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[quote=MTK;1249702]Nothing more dumb right now than people out protesting the stay at home orders, like seriously WTF

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Agree

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[quote=Giantone;1249699]BAM! mike drop!


This is what it is all about .[/quote]

Lol the “help that gets to the needy”

FFS, small business owners are the hardest working people in the country to insult them as needy...lol. We are trying to subsidize their employees wages, rent, etc...we want them to keep paying there workers and not layoff in order to get over a 2 month hump.

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[quote=MTK;1249702]Nothing more dumb right now than people out protesting the stay at home orders, like seriously WTF

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There are a lot of people who live paycheck to paycheck without a safety net or credit to get them by. Many of them through no fault of their own. They want to and need to get back to work. In many ways making a living by entering the workforce without trade school skills or an education is a lot more difficult than days gone by. I could write a book, but I will just give one example. Back when I graduated from High School 40 years ago passing an aptitude test could get you accepted as an apprentice in a trade where starting pay was two times minimum wage or more. Today trainees in those same trades are paid minimum wage.

Minimum wage was $2.90 an hour in 1979 when I was accepted in as a machinist apprentice and paid $5.85 an hour. About the only skill I had for the job was being a whiz at math. With a 45 hour work week which was industry standard, one week's take home wages paid my rent and I had no roommates kicking in.

Fast forward to the present, the entry level jobs like I took 40 years ago now pay minimum wage, plus housing costs have increased over and above the rate of inflation. Today that trainee job I took at a 45 hour a week will return $345 weekly less taxes. If anyone can rent a whole apartment monthly for that week's pay, raise your hand.

While I am disgusted with young people who grow up slow and whose life revolves around video games and constant attention to their cell phones, I will admit some things are harder on them than in past generations.

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Also sunnyside, why would pelosi and Schumar agree to the first installment of the PPP if there was this so-called biased plan? U are telling me they were complicit?

No they weren’t, because it a non issue...they are simply playing politics now in order to tack on liberal agenda ideals that don’t have to do with small business relief.

Don’t fall for it.

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I wish I could think the protests are about people wanting to work, but I think it’s more about that wacked out segment of the population that is anti government at all costs and believe any and all anti government conspiracy theories

In Austin TX they were chanting fire Fauci... that is some fucked up shit

Just as I’m typing this I came across an article that said the protest in Austin was organized by a host from a show on InfoWars... tells me all I needed to know


[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/18/us/texas-protests-stay-at-home.html[/url]


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[quote=Chico23231;1249718]Also sunnyside, why would pelosi and Schumar agree to the first installment of the PPP if there was this so-called biased plan? U are telling me they were complicit?

No they weren’t, because it a non issue...they are simply playing politics now in order to tack on liberal agenda ideals that don’t have to do with small business relief.

Don’t fall for it.[/quote]

Chico, I’ve read article after article from various different aspects all saying the same thing. Hedge funds and well to do corporations with pre existing briskness relationships with big banks are getting the money and not the local mom and pop stores.

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This isn't the way the business rescue plan was supposed to work. Millions of small businessmen and women can't get to the front of the queue for desperately needed loans, while many healthy larger businesses are feeding at the trough and laughing at taxpayers all the way from the bank.

What happened is that thousands of financially healthy businesses are getting loans of $100,000 to $3 or $4 million and they are pocketing the money. They weren't going to lay off workers in the first place.

[url]https://www.foxbusiness.com/small-business/coronavirus-ppp-small-business-bucks[/url]

^^^ this is from Stephen Moore who is on trumps economic recovery team saying the same thing.

—————-

Making sure the money gets to Main Street and not Wall Street is important before we give 350 billion more.

Besides, sounds like the new money will have Pelosi and Schumer’s restrictions so .... win for America, I think we can all support that.

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Lol small business loans go to small business...Regulatory controls that only allow for these operations along with client faced teams only in that space submit these loans.

U can continue to believe this these client faces groups are working togethe to circumvent these actions on that level while the wizard of oz sits behind the curtain at another level and
Presses the approve button

Keep on chasing windmill buddy..:but remember, Nancy pelosi and Chuck Schumer allowed for these egregious, biased based plan the first time several weeks ago when they voted for its approval...from what you are telling me, blood is on their hands then..

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Chico — I don’t know what more to say. I really don’t. This particular issue seems pretty clear .... this isn’t even a republican v Democrat problem. They rolled out the PPP as fast as they could and now that they can see the problems, they want to fine tune it so it goes to the people that actually need it when they do the second, third, fourth roll out.

I’m not slamming republicans for this ... except to the extent graham and a handful or republicans are resisting the fine tune and trying to claim “pelosi has blood on her hands” and that she is “playing politics”.

Making sure the money goes where it is intended to go is important and shouldn’t even be resisted by graham and co.

Besides ... sounds like the restrictions will be included so win for Main Street America.

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This dummy is probably anti-abortion as well.




[quote=MTK;1249702]Nothing more dumb right now than people out protesting the stay at home orders, like seriously WTF

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[quote=jamf;1249735]This dummy is probably anti-abortion as well.[/quote]

..........that has nothing to do with this..........................

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[QUOTE=jamf;1249735]This dummy is probably anti-abortion as well.[/QUOTE]


Yeah I don’t want to hear anyone who is in favor of prematurely reopening the economy even if it costs lives call themselves pro life ever again


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[quote=jamf;1249735]This dummy is probably anti-abortion as well.[/quote]

Is that a dude or a chick? I cannot tell.

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[URL="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/17/far-right-coronavirus-protests-restrictions"]The rightwing groups behind wave of protests against Covid-19 restrictions[/URL]

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I mean you can't make this shit up: [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/maryland/comments/g3niq3/i_simply_cannot_believe_that_people_are/fnstpyl/[/url]

Like that is publicly available data and sure as shit looks MAD suspicious.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1249761]I mean you can't make this shit up: [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/maryland/comments/g3niq3/i_simply_cannot_believe_that_people_are/fnstpyl/[/url]

Like that is publicly available data and sure as shit looks MAD suspicious.[/quote]

MSM really needs to be all over this

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1249761]I mean you can't make this shit up: [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/maryland/comments/g3niq3/i_simply_cannot_believe_that_people_are/fnstpyl/[/url]

Like that is publicly available data and sure as shit looks MAD suspicious.[/quote]

Russians again? that's what I see in the thread...*sigh*

"The 80's called and they want there foreign policy back" - Obama 2012

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Major U.S. restaurant chains have secured millions in government-backed loans that Congress created to keep small businesses afloat during the coronavirus pandemic.

Under the $349 billion Paycheck Protection Program, which ran out of money last week, Potbelly Corp., the nationwide sandwich shop chain, and Ruth's Hospitality Group, which operates a series of steakhouses, are among the big restaurants that have reported receiving loans. Prior to the virus outbreak, they reported employing thousands of workers.

Congress established the program for businesses that employ fewer than 500 workers in the $2.2 trillion CARES Act. But restaurants and hotels were granted some flexibility in the legislation — so long as they employed no more than 500 workers at any single location, they could apply for the aid.

[url]https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/big-restaurant-chains-small-business-relief-jpmorgan-backlash[/url]

Not sure how I view this. Ideally huge companies like Ruth Chris steakhouse wouldn’t get PPP money ... but if they use it to keep employees on the payroll, thousands of employees on the payroll ... doesn’t that mean regular joes and janes are still employed and getting a paycheck vs being laid off?

Perhaps they will just take the super low interest loan and not worry about qualifying for a write off.

I just can’t see Ruth Chris restaurants even being open right now so how could they still employ people if there is no work to do?

Good for shake shack to give back the money.

Also read an article JP Chase didn’t process loans on first come first served as required and “shuffled” the applications giving the biggest loan requests priority bc they got a bigger fee out of it.

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[quote=SunnySide;1249778]Major U.S. restaurant chains have secured millions in government-backed loans that Congress created to keep small businesses afloat during the coronavirus pandemic.

Under the $349 billion Paycheck Protection Program, which ran out of money last week, Potbelly Corp., the nationwide sandwich shop chain, and Ruth's Hospitality Group, which operates a series of steakhouses, are among the big restaurants that have reported receiving loans. Prior to the virus outbreak, they reported employing thousands of workers.

Congress established the program for businesses that employ fewer than 500 workers in the $2.2 trillion CARES Act. But restaurants and hotels were granted some flexibility in the legislation — so long as they employed no more than 500 workers at any single location, they could apply for the aid.

[url]https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/big-restaurant-chains-small-business-relief-jpmorgan-backlash[/url]

Not sure how I view this. Ideally huge companies like Ruth Chris steakhouse wouldn’t get PPP money ... but if they use it to keep employees on the payroll, thousands of employees on the payroll ... doesn’t that mean regular joes and janes are still employed and getting a paycheck vs being laid off?

Perhaps they will just take the super low interest loan and not worry about qualifying for a write off.

I just can’t see Ruth Chris restaurants even being open right now so how could they still employ people if there is no work to do?

Good for shake shack to give back the money.

Also read an article JP Chase didn’t process loans on first come first served as required and “shuffled” the applications giving the biggest loan requests priority bc they got a bigger fee out of it.[/quote]

If you are talking about a bank that broke the law or business circumvented the application...Thank you to the existing Controls and Regs that are effectively working. I think its Wells Fargo by the way.


Side note:

I cant get over people who are mad the response but want the Government to run healthcare industry.

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[quote=MTK;1249702]Nothing more dumb right now than people out protesting the stay at home orders, like seriously WTF

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1. She is kind of hot.

2. She is kind of dumb, the mask is to protect others not to protect yourself and she supports Trump

3. I still do her. =)

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[quote=Chico23231;1249776]Russians again? that's what I see in the thread...*sigh*

"The 80's called and they want there foreign policy back" - Obama 2012[/quote]

Just putting it out there for comment. I mean there's legit info you can glean from that (obviously tons of conspiracy theory stuff in there as well). Regardless, someONE (or group) is just making a shit ton of these sites? I mean that is MAD fishy.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1249782]Just putting it out there for comment. I mean there's legit info you can glean from that (obviously tons of conspiracy theory stuff in there as well). Regardless, someONE (or group) is just making a shit ton of these sites? I mean that is MAD fishy.[/quote]

sure...but its probably a conservative group setting these up, trying to spread the "open up the state" movement with other conservative groups around the country. Who knows? We saw progressive "astroturf" the same type of way paying protesters "per diem" to protest the Kavanaugh nomination. Its similar tactics used by both sides.

I will say this...I know a progressive married couple in Richmond and they are on board with the open the state up movement. Folks, like it or not, working affects both Dems and Reps, Left wingers, right wingers...people are struggling. If you have seen the food drives in Maryland and Texas...cars lined up for miles, that's a real thing.

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[quote=mredskins;1249781]1. She is kind of hot.

2. She is kind of dumb, the mask is to protect others not to protect yourself and she supports Trump

3. I still do her. =)[/quote]

I oppose nose bull rings and those disgusting gaping ear hole piercings in every way possible. Like WTF would anyone voluntarily do that to their ears for.

That being said, I still agree with No. 3.

I'd still do her too lol!

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Russia and China both want our country to have infighting, discord, and economic problems. That applies to Democrats and Republicans. They do a good job of getting us to fight each other rather than realizing the truth. They are against all of us and will use any means necessary. We gotta unite the clans.

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[quote=Chico23231;1249786]sure...but its probably a conservative group setting these up, trying to spread the "open up the state" movement with other conservative groups around the country. Who knows? We saw progressive "astroturf" the same type of way paying protesters "per diem" to protest the Kavanaugh nomination. Its similar tactics used by both sides.

I will say this...I know a progressive married couple in Richmond and they are on board with the open the state up movement. Folks, like it or not, working affects both Dems and Reps, Left wingers, right wingers...people are struggling. If you have seen the food drives in Maryland and Texas...cars lined up for miles, that's a real thing.[/quote]

I identify as a democrat and I am on board with the protests. In SOME of the states, i feel the governors have went too far. Who comes in and saves the people if a Governor were to go crazy? Is there anything that lets the Feds take over? Just a few days ago Michigan's governor told people that if they kept protesting, she would make the lockdowns go on even longer if they kept it up. So in a pissing match like that, who saves the citizens if the Governor sets out to deny them their basic freedoms out of spite?

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[quote=Chico23231;1249780]If you are talking about a bank that broke the law or business circumvented the application...Thank you to the existing Controls and Regs that are effectively working. I think its Wells Fargo by the way.


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I cant get over people who are mad the response but want the Government to run healthcare industry.[/quote]

chico a little something Pelosi is trying to correct but hey screw it ,right?


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/harvard-richest-9-million-cares-aid-033517131.html[/url]

Harvard University, already supported by a massive $41 billion endowment, is getting nearly $9 million in taxpayer aid from the federal Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act, the U.S. Department of Education announced.

Under the terms of the payout from CARES’ Higher Education Emergency Relief Fund, at least half of the $8.7 million earmarked for Harvard must be reserved for emergency financial grants to students, according to the Harvard Crimson, which was the first to report the aid.

But at least some of that money — which could be used to cover tuition payments and course materials — would also end up in Harvard coffers. The funds would also likely be spent on extra technology, food and housing costs that students incurred amid “disruptions in their education” due to COVID-19, according to CARES provisions

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[quote=Chico23231;1249780]If you are talking about a bank that broke the law or business circumvented the application...Thank you to the existing Controls and Regs that are effectively working. I think its Wells Fargo by the way.


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I cant get over people who are mad the response but want the Government to run healthcare industry.[/quote]

I’ve been reading about J.P. Morgan chase. They are one of two banks in California getting sued. In addition to Wells Fargo, b of a etc

[url]https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/04/20/small-businesses-sue-chase-bank-over-handling-stimulus/5163654002/[/url]

There’s a difference between being mad ... and trying to read and understand an issue.

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[quote=SunnySide;1249800]I’ve been reading about J.P. Morgan chase. They are one of two banks in California getting sued. In addition to Wells Fargo, b of a etc

There’s a difference between being mad ... and trying to read and understand an issue.[/quote]

[url]https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/wells-fargo-chase-sued-over-handling-of-paycheck-protection-program-loans[/url]

Wells Fargo just can't stop fucking up. They manage our 401K at my job. Hopefully their investment practices are better than their banking practices.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1249794] So in a pissing match like that, who saves the citizens if the Governor sets out to deny them their basic freedoms out of spite?[/quote]

The Governor does what is right for the people,even if they are too stupid to understand for themselves,it's why she was elected,it's her job.

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[quote=SunnySide;1249800]I’ve been reading about J.P. Morgan chase. They are one of two banks in California getting sued. In addition to Wells Fargo, b of a etc

[url]https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/04/20/small-businesses-sue-chase-bank-over-handling-stimulus/5163654002/[/url]

There’s a difference between being mad ... and trying to read and understand an issue.[/quote]

SS this doesn’t speak to pelosi holding up the funding or a reason...all these entities qualified appropriately for funding as well as without a known KYC biased based. I think it’s gonna fairly obvious if they misappropriated funds based on approvals ...it was directed as first come for serve...this will be an easy audit to see if their is any bases for the suit.

I didn’t know about chase...Wells Fargo was having issues 3 weeks ago, no surprise there.

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[quote=SunnySide;1249800]I’ve been reading about J.P. Morgan chase. They are one of two banks in California getting sued. In addition to Wells Fargo, b of a etc

[url]https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/04/20/small-businesses-sue-chase-bank-over-handling-stimulus/5163654002/[/url]

There’s a difference between being mad ... and trying to read and understand an issue.[/quote]

SS this doesn’t speak to pelosi holding up the funding or a reason...all these entities qualified appropriately for funding as well as without a known KYC biased based. I think it’s gonna fairly obvious if they misappropriated funds based on approvals ...it was directed as first come for serve...this will be an easy audit to see if their is any bases for the suit.

I didn’t know about chase...Wells Fargo was having issues 3 weeks ago, no surprise there.

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[quote=Chico23231;1249815]SS this doesn’t speak to pelosi holding up the funding or a reason...all these entities qualified appropriately for funding as well as without a known KYC biased based. I think it’s gonna fairly obvious if they misappropriated funds based on approvals ...it was directed as first come for serve...this will be an easy audit to see if their is any bases for the suit.

I didn’t know about chase...Wells Fargo was having issues 3 weeks ago, no surprise there.[/quote]

You could say that again!

Edit: And of course this pops up on a new page. Loses its luster from previous page. Not that it had much to begin with.

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Democrats are all fucking idi..., jk, its draft week babaaaaayyyy!!!! If there was ever a year I'm looking forward to it, this is the one.

I'll probably watch either the games in full or the highlights of every player's team we pick in the draft this year.

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Wonder what trump will say about this shit???



[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/state-report-russian-chinese-iranian-083002174.html[/url]

State report: Russian, Chinese and Iranian disinformation narratives echo one another

China, Iran and Russia are using the coronavirus crisis to launch a propaganda and disinformation onslaught against the United States, the State Department warns in a new report.

The three governments are pushing a host of matching messages: that the novel coronavirus is an American bioweapon, that the U.S. is scoring political points off the crisis, that the virus didn’t come from China, that U.S. troops spread it, that America’s sanctions are killing Iranians, that China’s response was great while the U.S.’ was negligent, that all three governments are managing the crisis well, and that the U.S. economy can't bear the toll of the virus.

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[quote=Giantone;1249885]Wonder what trump will say about this shit???



[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/state-report-russian-chinese-iranian-083002174.html[/url]

State report: Russian, Chinese and Iranian disinformation narratives echo one another

China, Iran and Russia are using the coronavirus crisis to launch a propaganda and disinformation onslaught against the United States, the State Department warns in a new report.

The three governments are pushing a host of matching messages: that the novel coronavirus is an American bioweapon, that the U.S. is scoring political points off the crisis, that the virus didn’t come from China, that U.S. troops spread it, that America’s sanctions are killing Iranians, that China’s response was great while the U.S.’ was negligent, that all three governments are managing the crisis well, and that the U.S. economy can't bear the toll of the virus.[/quote]

It’s pretty sickening but not surprising.

Those who doubted in the past during crisis get bitch slapped to the nth degree 100% of the time.

Russia and Iran are getting fucked up the ass with the oil... always good to see

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But saying that the U.S. Economy can't bear the toll of the virus, is that really false news? Things are going to shit here at an alarming rate and will only get worse in the coming months.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1249895]But saying that the U.S. Economy can't bear the toll of the virus, is that really false news? Things are going to shit here at an alarming rate and will only get worse in the coming months.[/quote]

BS, you and your "sky is falling attitude" .Everyone is worried just not panicked like you are.

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Just reading that Harvard got $9M from the small business stimulus... wtf is going on here?? Why are publicly traded companies and a fucking university getting money from this?? Meanwhile the public is getting $1200 which barely covers rent or a mortgage for most people. Where the hell is our bailout??

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[quote=MTK;1249914]Just reading that Harvard got $9M from the small business stimulus... wtf is going on here?? Why are publicly traded companies and a fucking university getting money from this?? Meanwhile the public is getting $1200 which barely covers rent or a mortgage for most people. Where the hell is our bailout??[/quote]

That seems weird. Do you happen to have the article to link? I only ask because it could be that Harvard is the parent corporation of a small business - it's common for universities to own little research companies or other little business ventures that grew from recent innovation. It could be that small business picked up the $9M and it's being reported as Harvard receiving as the parent corporation.

Still, your point stands, I don't think that's what we the public have in mind when we think of small business relief. We think of the pizza shop on the corner.

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[quote=Schneed10;1249915]That seems weird. Do you happen to have the article to link? I only ask because it could be that Harvard is the parent corporation of a small business - it's common for universities to own little research companies or other little business ventures that grew from recent innovation. It could be that small business picked up the $9M and it's being reported as Harvard receiving as the parent corporation.

Still, your point stands, I don't think that's what we the public have in mind when we think of small business relief. We think of the pizza shop on the corner.[/quote]

[URL="https://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2020/04/21/why-is-harvard-getting-9-million-in-stimulus-money-when-it-has-a-40-billion-endowment/#6c37c8ed6f00"]Why Is Harvard Getting $9 Million In Stimulus Money When It Has A $40 Billion Endowment?[/URL]

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[quote=Giantone;1249908]BS, you and your "sky is falling attitude" .Everyone is worried just not panicked like you are.[/quote]

All due respect to you, but you are wrong about it being BS. I'm not having a sky is falling attitude on that statement, i am looking at the numbers. The numbers simply do not lie.

23 million people unemployed in two months. That's 11.5 million people losing their jobs a month. Do the math and figure out how that number climbs every month that we stay shut down. Our economy is not handling anything well when you have that many people unemployed and those numbers just keep going up.