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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1277430]not sure why Smith is coming back. he can't get away from the rush. it's a tough decision but you have to move on.[/QUOTE]I imagine he feels with offseason training and effort he can rehab and be effective. Not saying he can, just that it doesnt seem in his make-up to just be done with it.

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[QUOTE=Monkeydad;1277432]Goodbye.



Go root for the Rams.[/QUOTE]



We have all been WFT fans well before RR. Just because you are not in love with a particular coach or player doesn’t mean you cannot still be a fan. RR still has a long way to go. I will reserve judgment for a couple more seasons...but again we are fans of the franchise first and players and or coaches next. They come and go but we always here. Lol.

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[quote=punch it in;1277437]We have all been WFT fans well before RR. Just because you are not in love with a particular coach or player doesn’t mean you cannot still be a fan. RR still has a long way to go. I will reserve judgment for a couple more seasons...but again we are fans of the franchise first and players and or coaches next. They come and go but we always here. Lol.[/quote]

You are right. Just seems curious to jump ship now after all this team was able to overcome and accomplish this year. There's been plenty of other times in the past 20+ years that seem more worthy to bail. I feel like the team is collectively heading in the right direction for the first time in quite a while. Maybe not, but like you, I will reserve judgment for at least a couple more seasons.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1277438]You are right. Just seems curious to jump ship now after all this team was able to overcome and accomplish this year. There's been plenty of other times in the past 20+ years that seem more worthy to bail. I feel like the team is collectively heading in the right direction for the first time in quite a while. Maybe not, but like you, I will reserve judgment for at least a couple more seasons.[/QUOTE]



I completely agree. Seems like a weird time to finally get fed up. I just hate the notion that someone, in this case Jamf , has to be the fan of a HC who has been here a hot minute to root for the team he has rooted for his entire life.

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[quote=jamf;1277429]and Andrew Luck.
Their strategy, shit the bed so you get the first overall pick.

Rivera hiring anyone with connections.
Might as well hire Rob Kardashian and Sarah Huckabee.

I'm going to be the first off the Rivera bandwagon. F this guy and he cronies.[/quote]

I see everybody is shitting on you for this, but I won't. I disagree with you on this but otherwise I still value your opinions. Hope you're wrong because if you're right we're in for another 4-5 year stretch of mediocrity.

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[quote=mooby;1277440]I see everybody is shitting on you for this, but I won't. I disagree with you on this but otherwise I still value your opinions. Hope you're wrong because if you're right we're in for another 4-5 year stretch of mediocrity.[/quote]

Not shitting on anyone. He can do what he wants... feel how he wants...

Just questioning the timing.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277438]You are right. [B]Just seems curious to jump ship now after all this team was able to overcome and accomplish this year. [/B]There's been plenty of other times in the past 20+ years that seem more worthy to bail. I feel like the team is collectively heading in the right direction for the first time in quite a while. Maybe not, but like you, I will reserve judgment for at least a couple more seasons.[/quote]

Chief, I feel like you've probably been a fan as long as I've been alive, but for me I don't get excited after seasons like last year because that tends to have been amongst our greatest seasons for the past 30 years.

Since I became a fan, we've literally never had a top-to-bottom, front-to-back, start-to-finish great season. I'm talking 11-5 or better. Tough from the first minute of the first game to the last minute of the last one.

However I have witnessed Mark Brunell jump-start the season with 2 td's to Santana Moss in the last 5 minutes of a game against the Cowboys to eventually close out the season making the playoffs after winning 5 in a row. I have seen this team rally after Sean Taylor died to win 4? in a row to make the playoffs at 9-7. I have witnessed RG3 do the same shit, win a bunch in a row to make the playoffs after a mediocre start. And now I've witnessed Ron Rivera's squad do the same with a limited Alex Smith at qb.

Inspiring? Sure. Made for tv? Most def. Reasons to inspire confidence for next season? Nahhh. We got the heart. We still need the talent. And Ron is in a competitive race with half the league to find our qb for the foreseeable future and if he screws it up it most likely means the next 2+ seasons are wasted. So yeah I don't blame jamf for how he feels. If Ron truly is a great coach and team builder, he has to prove it this offseason.

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[quote=mooby;1277442]Chief, I feel like you've probably been a fan as long as I've been alive, but for me I don't get excited after seasons like last year because that tends to have been amongst our greatest seasons for the past 30 years.

Since I became a fan, we've literally never had a top-to-bottom, front-to-back, start-to-finish great season. I'm talking 11-5 or better. Tough from the first minute of the first game to the last minute of the last one.

However I have witnessed Mark Brunell jump-start the season with 2 td's to Santana Moss in the last 5 minutes of a game against the Cowboys to eventually close out the season making the playoffs after winning 5 in a row. I have seen this team rally after Sean Taylor died to win 4? in a row to make the playoffs at 9-7. I have witnessed RG3 do the same shit, win a bunch in a row to make the playoffs after a mediocre start. And now I've witnessed Ron Rivera's squad do the same with a limited Alex Smith at qb.

Inspiring? Sure. Made for tv? Most def. Reasons to inspire confidence for next season? Nahhh. We got the heart. We still need the talent. And Ron is in a competitive race with half the league to find our qb for the foreseeable future and if he screws it up it most likely means the next 2+ seasons are wasted. So yeah I don't blame jamf for how he feels. If Ron truly is a great coach and team builder, he has to prove it this offseason.[/quote]

I agree 100.

Everyone has a boner over winning literally the most pathetic division in NFL history. Plus we beat one team with a winning record. I am positive about the team but I am not ready to declare Ron or the team anything special. So far par for the course in Redskin land.

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[quote=jamf;1277429]and Andrew Luck.
Their strategy, shit the bed so you get the first overall pick.

Rivera hiring anyone with connections.
Might as well hire Rob Kardashian and Sarah Huckabee.

I'm going to be the first off the Rivera bandwagon. F this guy and he cronies.[/quote]

Polian didn't bring in Luck, yes they went 2-14 in his last year. I am on the fence on this hire, but I don't quite know how Polian counts as a Rivera crony. I suppose he could be, but I don't see the crony pathway for this one?

Polian is Bill Polian's son= long time AFC Colts connections. Hurney NFC Panthers, Mayhew NFC Lions. Just seems to me he is bringing in people that have experience turning teams around with a star qb. I don't see a huge problem with that?

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[quote=mooby;1277442]Chief, I feel like you've probably been a fan as long as I've been alive, but for me I don't get excited after seasons like last year because that tends to have been amongst our greatest seasons for the past 30 years.

Since I became a fan, we've literally never had a top-to-bottom, front-to-back, start-to-finish great season. I'm talking 11-5 or better. Tough from the first minute of the first game to the last minute of the last one.

However I have witnessed Mark Brunell jump-start the season with 2 td's to Santana Moss in the last 5 minutes of a game against the Cowboys to eventually close out the season making the playoffs after winning 5 in a row. I have seen this team rally after Sean Taylor died to win 4? in a row to make the playoffs at 9-7. I have witnessed RG3 do the same shit, win a bunch in a row to make the playoffs after a mediocre start. And now I've witnessed Ron Rivera's squad do the same with a limited Alex Smith at qb.

Inspiring? Sure. Made for tv? Most def. Reasons to inspire confidence for next season? Nahhh. We got the heart. We still need the talent. [B]And Ron is in a competitive race with half the league to find our qb for the foreseeable future and if he screws it up it most likely means the next 2+ seasons are wasted. [/B]So yeah I don't blame jamf for how he feels. If Ron truly is a great coach and team builder, he has to prove it this offseason.[/quote]
As I have pointed out, I think all the people he has brought in; Mayhew, Hurney, now Polian, have 1 thing in common, they have worked with and brought in elite qb's. You are absolutely right that the wrong QB now sets us up for many more mediocre to bad seasons. For that reason alone, I like him bringing in these guys that clearly understand the value and quality that the qb position requires.

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As a fan of any team all you can do is hope for the best. Nobody is making us stay fans , and we have no control over who runs the team so why get all worked up over it? All that matters is Wins and Losses, I don’t give a shit if Trump runs the team

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[quote=mooby;1277442]Chief, I feel like you've probably been a fan as long as I've been alive, but for me I don't get excited after seasons like last year because that tends to have been amongst our greatest seasons for the past 30 years.

Since I became a fan, we've literally never had a top-to-bottom, front-to-back, start-to-finish great season. I'm talking 11-5 or better. Tough from the first minute of the first game to the last minute of the last one.

However I have witnessed Mark Brunell jump-start the season with 2 td's to Santana Moss in the last 5 minutes of a game against the Cowboys to eventually close out the season making the playoffs after winning 5 in a row. I have seen this team rally after Sean Taylor died to win 4? in a row to make the playoffs at 9-7. I have witnessed RG3 do the same shit, win a bunch in a row to make the playoffs after a mediocre start. And now I've witnessed Ron Rivera's squad do the same with a limited Alex Smith at qb.

Inspiring? Sure. Made for tv? Most def. Reasons to inspire confidence for next season? Nahhh. We got the heart. We still need the talent. And Ron is in a competitive race with half the league to find our qb for the foreseeable future and if he screws it up it most likely means the next 2+ seasons are wasted. So yeah I don't blame jamf for how he feels. If Ron truly is a great coach and team builder, he has to prove it this offseason.[/quote]

Mooby, I've been a fan since I moved to N VA in 1982, and played youth football for BYRC - on the fields next to where John Riggins' son played baseball. I've seen those teams you are talking about, "tough from the first minute of the first game to the last minute of the last one," and unfortunately they have been gone for a long time. There can't be too many professional franchises that has made it tougher on their fans, than this one for the last ~30 years.

I agree there's work to be done. There always is, and if the organization isn't constantly working long hard hours trying to improve every aspect of the team, then they are destined to fail. It appears, at least on the surface, that this is exactly what they are doing.

But RR and his "cronies" have their work cut out for them this offseason. Last year, despite all RR went through and the Alex Smith story, was as close to a "gimme" as you can get. If this team hadn't successfully drafted a D-lineman in the first round over the past four years the results would likely have been much different. However, the results were the results, and I am excited about them.

Confidence is one thing. This new front office & coaching staff has to earn my confidence. Benefit of the doubt is another thing though. I refuse to look at every success this team manages to achieve with pessimism. I am inspired, even excited, that they were the team to ultimately win the division, rather than finish 2-4. It's something to build on. There's plenty of talent on this team, young talent, and I believe there's more on the way. Hopefully that starts with a QB that can help this team take another step forward.

There have been many reasons to not root for this team over the years, plenty of reasons to not even become a fan of this team for many years going now. This offseason seems like an odd time to make that decision - as a fan.

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if larry lockdown lets fans in next year what is played when the team scores a td? we have no more fight song. sad....

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[quote=mooby;1277442]Chief, I feel like you've probably been a fan as long as I've been alive, but for me[B] I don't get excited after seasons like last year because that tends to have been amongst our greatest seasons for the past 30 years.[/B]

Since I became a fan, we've literally never had a top-to-bottom, front-to-back, start-to-finish great season. I'm talking 11-5 or better. Tough from the first minute of the first game to the last minute of the last one.

However I have witnessed Mark Brunell jump-start the season with 2 td's to Santana Moss in the last 5 minutes of a game against the Cowboys to eventually close out the season making the playoffs after winning 5 in a row. I have seen this team rally after Sean Taylor died to win 4? in a row to make the playoffs at 9-7. I have witnessed RG3 do the same shit, win a bunch in a row to make the playoffs after a mediocre start. And now I've witnessed Ron Rivera's squad do the same with a limited Alex Smith at qb.

Inspiring? Sure. Made for tv? Most def. Reasons to inspire confidence for next season? Nahhh. We got the heart. We still need the talent. And Ron is in a competitive race with half the league to find our qb for the foreseeable future and if he screws it up it most likely means the next 2+ seasons are wasted. So yeah I don't blame jamf for how he feels. If Ron truly is a great coach and team builder, he has to prove it this offseason.[/quote]

exactly how i feel. 7-9 w/ a weak schedule against a lot of bad Qb's.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1277449]exactly how i feel. 7-9 w/ a weak schedule against a lot of bad Qb's.[/quote]

I've been preaching that since the season ended. A bunch of things fell their way this season. So what? At least they took advantage and came out on top. It's more than we've seen in a while...

I choose to be excited about the team's successes when they happen, and I choose to be hopeful for the future after the last game of every season. That's just me. I'm not a fan of this team only when they are dominating the rest of the league from the first whistle to the last. If that were the case, I would have been gone long ago.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1277449]exactly how i feel. 7-9 w/ a weak schedule against a lot of bad Qb's.[/QUOTE]Um we had bad qb play in alot of those losses, a head coach with cancer, no preseason (that affected new coaches exponentially more than establishef teams). The schedule is what it is. The team played well in the playoffs, against an all around strong team. Thats reason to be hopeful. Add in that it seems like Rivera has a plan and is executing it, and I think you have reason to believe with the right QB play we can make noise in the NFC

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[quote=jamf;1277429]and Andrew Luck.
Their strategy, shit the bed so you get the first overall pick.

Rivera hiring anyone with connections.
Might as well hire Rob Kardashian and Sarah Huckabee.

I'm going to be the first off the Rivera bandwagon. F this guy and he cronies.[/quote]

do you understand this goes on in NFL? people hire who they know and who they're comfortable with.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1277452]do you understand this goes on in NFL? people hire who they know and who they're comfortable with.[/quote]

Since the beginning of time, and not just in the NFL. Everywhere.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1277385][URL="https://thekevinsheehanshow.com/2021/02/13/jay-gruden/"]Jay Gruden 1 hour one on one w/ Sheehan[/URL] is a must listen IMO

Some key insights and confirmations of how dysfunctional this organisation was...[/quote]

Listened to most of it tonight. I thought his take with Dwayne and the Alex situation were interesting. Regarding Dwayne thought he could have been had in 2nd round then could have spent time developing him and wouldn't have required first team reps that first rounds are expected. Sounded a bit out of his control from that. In Regards to Alex not sure why we traded for him when he thinks they could have signed him in offseason and not lost the picks and Fuller. Neither situation is guaranteed with Jay's thought process but I get it.

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That's a good listen for sure, sounds like Kirk was never going to stay regardless..

Also as we knew Dan picked DH

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277447]Mooby, I've been a fan since I moved to N VA in 1982, and played youth football for BYRC - on the fields next to where John Riggins' son played baseball. I've seen those teams you are talking about, "tough from the first minute of the first game to the last minute of the last one," and unfortunately they have been gone for a long time. There can't be too many professional franchises that has made it tougher on their fans, than this one for the last ~30 years.

I agree there's work to be done. There always is, and if the organization isn't constantly working long hard hours trying to improve every aspect of the team, then they are destined to fail. It appears, at least on the surface, that this is exactly what they are doing.

But RR and his "cronies" have their work cut out for them this offseason. Last year, despite all RR went through and the Alex Smith story, was as close to a "gimme" as you can get. If this team hadn't successfully drafted a D-lineman in the first round over the past four years the results would likely have been much different. However, the results were the results, and I am excited about them.

Confidence is one thing. This new front office & coaching staff has to earn my confidence. Benefit of the doubt is another thing though. I refuse to look at every success this team manages to achieve with pessimism. I am inspired, even excited, that they were the team to ultimately win the division, rather than finish 2-4. It's something to build on. There's plenty of talent on this team, young talent, and I believe there's more on the way. Hopefully that starts with a QB that can help this team take another step forward.

There have been many reasons to not root for this team over the years, plenty of reasons to not even become a fan of this team for many years going now. This offseason seems like an odd time to make that decision - as a fan.[/quote]

I'm gonna try and make it short, I agree last year is something to build on. But last year won't mean squat if RR and co. don't make the right moves this offseason. Bring in the wrong qb and there won't be any progress from last year.

Alls I'm saying is I see where jamf is coming from. In every one of those years that I witnessed, 05, 07, 12, 15, and 20, the following year were all failures. The difference between me and jamf is I choose to trust RR because his choices so far have not proven to be failures. But his choices for the staff/FO aren't exactly cream of the crop either. Results: TBD. We'll see what happens. Nothing comes easy in this league. I just think jamf is being a little premature in giving up on this staff, but only time will tell. If he's right we're all wrong. I hope that's not the case but history has repeated itself the last 5 times we went on an end-of-season run.

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That Kneel down from Kirk wasn't even his fault lolol Garcon fucked him over

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1277458]That Kneel down from Kirk wasn't even his fault lolol Garcon fucked him over[/QUOTE]As qb he should have run a play or spiked it. No way it was not his fault. And if Garcon doesn't do the route throw it away. The whole story reeks of dysfunction from Gruden and KC. Also explains why KC can't win in two minute drills. If he gets flustered because he is listening to the players in the huddle instead of running the play called.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1277460]As qb he should have run a play or spiked it. No way it was not his fault. And if Garcon doesn't do the route throw it away. The whole story reeks of dysfunction from Gruden and KC. Also explains why KC can't win in two minute drills. If he gets flustered because he is listening to the players in the huddle instead of running the play called.

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He should have spiked it for sure

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1277421][B]Seems like too many cooks?[/B] I don't know much about him, just the quick scan that he also has been a GM before, and that he was in the Colts FO for most of PManning's run, culminating with leaving the season after Manning retired.

Hard to know how much his ability played in to the Colts success, but 6years with the Jaguars doesn't inspire much confidence.[/quote]


My first reaction too.

How many ex-GM's can you hire before the back biting starts to happen at the first sign of adversity?

Or ... is Ron Rivera channeling Abraham Lincoln and his "team of rivals as his cabinet" approach to building a football team?


Ron better make sure everyone is on the same page, singing from the same sheet of music, (insert more cliches for being unified in the direction of the team) ... or it has the potential to be a clusterfuck.

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[quote=mooby;1277457]I'm gonna try and make it short, I agree last year is something to build on. But last year won't mean squat if RR and co. don't make the right moves this offseason. Bring in the wrong qb and there won't be any progress from last year.

Alls I'm saying is I see where jamf is coming from. In every one of those years that I witnessed, 05, 07, 12, 15, and 20, the following year were all failures. The difference between me and jamf is I choose to trust RR because his choices so far have not proven to be failures. But his choices for the staff/FO aren't exactly cream of the crop either. Results: TBD. We'll see what happens. Nothing comes easy in this league. I just think jamf is being a little premature in giving up on this staff, but only time will tell. If he's right we're all wrong. I hope that's not the case but history has repeated itself the last 5 times we went on an end-of-season run.[/quote]

Well, that's basically what I'm saying as well. They have to make the right moves to continue to have success, starting with the QB position. I don't have a problem with any of the moves so far. Time will tell if they are the right ones, or if history will repeat itself yet again.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277465]Well, that's basically what I'm saying as well. They have to make the right moves to continue to have success, starting with the QB position. I don't have a problem with any of the moves so far. Time will tell if they are the right ones, or if history will repeat itself yet again.[/quote]

BTW I wasn't saying you were shitting on him, my words were directed towards those implying he should quit being a fan just because he doesn't like the moves Ron is making. If that was the case at some point we should all quit being fans because we've all been there at some point.

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I like the way things are going so far, though I'm a little curious about all the FO movement. I'll wait and see how it shakes out and I'm cautiously optimistic.

Kyle Smith's situation is puzzling though, as I'd have thought he'd have been turfed out a while back if he and RR were not on the same page. Only scenario I cans see is that RR didn't think he had the credentials to be a GM and that's kind of validated by his sideways move to Atlanta.

I like we haven't made a crazy move at QB; I'd have been happy with Stafford but not for the stupid price the Rams went with. I'm more and more leaning towards going with Heinicke/Allen battling for starter (assuming Alex Smith retires/is cut), and draft a guys after round 1 that has potential but need development. Allen has the potential to keep us in contention if he has more weapons around him while a rookie shows what he can learn and then do later. Thinking about it, RR seems to trust Allen, so unless we can swing a palatable deal for Watson, I don't see a (valid) trade target or FA now with enough upside to go for.

It's now the dead zone of the offseason where nothing really happens until around mid March, so I'm quite happy if we stay out of the news for the next 3-4 weeks. :)

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277450]I've been preaching that since the season ended. A bunch of things fell their way this season. So what? At least they took advantage and came out on top. It's more than we've seen in a while...

I choose to be excited about the team's successes when they happen, and I choose to be hopeful for the future after the last game of every season. That's just me. I'm not a fan of this team only when they are dominating the rest of the league from the first whistle to the last. If that were the case, I would have been gone long ago.[/quote]

I hear you lets celebrate the good times, very few around here.

I am just speaking to the over-excited that say we are a QB away from a dynasty; we are not.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1277468]I like the way things are going so far, though I'm a little curious about all the FO movement. I'll wait and see how it shakes out and I'm cautiously optimistic.

Kyle Smith's situation is puzzling though, as I'd have thought he'd have been turfed out a while back if he and RR were not on the same page. [B]Only scenario I cans see is that RR didn't think he had the credentials to be a GM and that's kind of validated by his sideways move to Atlanta.[/B]

I like we haven't made a crazy move at QB; I'd have been happy with Stafford but not for the stupid price the Rams went with. I'm more and more leaning towards going with Heinicke/Allen battling for starter (assuming Alex Smith retires/is cut), and draft a guys after round 1 that has potential but need development. Allen has the potential to keep us in contention if he has more weapons around him while a rookie shows what he can learn and then do later. Thinking about it, RR seems to trust Allen, so unless we can swing a palatable deal for Watson, I don't see a (valid) trade target or FA now with enough upside to go for.

It's now the dead zone of the offseason where nothing really happens until around mid March, so I'm quite happy if we stay out of the news for the next 3-4 weeks. :)[/quote]

I doubt that Kyle Smith's exit had much to do with RR at all. I think he was as good as gone from the moment he told Dan Snyder in the crowded draft room that he (Snyder) didn't know jack shit about football when Snyder ordered that DH be drafted in the first round. From then on, he had zero chance of becoming the GM of the WFT, even if RR wanted him.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1277470]I doubt that Kyle Smith's exit had much to do with RR at all. I think he was as good as gone from the moment he told Dan Snyder in the crowded draft room that he (Snyder) didn't know jack shit about football when Snyder ordered that DH be drafted in the first round. From then on, he had zero chance of becoming the GM of the WFT, even if RR wanted him.[/QUOTE]

Possibly but then why not fire him before hiring RR and saying RR had the power now? If Snyder's ego/vindictiveness led to him leaving, I doubt it would take nearly 2 years for it to happen.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1277469]I hear you lets celebrate the good times, very few around here.

I am just speaking to the over-excited that say we are a QB away from a dynasty; we are not.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, we're a QB, WR, MLB, and 2-3 OL away. There are areas we could also do with reinforcing, but fixing those 5 or 6 (without damaging our strengths) would put us in a great position. Maybe we can't address all that in one offseason but nothing say's it's not a possibility.

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[quote=mooby;1277466]BTW I wasn't saying you were shitting on him, my words were directed towards those implying he should quit being a fan just because he doesn't like the moves Ron is making. If that was the case at some point we should all quit being fans because we've all been there at some point.[/quote]

I’m sorry....I’m trying to find a nice way to say this but there really isn’t one. But when you say you’re going to quit being a fan because you don’t like the move of who is the second in command of college scouting....you’re a drama queen. Sorry. That’s just a fact. Fans seem to forget that Ron and everyone he’s hired has forgotten more real football than any of us will ever know. I get the caution and the frustration....I’ve been a fan since 1970...so I get the wait and see attitude....but this whole “I’m out if they sign this guy or let this guy go or draft this guy at 19 instead of the guy I have in my mock draft” stuff is a little hard to take. Hope this doesn’t offend, just trying to explain where the “go somewhere else” posts come from.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1277472]Agreed, we're a QB, WR, MLB, and 2-3 OL away. There are areas we could also do with reinforcing, but fixing those 5 or 6 (without damaging our strengths) would put us in a great position. Maybe we can't address all that in one offseason but nothing say's it's not a possibility.[/quote]

So just out of curiosity...considering how decent the o line came on at the end of the year...why does everyone say we need to replace most of them? I’d take a LT at 19 if we can...have Lucas and Moses battle for RT and keep the other as swing backup. Have Schweitzer and the guy from LSU battle for LG...I mean you always go for depth, but do we REALLY need to replace 3 of the 5 guys urgently?

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1277471]Possibly but then why not fire him before hiring RR and saying RR had the power now? If Snyder's ego/vindictiveness led to him leaving, I doubt it would take nearly 2 years for it to happen.[/quote]

And probably a much messier departure. I don't understand why it seems so hard to accept that both RR and Smith seemed to have moved on. Both seem to have had a good [U]working[/U] relationship, but RR wanted a GM who has been there done that, and Smith went somewhere that maybe he has a chance to move up. Smith's departure had NONE of the nastiness and backbiting that usually accompanied a BA or DS forced departure.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1277472]Agreed, we're a QB, WR, MLB, and 2-3 OL away. There are areas we could also do with reinforcing, but fixing those 5 or 6 (without damaging our strengths) would put us in a great position. Maybe we can't address all that in one offseason but nothing say's it's not a possibility.[/quote]

No team has all the pieces all the time. That is where coaching and adjustments come in. One of the best parts of this year was the 2nd half adjustments in games. Admittedly, one of the worst parts was the 1st 15 minutes on both sides of the ball. Hopefully with a year of playing in the system under the teams belt they will start stronger.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1277471]Possibly but then why not fire him before hiring RR and saying RR had the power now? If Snyder's ego/vindictiveness led to him leaving, I doubt it would take nearly 2 years for it to happen.[/quote]

1. He was kept on because he has [U]extraordinary[/U] ability in identifying NFL talent.

2. As long as he stayed in his office watching film and making spreadsheets he could be tolerated because Snyder wanted the benefit of his extraordinary talent.

3. RR does [U]not[/U] have all the powers he was promised by Snyder. That's right, I said Snyder lied to him to get him on board. It's a standard business practice. Did it ever happen to you? It happened to me.

4. Snyder didn't fire him but his punishment was that he would [U]never[/U] be promoted to GM as long as Snyder owns the team.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1277477]1. He was kept on because he has [U]extraordinary[/U] ability in identifying NFL talent.

2. As long as he stayed in his office watching film and making spreadsheets he could be tolerated because Snyder wanted the benefit of his extraordinary talent.

3. RR does [U]not[/U] have all the powers he was promised by Snyder. That's right, I said Snyder lied to him to get him on board. It's a standard business practice. Did it ever happen to you? It happened to me.

4. Snyder didn't fire him but his punishment was that he would [U]never[/U] be promoted to GM as long as Snyder owns the team.[/quote]

where are you getting this info from

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1277475]And probably a much messier departure. I don't understand why it seems so hard to accept that both RR and Smith seemed to have moved on. Both seem to have had a good [U]working[/U] relationship, but RR wanted a GM who has been there done that, and Smith went somewhere that maybe he has a chance to move up. [B] Smith's departure had NONE of the nastiness and backbiting that usually accompanied a BA or DS forced departure.[/B][/quote]

In my estimation, RR is an excellent people manager. The man is so smooth he doesn't make waves.

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[quote=MTK;1277478]where are you getting this info from[/quote]

Except for number 3, about which RR said in a news conference that it was Snyder's decision to approve executives titles, I made it up.