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Four.

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Haskins is a 1-2 year project AND THEN he still may be a Jason Campbell or Patrick Ramsey. Haskins was another questionable draft pick and personnel decision from Dan Snyder.

The trouble with this decision today to WIN NOW, is that so many pieces are missing on this team. Rivera didn’t really do anything in FA, except to try to get a top WR, who eventually went to Dallas. There were few other FA moves else except Fuller. Nothing in TE of significance. Nothing at WR except for Inman who is strictly a journeyman. Nothing big at the OL. So, Rivera was saving his cap money for next year.

Rivera has seen the fundamental footwork problems, which effected the accuracy of Haskins. The poor footwork only shows itself in games. Since there were no OTA’s or pre-season games, this footwork and his subsequent weak accuracy problems probably came as a surprise to Rivera. It also can’t be cured until the off-season or longer. Rivera doesn’t want to wait until longer.

I think two things have changed for Rivera. First: he was diagnosed with cancer this summer. Cancer is the ultimate REALITY CHECK. It is a huge bell that announces loudly that we are all mortal. Before he was diagnosed, Rivera might have been able to wait out his first season to see how Haskins and the other young players and also the one-year FA signing. Maybe he’s not so willing to wait until next year.

Obviously, the next change was Rivera realizing how weak the NFC East was. The Eagles are the top team in the NFC East and they have only one win AND the WFT beat them. So, Rivera is moving from the “before season” plan to the WIN NOW.

If Allen doesn’t win fast, then I think RR will move quickly to Alex Smith. If Smith doesn’t win, then I can see RR moving back to Haskins - AS LONG AS Haskins AND HIS AGENT, take this demotion well. As long as Haskins keeps his attitude in the right place and he keeps practicing well HASKIN’s HAS A CHANCE TO PLAY MORE GAMES this year. But if Allen or Smith does well, Haskins is done this year and maybe forever with this team.

I still think that the WFT will draft a QB with their first pick in the 2021 draft.


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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1261636]Four.[/quote]

You called it !!!

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1261636]Four.[/QUOTE]



Lol.

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[quote=Warthog;1261721]The trouble with this decision today to WIN NOW, is that so many pieces are missing on this team. Rivera didn’t really do anything in FA, except to try to get a top WR, who eventually went to Dallas. There were few other FA moves else except Fuller. Nothing in TE of significance. Nothing at WR except for Inman who is strictly a journeyman. Nothing big at the OL. So, Rivera was saving his cap money for next year.[/quote]

I agree that he's reassessed the division after what is effectively a preseason period. Before we were looking at 2nd position at best, most probably 3rd or 4th. Now we're looking at 1st or 2nd if we can improve offensively. After the Ravens game he was left in the middle ground; do we try to go all out now that we have the opportunity, or do we treat this season as an extended preseason and set up the offseason to be able to compete next year.

Whether its a new perspective (cancer) or simply taking advantage of the opportunity presented, he's saying we might as well try and win now, than sit back and be spectators as the East implodes.

Agree on Haskins. He needs to show over the remainder of the season he's willing to work to be what his physical attributes give him the potential to be. I hope he turns it around, but I fear the damage is already done. :(

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Thought; did Alex Smith getting injured ruin Haskins? OK, maybe a little stretch, but consider what was likely in the event Smith didn't get hurt:

Keenum likely wouldn't have been here.
Smith would most likely still be the starter with a view to Haskins taking over maybe next year.
Haskins would have had at least 2 seasons behind and being mentored by Smith.
Haskins would have seen a fraction of the scrutiny and criticism he's had in less than a full season of play.

Maybe he was already broken when he came here, but we'll never know that. Maybe the results would have been the same if he'd held the clipboard for 2 full seasons instead of 1/2 of one (so far). But maybe he'd have come in next year in a much better situation than last year?

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1261744]Thought; did Alex Smith getting injured ruin Haskins? OK, maybe a little stretch, but consider what was likely in the event Smith didn't get hurt:

Keenum likely wouldn't have been here.
Smith would most likely still be the starter with a view to Haskins taking over maybe next year.
Haskins would have had at least 2 seasons behind and being mentored by Smith.
Haskins would have seen a fraction of the scrutiny and criticism he's had in less than a full season of play.

Maybe he was already broken when he came here, but we'll never know that. Maybe the results would have been the same if he'd held the clipboard for 2 full seasons instead of 1/2 of one (so far). But maybe he'd have come in next year in a much better situation than last year?[/quote]
If smith stayed in, maybe we don't get the 15th pick. He was our guy, based on his contract.
If ifs and whats were maybes and buts, we'd all be kings on candy mountain.

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Baker went to a team that had lost 33 games out of 34 or some shit like that, he's been solid and looks like he's a legit starter.

Burrow = same situation, looks great so far.

Rosen = Same situation and sucks

Darnold = Just like Rosen, he's played poorly but not as bad as Rosen.

Haskins has had 11 games to show improvement and he hasn't.

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Haskins had 11 starts under 3 different head coaches. That's tough.

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[quote=MTK;1261758]Haskins had 11 starts under 3 different head coaches. That's tough.[/quote]

It is for sure, Rosen hasn't had it any better though.

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/10/08/dwayne-haskins-benched-washington/[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1261758]Haskins had 11 starts under 3 different head coaches. That's tough.[/quote]

Yes, unlike Rosen who looked like a deer in the headlights from the off.

Rivera might see Haskins as a reclamation project that needs 1-2 seasons of training and something of a reality check. Or he sees him as a wasted pick and we'll know that next spring.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1261764]Yes, unlike Rosen who looked like a deer in the headlights from the off.

Rivera might see Haskins as a reclamation project that needs 1-2 seasons of training and something of a reality check. Or he sees him as a wasted pick and we'll know that next spring.[/quote]

Given the leaks coming out I'm pretty sure Rivera is done with him

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I know some will scoff given the author, but it's hard to argue against much here

[URL="https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/dwayne-haskins-benching-with-no-washington-advocates-young-qb-caught-in-vortex-of-organizational-failure/"]Dwayne Haskins benching: With no Washington advocates, young QB caught in vortex of organizational failure[/URL]

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[quote=MTK;1261758]Haskins had 11 starts under 3 different head coaches. That's tough.[/quote]

And if I'm correct only started 14 college games. He has little experience playing at a high level I'll give him time.

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[quote=MTK;1261769]I know some will scoff given the author, but it's hard to argue against much here

[URL="https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/dwayne-haskins-benching-with-no-washington-advocates-young-qb-caught-in-vortex-of-organizational-failure/"]Dwayne Haskins benching: With no Washington advocates, young QB caught in vortex of organizational failure[/URL][/quote]

I agree with the jist of it, but I didn't even have to read the name to know it was some national writer with some petty horseshit grudge against us. I would have more respect for JLC if he would just do his job objectively without the bitterness he always has for DC.

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Rivera was basically hired as the GM and HC. I'm not holding him accountable for anything that happened before this year. He was brought in to restart this motherfucker. That always means some players are gonna be cut, etc. The situation is shitty by how it was handled with Gruden. No pretty way to handle it if he doesn't think Haskins is it. Let's see Allen this week and see if the offense looks way better.

Justin Fields > Trevor Lawrence

You heard it here 1st. I'm jumping back on the OSU horse.

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[quote=MTK;1261769]I know some will scoff given the author, but it's hard to argue against much here

[URL="https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/dwayne-haskins-benching-with-no-washington-advocates-young-qb-caught-in-vortex-of-organizational-failure/"]Dwayne Haskins benching: With no Washington advocates, young QB caught in vortex of organizational failure[/URL][/quote]

Good article. Its hard to argue with anything in it. I'm not sure any young QB could be successful in this cluster F of an organization.

I also agree with you that RR is done with Haskins. I'm still not sold on RR. He is essentially a .500 coach. I hope I'm wrong but I don't see RR here in 2024.

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Everything just seems like a shit show...first Haskins being chosen by the owner and NOT the football people in the org, then Jay handling of Haskins and now Ron telling me he wants to win now replacing Haskins but not a couple games ago where he didn’t use time outs to extend games.

Same ole shit

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[quote=Chico23231;1261777]Everything just seems like a shit show...first Haskins being chosen by the owner and NOT the football people in the org, then Jay handling of Haskins and now Ron telling me he wants to win now replacing Haskins but not a couple games ago where he didn’t use time outs to extend games.

[B]Same ole shit[/B][/quote]

It sure is! If DH is being judged after his performance in 4 games I think RR can also be judged. He's also failing.

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It's not just 4 games. They have seen him in practice everyday. They see things that we don't. Ron has been all over the place but it doesn't really matter. DH ain't his guy.

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[quote=irish;1261778]It sure is! If DH is being judged after his performance in 4 games I think RR can also be judged. He's also failing.[/quote]He had 12 games of Allen last year. Think he knows more than anyone who the better qb is. On the failing note, he left Cal as the all time leader in sacks/tackles at the time and has taken the Panthers to the playoffs 4 times including the Super Bowl. Why don't you express your failing notion for him to Snyder or anyone else with deaf ears? He is the perfect coach to fix this shipwreck of a franchise.

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Dwayne unfollowed the team on all social media accounts lol

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1261807]Dwayne unfollowed the team on all social media accounts lol[/quote]

Proves Rivera was wrong...that it took him 4 games to bench his candy ass. He's a manchild. I'd cut his ass tomorrow. He'll wash out of the league in a year or 2, and no one will give a fuck about his social media.

And I was on the Haskins wagon all the way through week 2 of this year. The dude is Peter Pan. Grow the fuck up.

Haskins - Write this down. Everyone in the NFL is talented. Your own teammate(s) told you the 3rd string guy was out working you. And you made no changes. Bye.

Name change: Felicia Haskins

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Another bum 1st round bust QB. I read all the articles about him that has came out since the benching. So many warning signs and red flags, even going back to college days. And yet there we were, ready to give up a precious #1 pick when nobody else would have done the same. Hope RR cuts his ass from the team.

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Have to give Jay Gruden props now

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1261811]Have to give Jay Gruden props now[/quote]

There is no need to get crazy!! It's only Thursday lol. Gruden has 100 other items to prove he had to go.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1261810]Another bum 1st round bust QB. I read all the articles about him that has came out since the benching. So many warning signs and red flags, even going back to college days. And yet there we were, ready to give up a precious #1 pick when nobody else would have done the same. Hope RR cuts his ass from the team.[/quote]

AT LEAST WE DIDN'T TRADE UP FOR HIM!!

Give me Justin Fields in 2021.

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[QUOTE=irish;1261778]It sure is! If DH is being judged after his performance in 4 games I think RR can also be judged. He's also failing.[/QUOTE]


You’re kidding right?

1. Dan Snyder picked Haskins. Yeah the same owner who picked RGIII over RUSSELL WILSON! Yeah, Jason Campbell, Ramsey, Jeff George, Hainesworth were all SNYDER hires? Gruden nor any other football person picked Haskins- just Snyder.

2. Gruden and the other football coaches saw Haskins as very raw and not NFL ready. Haskins was sulking at not having the first string QB position based on his draft pick number - he wasn’t studying and the like. Alex Smith sat Dwayne down and got him to start studying and getting him NFL ready.

3. Callahan didn’t think Haskins was NFL ready.

4. Haskins had two good final games last season.

5. Rivera sees Haskins all training camp. TC observers say Alex Smith was smoking Haskins in practice. Another sports radio observer said 20% of HASKIN’s passes were poor.

6. Sources, including a player, said that once Haskins was appointed into the QB spot he started to seriously slack off on film review and other things. The player said he saw Alex Smith coming into the practice facility before Haskins daily. Coaches told Haskins that without studying he’d never get good. He did not change but stayed on social media..

7. During the actual games this year, Haskins mechanics and footwork are awful. He rarely sets his feet, even with no close rushers, resulting in MISSING many passes on open WR / TE. Another team observer tallied all his throws and said 27% of Haskins passes were BAD. He rarely hits the WR in stride. Breaking bad habits takes time in the OFFSEASON, not in games where the footwork problems will get only get WORSE. Bad passes get the WR hurt or result in INT. Also, in the age of GREAT running QB, Haskin’s has been terrible at scrambling by taking huge sacks instead of ditching the ball.

8. Haskins hears rumors that he may be relieved and complains to his agent. Agent tweets a diatribe about how Dwayne got a raw deal, etc. More whining. Again, Dwayne selects spending time on social media over film study , practicing , etc.

8. Rivera and coaches decide Haskins is too raw and has bad study habit. This is the THIRD HC that thinks HASKINS is not ready for prime time.
But you know better?? Lol.

Rivera came in saying he wanted motivated players who are wanted to win! He let two GOOD players go who wanted to be elsewhere. Haskins DID NOT win the training camp QB competition- Alex Smith did. Once he was appointed to the starting QB he started slacking off in the practice facility - again beat by Alex Smith.

So you think a HC can turn around a 3 win team with a super-green QB in 4 games?

The bottom line is that Haskins is the of OHIO STATES awesome program. It had McLaurin and Chase Young to name a few on his team - both potentially Pro Bowlers in the NFL! Haskins was Uber-green with just one season of play and should never give been picked in the FIRST ROUND. FIRST ROUND is players who can START IMMEDIATELY in the NFL and potentially can be stars or superstars. Not a PROJECT PLAYER who will take a couple of years to develop and then may STILL be mediocre!! He should have been picked in the 2-4 round, NOT at the 15th pick!

THREE HEAD COACHES have spoken and and said Dwayne Haskins is not ready for the NFL. Maybe he’ll get a chance to start again, if he recovers and starts to study and improve his deficiencies! But after sending his agent on a rant, he’s now deleted ALL his social media ties to the WFT! Grow up, take your lumps - there will be other chances next year against the first round QB the RED Wolves draft next year!!


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They will trade him for a 6th or 7th soon

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Yea he is gone ...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1261823]They will trade him for a 6th or 7th soon[/quote]

Honestly with the way he's been pouting since, I don't see him lasting the season if Ron likes Allen/Smith enough. He might be shipped by the trade deadline.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1261823]They will trade him for a 6th or 7th soon[/quote]Maybe if a team will pony that up. The WFT isn't the only team noticing his immature, selfish antics.

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In ESPN’s TOTAL QB rating in 2020, Haskins the LEAST valuable QB in the NFL. Last!

For passes over 15 yds, Haskins completion percentage is HALF the NFL average.

Yet, ppl will defend him like he is the next coming of Peyton Manning or Joe Montana. He is ANOTHER draft bust by Dan Snyder.

Hopefully next year when the team drafts a QB, Dan Snyder will be gone as the owner or at the very least not part of the decision- making!


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Stop, nobody is saying he's Manning or Montana.

Tough to really judge a QB on 11 starts that's all.

He hasn't done enough to help himself for sure but he's also been dealt a shit hand.

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[quote=MTK;1261837]Stop, nobody is saying he's Manning or Montana.

Tough to really judge a QB on 11 starts that's all.

[B]He hasn't done enough to help himself for sure but he's also been dealt a shit hand[/B].[/quote]

I don't understand why people won't acknowledge both. Too many people putting all the blame on him, and his defenders putting all of the blame on the team.

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[quote=mooby;1261839]I don't understand why people won't acknowledge both. Too many people putting all the blame on him, and his defenders putting all of the blame on the team.[/quote]Because his fundamentals/accuracy have been poor since he's arrived in the NFL. His footwork is bad and he clearly has issues reading NFL defenses. Rookie, young qbs in the NFL need to at least demonstrate reasonable fundamental soundness. Haskins has not. He also hasn't displayed the greatest attitude at all. Just go back to his reaction when WFT drafted him. He nearly looked despondent. RR is no stupid man, and knows Haskins isn't the guy.

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1261841]Because his fundamentals/accuracy have been poor since he's arrived in the NFL. His footwork is bad and he clearly has issues reading NFL defenses. Rookie, young qbs in the NFL need to at least demonstrate reasonable fundamental soundness. Haskins has not. He also hasn't displayed the greatest attitude at all. Just go back to his reaction when WFT drafted him. He nearly looked despondent. RR is no stupid man, and knows Haskins isn't the guy.[/quote]

All of that may be true but it's also true he was drafted by one of the most poorly run organizations in all of sports under less than ideal conditions and not really given the support that most first round QBs get.

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[quote=MTK;1261845]All of that may be true but it's also true he was drafted by one of the most poorly run organizations in all of sports under less than ideal conditions and not really given the support that most first round QBs get.[/quote]

This. His cheerleader was the owner. It wasn't his first coaching staff, his second coaching staff, or his third coaching staff, in the span of a year no less. Most of that is his own fault for not having the work ethic to be great. But it takes an organization to help a rookie qb grow into an elite one. And having the turnover that we had makes it harder.

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1261841]Because his fundamentals/accuracy have been poor since he's arrived in the NFL. His footwork is bad and he clearly has issues reading NFL defenses. Rookie, young qbs in the NFL need to at least demonstrate reasonable fundamental soundness. Haskins has not. He also hasn't displayed the greatest attitude at all. Just go back to his reaction when WFT drafted him. He nearly looked despondent. RR is no stupid man, and knows Haskins isn't the guy.[/quote]

He's just not very good, it's that simple... Rosen is also bad, cut your losses before it's too late. Kyle Allen can be a good QB2 for this team. Draft a guy next yr and get the team built

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Dwayne Haskins is a grown man and has to take personal responsibility to be ready. It is his responsibility.
I have seen in the past several proactive rookie QB's hire/pay for a personal off season QB coach. Lord knows Dwayne can afford it.
Please do not give the Covid excuse as they can wear masks. A hired personal QB coach could have helped Dwayne work on fundamentals (his terrible footwork) and help Dwayne better learn his new playbook. I don't buy the poor little Dwayne Haskins is a victim of circumstance argument. He is not in jail.
I repeat an observation I made earlier, that Dwayne showed up to his NFL combine job interview out of shape and ran a terrible 40. One of the slowest in NFL history for QB. This is a CLEAR example of his work ethic and not taking personal responsibility in the past.
He is the one that has to do the work. Nobody is going to learn it or do it for him.
You can lead a horse to water..........
People making excuses for him is not going to help him learn and work hard.