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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1257837]

- If somebody else needs to be cut in order to keep all 5 RB's, [B]why keep a mediocre backup WR instead of either McKissic or Gibson when both of these RB's have experience as WR's ( McKissic in the NFL) and can be used at WR as needed? [/B]Also, both of these players are explosive and not ho-hum.
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My thoughts exactly

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1257838]My thoughts exactly[/quote]

I see them keeping 5 RB's and following the SF model from last year.

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Jp finaly -

I've noticed the Washington O-line trying different combos at center and left guard - today it's rookie Keith Ismael at center and Chase Roullier at left guard

Also Jason Garnett got run with the first team a couple days ago.

Folks, left guard is an issue again

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They draft based on best player available.. makes no sense to not keep the best players on the final roster ..I’ve always scratched my head when the cut a good player to keep a so so player at another position .. if that’s the way you view it then why not draft by needs ? Makes no sense ..

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[quote=Chico23231;1257842]Jp finaly -

I've noticed the Washington O-line trying different combos at center and left guard - today it's rookie Keith Ismael at center and Chase Roullier at left guard

Also Jason Garnett got run with the first team a couple days ago.

Folks, left guard is an issue again[/quote]Yes it is. Don't think the staff is totally sold on Wes Martin. I know he got an earful from Rivera lately. Color me worried about our tackles. We sure better hope Moses and Christian work out.

Haskins is the type of qb that I think will kill it with good pass protection- which was terrible last season. He deserves at least a decent oline. Fingers crossed.

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1257847]Yes it is. Don't think the staff is totally sold on Wes Martin. I know he got an earful from Rivera lately. Color me worried about our tackles. [B]We sure better hope Moses and Christian work out.[/B]

Haskins is the type of qb that I think will kill it with good pass protection- which was terrible last season. He deserves at least a decent oline. Fingers crossed.[/quote]

You've got a better chance of becoming the Queen of England than seeing those two work out as our starting OT's.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1257848]You've got a better chance of becoming the Queen of England than seeing those two work out as our starting OT's.[/quote]Lol what other options do they have? Charles is hurt and may become a guard anyway. Haven't heard much about Lucas.

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1257852]Lol what other options do they have? Charles is hurt and may become a guard anyway. Haven't heard much about Lucas.[/quote]

If you stay in front of the down and distance, you can do things to protect the O-Line. You can keep a TE in to block or have a RB chip on the way out.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1257837]The WFT is definitely positioned to keep 5 RB's, if they want to do so. I think they should. Here are my reasons, not in order of importance but simply as they come to mind.

- AP is still your bell cow. He's on the team.

- You just can't cut exceptional young talents like Love and Gibson.

- If AP is injured and unable to play, who handles the short yardage inside running duties? It has to be Peyton Barber. He is a very tough and effective inside runner.

- If somebody else needs to be cut in order to keep all 5 RB's, why keep a mediocre backup WR instead of either McKissic or Gibson when both of these RB's have experience as WR's ( McKissic in the NFL) and can be used at WR as needed? Also, both of these players are explosive and not ho-hum.

- McKissic needs to play ahead of Gibson for now as the 3rd down back, as Gibson learns and develops.

[B]- If I ruled the roster, I would want to move Gibson to WR anyway. The idea of our future starting WR's being Terry McLaurin, Steven Sims, Jr. (slot), and Antonio Gibson is as explosive as it gets.[/B] Add to that Bryce Love and J.D. McKissic in the backfield with a top-notch TE (high draftee or FA) and we would be unstoppable.[/quote]

Agree. Gibson is a WR that can lineup in the backfield in sub packages.

I think we're satisfactory there this year.

Gandy-Golden is a small school rookie and Harmon is hurt, but I like both of them.

2021 season, WR will be a plus position imo:

McLaurin (will be a bonified superstar), Sims Jr., Gibson, Harmon, Gandy-Golden, will be a legit top 5.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1257842]Jp finaly -

I've noticed the Washington O-line trying different combos at center and left guard - today it's rookie Keith Ismael at center and Chase Roullier at left guard

Also Jason Garnett got run with the first team a couple days ago.

Folks, left guard is an issue again[/QUOTE]


Your comment on us having Left Guard problems is VERY worrisome. When TC started I thought Martin was going to move right up and in at LG. But Rivera DID publicly call out Martin, and not in a good way. Moving Roullier into LG means they are definitely looking for a “Plan B” because Martin isn’t getting it done.

I thought Christian was at his last TC, because of how poorly he played before. But he’s been getting kudos in practice. He’s improved mentally and physically. But he’s got big shoes to fill after all the great LT the Redskins have had over the years after Trent, Chris Samuels and before. Frankly, some of us have to see Christian do well, against real opponents before his metamorphosis is called real.

My worry has been at RT - Moses. He regressed a lot last year both in penalties and in protection. He did so badly that I think it hurt Scherff’s play. But the pressure is on Moses to get back to form. No way Rivera puts up with all those holding and other penalties. Unfortunately, the OL is thin, especially if Martin isn’t improving enough to start.

The hunt for the third WR is continuing. Inman may have the inside track due to his experience. Gandy-Golden has had problems assimilating all the aspects of pro football, but he did get cheated out of rookie camp, OTA’s and four Pre-season games, so it is tough to fault him at this point. So, he is the likely candidate to perhaps FINISH as the #2 WR. Cam Sims and Kidsy are possibilities but are really going to have to do extremely well to get noticed.

I agree, Keeping a talented RB, who can catch passes out of the backfield, may be better than holding onto a WR who has only shown potential over a couple years (like C. Sims or or Kidsy).

There are good things happening in some parts of the WFT roster but there are holes and a lack of depth!


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[quote=Warthog;1257859]Your comment on us having Left Guard problems is VERY worrisome. When TC started I thought Martin was going to move right up and in at LG. But Rivera DID publicly call out Martin, and not in a good way. Moving Roullier into LG means they are definitely looking for a “Plan B” because Martin isn’t getting it done. [/quote]

I must admit to having had high hopes before TC started that Martin would give us a solid interior to at least give the tackles a chance to be functional. Not so sure now. When RR called out Martin for effort JP Finley did say he thought that it was aimed at the young guys in general and I can understand the desire to swap guys around during practice so that they are able to fill in adequately when/if injuries happen during a game. But the signing of a former first round bust and putting him straight into first team reps has me thinking they are not at all happy with their options. It doesn't help that Schweitzer is injured. OL has to be a major focus next offseason.

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[quote=Warthog;1257859]My worry has been at RT - Moses. He regressed a lot last year both in penalties and in protection. He did so badly that I think it hurt Scherff’s play. But the pressure is on Moses to get back to form. No way Rivera puts up with all those holding and other penalties. Unfortunately, the OL is thin, especially if Martin isn’t improving enough to start.

I agree, Keeping a talented RB, who can catch passes out of the backfield, may be better than holding onto a WR who has only shown potential over a couple years (like C. Sims or or Kidsy).

There are good things happening in some parts of the WFT roster but there are holes and a lack of depth!

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Moses can't get back to form because he was never good enough to start at RT to begin with. Honestly, if the coaching staff plans to start Moses then I have no idea what they want at RT.

I think we have major problems at [U]both[/U] OT positions. I had hoped someone would step up to take a job at OT. Now I doubt it. Big disappointment.

I'm not as concerned about the interior OL. I think the coaches can figure out an interior line starting group that is serviceable

I wasn't talking about backs catching passes out of the backfield. I was suggesting that we move either Gibson or McKissic to full-time WR. In the new offense, they could also shift into the backfield and run plays form there.

I have another crazy high school level idea. We have a collection of beasts at DT. Perhaps we could have one of them work with the OL part-time and eventually take a starting job there. Perhaps Settle could become a bad-ass OL.

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Something I’ve heard about the coaching staff and the style...both our Oline coach John Matsko and tight end coach Pete Hoener are hard asses and it’s welcoming.

Jp was saying they are always loud and constantly instructing. They also are in their players ass. They aren’t here to fuck around. I think it’s a welcome approach. Not the soft camp b Mitch and doc walker referred to as a complete joke when Gruden was here

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Has anyone missed pre-season? I have not

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John Keim
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First OL: Christian and Wes Martin on the left side. Really testing Martin to see what he can do. They will get on him

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JP Finlay
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Ron Rivera addresses the team - “Today is going to be about competition.” Coach says there will be full contact red zone drills. Live live. Buckle up.

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From JP:

In the NFL, and the world, you have to take. Not give. Dwayne Haskins has been good but far from perfect, but he's taken the QB1 job.


It’s good news we aren’t talking Kyle Alle and Haskins is the guy.

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1257852]Lol what other options do they have? Charles is hurt and may become a guard anyway. Haven't heard much about Lucas.[/quote]

Just read an article by Keim on Twitter saying Lucas is one of his 3 descending players from camp.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1257876]Just read an article by Keim on Twitter saying Lucas is one of his 3 descending players from camp.[/quote]

Can u link it? Can’t find it

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[URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/washington-football/want-see-chase-young-stuff-adrian-peterson-goal-line-course-you-do"]Want to see Chase Young stuff Adrian Peterson at the goal line? Of course you do[/URL]

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[quote=MTK;1257879][URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/washington-football/want-see-chase-young-stuff-adrian-peterson-goal-line-course-you-do"]Want to see Chase Young stuff Adrian Peterson at the goal line? Of course you do[/URL][/quote]

Lol...dude is a straight man out there

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[quote=Chico23231;1257877]Can u link it? Can’t find it[/quote]

Sorry I was wrong it wasn't Keim. It was Peter Hailey of NBC Sports. Here is the link.


[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/washington-football/three-players-who-surged-and-three-players-who-struggled-washingtons-2020[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1257879][URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/washington-football/want-see-chase-young-stuff-adrian-peterson-goal-line-course-you-do"]Want to see Chase Young stuff Adrian Peterson at the goal line? Of course you do[/URL][/quote]

The lesson here. line up Young over the opponent's TE.

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Chase Young looks unstoppable

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Per everyone’s favorite, Jason La Cuntfora:

“Was just talking to a personnel guy about Fournette. He figured New England or Washington as potential teams who might claim him.“

Jp retweeted...

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What would Fournette offer in Turner's scheme? He's basically a fullback and offers no more longer term upside than Barber. Let the Pats pick him up and see him do nothing for them.

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I mean for the vet Min, why not?

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Fuck Fournette.

He doesn’t love the game

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Vikings beat reporter, forget who

Vikings will practice today at 2 PM but I’m told Riley Reiff isn’t expected to be there. He was in the building earlier this morning and it sounds like the Vikings have given him a deadline of tomorrow to decide whether he’ll take a restructured deal or be released.



This is a dude who I would get. Kick Charles inside at left guard

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[quote=Chico23231;1257904]Vikings beat reporter, forget who

Vikings will practice today at 2 PM but I’m told Riley Reiff isn’t expected to be there. He was in the building earlier this morning and it sounds like the Vikings have given him a deadline of tomorrow to decide whether he’ll take a restructured deal or be released.

This is a dude who I would get. Kick Charles inside at left guard[/quote]

Sounds like Cornelius Lucas has been a major disappointment, so they may just swap him out assuming they want to pay Reiffs salary

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1257904]Vikings beat reporter, forget who

Vikings will practice today at 2 PM but I’m told Riley Reiff isn’t expected to be there. He was in the building earlier this morning and it sounds like the Vikings have given him a deadline of tomorrow to decide whether he’ll take a restructured deal or be released.



This is a dude who I would get. Kick Charles inside at left guard[/QUOTE]


Agreed. RR is talented.


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[quote=EdmundDorf;1257905]Sounds like Cornelius Lucas has been a major disappointment, so they may just swap him out assuming they want to pay Reiffs salary[/quote]

I was on the early "Cornelius Lucas 2020 = Ereck Flowers 2019" train .. but yeah, not hearing much about Lucas lately. Sounds like Geron would be the starter LT if we played today.

Reiff is 31 and should immediately quiet concerns about LT. I imagine the Eagles would be the first team calling, wouldnt be surprised if the dont offer something like a conditional 5th for Reiff.

I think our O line is our weakest unit and may severely handicap play calling and Haskins development.

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Didn't think of the eagles, they tend to be agressive when trading picks so they would be the most obvious destination,

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According to @PFF_Vikings Riley stacks up like this:

Among 89 OTs Riley Reiff ranks

54th in sacks allowed with 5
39th in pressures allowed with 25
33rd in pass block grade with 73.2

So a guy that grades in the bottom of the top 1/3 essentially is going to be a huge upgrade for us, given what we currently have to deal with, even if he’s not close to being on level with the likes of what we used to have with Silverback.

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Maybe it's just me but I totally disagree with the decision not to play any preseason games this year. Expecting them to step up on the field in week 1 and be fully up to speed is asinine. A trial game for staff to adjust would be helpful too.

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[quote=mooby;1257920]Maybe it's just me but I totally disagree with the decision not to play any preseason games this year. Expecting them to step up on the field in week 1 and be fully up to speed is asinine. A trial game for staff to adjust would be helpful too.[/quote]

Referees too, they need all the practice they can get

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[quote=over the mountain;1257907]I was on the early "Cornelius Lucas 2020 = Ereck Flowers 2019" train .. but yeah, not hearing much about Lucas lately. Sounds like Geron would be the starter LT if we played today.

Reiff is 31 and should immediately quiet concerns about LT. I imagine the Eagles would be the first team calling, wouldnt be surprised if the dont offer something like a conditional 5th for Reiff.

[B]I think our O line is our weakest unit and may severely handicap play calling and Haskins development.[/B][/quote]

While I agree with the Oline being our weakest point on team, based on what I have been reading about what players are saying about Scott Turner and his offense, it seems as if Turner is being creative and include a lot of pre-snap movements to allow the offense identify what kind of base the defense is in. This can help the Oline to react better, 1 or 2 seconds can make a difference. Nonetheless, Oline is still a significant concern.

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[quote=GridIron26;1257927]While I agree with the Oline being our weakest point on team, based on what I have been reading about what players are saying about Scott Turner and his offense, it seems as if Turner is being creative and include [B]a lot of pre-snap movements to allow the offense identify what kind of base the defense is in[/B]. This can help the Oline to react better, 1 or 2 seconds can make a difference. Nonetheless, Oline is still a significant concern.[/quote]

Big fan of pre-snap movement. But it requires the play call to be sent in early and the Qb and O line to be well versed and on the same page. Id guess well see some growing pains with a second year QB, a few new faces to LT and LG and a new playbook/terminology/coaches.

After the past few seasons of watching injuries decimate our O line and then in turn decimate our play calling and execution .. I think I have some form of O line ptsd.

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[quote=GridIron26;1257927]While I agree with the Oline being our weakest point on team, based on what I have been reading about what players are saying about Scott Turner and his offense, it seems as if Turner is being creative and include a lot of pre-snap movements to allow the offense identify what kind of base the defense is in. This can help the Oline to react better, 1 or 2 seconds can make a difference. Nonetheless, Oline is still a significant concern.[/quote]It is a concern. However, I think you're going to see mainly quickly developing plays. Get the ball in Gibson, McKissic, Love, Sims, and McLaurin hands and let them go. All are money in open space. Pound the rock with Peterson also. This will be the primary recipe.

I would be surprised if the offense isn't better than last year. Not great but serviceable. I think people will be surprised somewhat. Worst thing about not having a great oline is not being able to use more deep, slow developing plays so Haskins can flash his cannon.

I think many are underestimating Haskins development/talent/hard work from last year and some of the guys we brought in. Gibson, McKissic, Thomas and Love can make this offense better. NFL is about making plays and that's what these guys do.

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Feels like nearly every year we fret about the OL in the preseason and things mostly turn out fine with that unit. Probably more than any other spot on the field you can mask weakness with smart schemes and coaching.