami. Then we would get Simmons and the others. We would fill three positions of need with excellent draft picks!

Still, I give it a 99.9% chance we will draft Chase Young. If we don’t, I’ll eat crow on this thread and site! Either way we win.


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Redskins meeting stood out the most:

[url]https://sports.yahoo.com/chase-young-says-meeting-washington-183444266.html[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1245677]Redskins meeting stood out the most:

[url]https://sports.yahoo.com/chase-young-says-meeting-washington-183444266.html[/url][/quote]

:devil:

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1245677]Redskins meeting stood out the most:

[url]https://sports.yahoo.com/chase-young-says-meeting-washington-183444266.html[/url][/quote]

In all fairness, I'd expect him to say the same thing.. He wants the #2 Pick $ lol

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Just saw a short clip of an interview with NFL analyst Charles Young where he said that any trade for the #2 pick (Tua) "starts" with three first round picks going to the Redskins. The rebuilding Redskins must consider trading out of the #2 spot if three first round picks and more is offered by another team. They might even be able to pry away an established player at a position of need in such a trade.

If Tua is cleared medically and has an impressive Pro Day, get some popcorn and fasten your seatbelt! At that point, drafting Chase Young will no longer be a "no-brainer". The decisions the Skins might have to make regarding this pick could become gut-wrenching.

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Heard this from JP Finlay last week: If the Skins were guaranteed they could select CB Jeff Okudah at no 5....with all those additional picks from the Lions...the Skins would strongly consider/do the deal.

Okudah has some fans in the building.

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[quote=Chico23231;1245697]Heard this from JP Finlay last week: If the Skins were guaranteed they could select CB Jeff Okudah at no 5....with all those additional picks from the Lions...the Skins would strongly consider/do the deal.

Okudah has some fans in the building.[/quote]

He's a stud and would be a great addition with the extra picks

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I'm already tired of all the possible "scenarios".

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I would like to see all the mock drafts graded after the fact. I wonder what the furthest anyone has gotten 100% correct? I bet even getting the top 10 correct is rare.

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[quote=MTK;1245700]I'm already tired of all the possible "scenarios".[/quote]

Gets old for sure.

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Draft Chase and call it a day

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1245703]Draft Chase and call it a day[/quote]

I love Chase as a player but it's just not that simple anymore if multiple teams get into a bidding war to move up for Tua.

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[quote=MTK;1245700]I'm already tired of all the possible "scenarios".[/quote]

Just 2 more months of this....

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Wouldn't you love to draft for Miami this year? They have fourteen draft picks, three firsts, two seconds, and three fifths among them.

Here they are listed: 1-5, 1-18, 1-26, 2-39, 2-56, 3-70, 4-142, 5-153, 5-162,
5-173, 6-185, 6-197, 7-246, 7-250.

They can do just about anything they want to do.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1245706]I love Chase as a player but it's just not that simple anymore if multiple teams get into a bidding war to move up for Tua.[/quote]

Don’t care, want Chase. Address the holes through FA and draft, I’m thinking offer the Bucs a 4th or 5th rounder for OJ Howard or Dunbar for Howard.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1245706]I love Chase as a player but it's just not that simple anymore if multiple teams get into a bidding war to move up for Tua.[/quote]

Agreed. Anyone who thinks we should draft Chase no matter what is an idiot. We are two months away from the draft. The skins should not be "locked in" on any one player or any one approach (trade up/down or stay put).

In a vacuum, the team could have Tua graded higher. We don't know their board. Even THEY don't know their board yet. And even if Chase Young ends up as their #1 rated player, there is a clear scenario (with Detroit) where they trade down to #3 and still get him. The team reportedly loves Okudah. If they could trade back a few spots, get Okudah and a haul of picks to address other needs with elite talent, they'd have to consider it. And there is a possibility Miami or someone else makes them an offer they simply cannot refuse.

Bottom line is that, unlike a lot of narrow-minded fans, the skins are being incredibly smart. They are doing everything they can to drive up the value of the #2 overall pick. Rivera is going to ensure that, by the time the team is on the clock, they will be able to compare the best player on their board (whoever that is) with the best trade offer possible. And then act accordingly. Bravo to Rivera and Kyle Smith. It is so refreshing to have competent decision makers running the show.

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A stunning statistic regarding first-team All-Pro players and the Washington Redskins came out today. It's one that could explain why the struggles have been very real over the two decades.

In a list compiled by Jared Tokarz, it was revealed at the 31 of 32 teams have featured at least one first-team All-Pro performer over the last ten years. The only team that hasn't?

You guessed it, your very own Redskins.
[url]https://247sports.com/nfl/washington-redskins/ContentGallery/The-last-10-Washington-Redskins-first-team-AP-All-Pros-118281757/#118281757_1[/url]

The last Skins all pro? P Matt Turk in the 90s.

2019 - Tress Way is the only player on our team who we can say is the best at his position.

We need elite talent. We need elite players to make elite plays and elite impact on the game. We have a bunch of young players, we have a handful of really good players ... we have zero game changers.

Get me the game changer edge rusher please. (Sure wait the 10 minutes to see if a team gives you a ridiculous haul and dont pull an Orakpo ... but I dont see a team offering enough me enough to back off Chase Young).