Re: Pre Draft Thread 2.0
 

[QUOTE=Pervis_Griffith;1281502]Gotcha ... it's always tough to comment on the drafts that are posted, without knowing who else is available. Werner sounds pretty good though. And has versatility, which we know RR puts a premium on.

I agree with you on Mond, and Mills. Not so much with Trask. But I'm just a guy watching football on his couch. So what do I know?

If Mayhew's statements are to be believed, and not part of a disinformation campaign, I think Mills won't be strongly considered .... Mayhew said he preferred more collegiate starts with his QB prospects. Which cuts against Mills, and Trey Lance, and Justin Fields. Mond has tons of experience, more than anyone else in the draft.[/QUOTE]

I agree with Mayhew in that respect. It's such a gamble to take a guy with a small sample size from which to evaluate, especially at the most important position. This year it's particularly tough with COVID and all the opt-outs. But it's all disinformation this time of year. You can't believe what anyone is saying. They are all trying to disguise their intentions for the draft.

Re: Pre Draft Thread 2.0
 

[QUOTE=Pervis_Griffith;1281502]Gotcha ... it's always tough to comment on the drafts that are posted, without knowing who else is available. Werner sounds pretty good though. And has versatility, which we know RR puts a premium on.



I agree with you on Mond, and Mills. Not so much with Trask. But I'm just a guy watching football on his couch. So what do I know?



If Mayhew's statements are to be believed, and not part of a disinformation campaign, I think Mills won't be strongly considered .... Mayhew said he preferred more collegiate starts with his QB prospects. Which cuts against Mills, and Trey Lance, and Justin Fields. Mond has tons of experience, more than anyone else in the draft.[/QUOTE]



That stuff about starts in college might hold true for a while if the guy is getting thrown right into action. But with Fitz that will not be the case. Not right away. Not even close. If Fields or Lance started as many games as Mond they would crush his learned abilities. Mond started a zillion games and never really became great for an extended period. Speaks to either a low ceiling or a problem grasping the job. Either way , with a vet like Fitz here for a at least a year gimme the guy with a higher ceiling and a bigger learning curve every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

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[quote=punch it in;1281505]That stuff about starts in college might hold true for a while if the guy is getting thrown right into action. But with Fitz that will not be the case. Not right away. Not even close. If Fields or Lance started as many games as Mond they would crush his learned abilities. Mond started a zillion games and never really became great for an extended period. Speaks to either a low ceiling or a problem grasping the job. Either way , with a vet like Fitz here for a at least a year gimme the guy with a higher ceiling and a bigger learning curve every day of the week and twice on Sunday.[/quote]

I understand what you are saying. But you could also say that if Fields or Lance started as many games as Mond, they might show the same inconsistencies, or display some other weaknesses. You just don't know.

I just have a hard time giving up what it would take to get Lance or Fields, and then have him sit for a year. That's just me.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1281506]I understand what you are saying. But you could also say that if Fields or Lance started as many games as Mond, they might show the same inconsistencies, or display some other weaknesses. You just don't know.



I just have a hard time giving up what it would take to get Lance or Fields, and then have him sit for a year. That's just me.[/QUOTE]



Well, I would say great consistency from both those guys in a much shorter window. Could they have flamed out next year in college? Sure. But I think they probably would continue to dominate.

And honestly like I said in a prior post , Im just as happy taking a OT and rolling with Fitz. For this year. But than what? Have to make that decision again next year without Captain Stopgap? Hope a starter falls in our laps in free agency? I mean at what point do you “pay” for the guy. To me now is a great time since we got Fitz and it is still a “building “ year. We have the D. We have a good young corp of weapons. We have picks next year minus what we would give up for Fields or Lance now. We have free agency again to plug holes for 2022. The time is now to get the quarterback of the future. If you want to field a contender in 2022 I mean A real contender than get the quarterback now. Ive almost convinced myself of trading up for him while writing this. Lol.

Re: Pre Draft Thread 2.0
 

Yeah, maybe they do trade up, but I think it would be a mistake. There's too many holes to fill, and aging players in key positions - across the O-line.

That's why I'm more of a fan of trading back than trading up. There's like 12 tackles (15+ O-linemen) and 12 linebackers projected to be taken in the first two rounds, who all have the potential to be impact starters at the next level.

That being said, trading up [I]wouldn't[/I] be a mistake if they were able to land a true franchise QB for years to come. It is such a gamble though... If they miss, the team is worse off than it was before - less picks, same holes...

Re: Pre Draft Thread 2.0
 

[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1281508]Yeah, maybe they do trade up, but I think it would be a mistake. There's too many holes to fill, and aging players in key positions - across the O-line.



That's why I'm more of a fan of trading back than trading up. There's like 12 tackles (15+ O-linemen) and 12 linebackers projected to be taken in the first two rounds, who all have the potential to be impact starters at the next level.



That being said, trading up [I]wouldn't[/I] be a mistake if they were able to land a true franchise QB for years to come. It is such a gamble though... If they miss, the team is worse off than it was before - less picks, same holes...[/QUOTE]



The law of averages says eventually a first round quarterback will work out. Lol. For the love of God it has to if we trade up.

Re: Pre Draft Thread 2.0
 

[quote=punch it in;1281507]Well, I would say great consistency from both those guys in a much shorter window. Could they have flamed out next year in college? Sure. But I think they probably would continue to dominate.

And honestly like I said in a prior post , Im just as happy taking a OT and rolling with Fitz. For this year. But than what? Have to make that decision again next year without Captain Stopgap? Hope a starter falls in our laps in free agency? I mean at what point do you “pay” for the guy. To me now is a great time since we got Fitz and it is still a “building “ year. We have the D. We have a good young corp of weapons. We have picks next year minus what we would give up for Fields or Lance now. We have free agency again to plug holes for 2022. The time is now to get the quarterback of the future. If you want to field a contender in 2022 I mean A real contender than get the quarterback now. Ive almost convinced myself of trading up for him while writing this. Lol.[/quote]


All could be true ...

But what if your 3rd round pick becomes your franchise QB?

Russell Wilson started 33 games in college (and split another 6 in a QB rotation at NC State) before becoming a 3rd round pick by Seattle, who had just signed Matt Flynn to a free agency deal. Wilson wasn't supposed to start from the beginning.

Dak Prescott started 46 games in college before being chosen in the 4th round by the Cowaboysh (as Jerry Jones says). He was supposed to back up Tony Romo, but was the third QB before the back up broke his arm. Romo goes down with an injury, and Dak takes over.

Which is why I think a 3rd round pick for Kellen Mond makes sense -- especially because we have two 3rd round picks. If he isn't the next Russell Wilson or Dak Prescott, what have you lost? Not much .... But ...

What if he [B][U]is[/U][/B] the next Wilson or Prescott?

He may not be ... odds are against it ... but the parallels are striking. Especially compared to Prescott, whose accuracy at Miss State was up and down ... Mond's has gotten better each year.

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Wilson[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dak_Prescott[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kellen_Mond[/url]

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1281510]All could be true ...

But what if your 3rd round pick becomes your franchise QB?

Russell Wilson started 33 games in college (and split another 6 in a QB rotation at NC State) before becoming a 3rd round pick by Seattle, who had just signed Matt Flynn to a free agency deal. Wilson wasn't supposed to start from the beginning.

Dak Prescott started 46 games in college before being chosen in the 4th round by the Cowaboysh (as Jerry Jones says). He was supposed to back up Tony Romo, but was the third QB before the back up broke his arm. Romo goes down with an injury, and Dak takes over.

Which is why I think a 3rd round pick for Kellen Mond makes sense -- especially because we have two 3rd round picks. If he isn't the next Russell Wilson or Dak Prescott, what have you lost? Not much .... But ...

What if he [B][U]is[/U][/B] the next Wilson or Prescott?

He may not be ... odds are against it ... but the parallels are striking. Especially compared to Prescott, whose accuracy at Miss State was up and down ... Mond's has gotten better each year.

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Wilson[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dak_Prescott[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kellen_Mond[/url][/quote]

Mond and Dak college stats for their last three years of college (in the same Conference) are very similar.

It's all a crapshoot, but I would rather take a flyer on him, than move up for a guy.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1281511]Mond and Dak college stats for their last three years of college (in the same Conference) are very similar.

It's all a crapshoot, [B]but I would rather take a flyer on him, than move up for a guy[/B].[/quote]


Agreed ... we have so many holes to fill. I'd maybe think differently if all we really had to worry about was replacing our 10 year vet long snapper.

Re: Pre Draft Thread 2.0
 

[QUOTE=Pervis_Griffith;1281510]All could be true ...



But what if your 3rd round pick becomes your franchise QB?



Russell Wilson started 33 games in college (and split another 6 in a QB rotation at NC State) before becoming a 3rd round pick by Seattle, who had just signed Matt Flynn to a free agency deal. Wilson wasn't supposed to start from the beginning.



Dak Prescott started 46 games in college before being chosen in the 4th round by the Cowaboysh (as Jerry Jones says). He was supposed to back up Tony Romo, but was the third QB before the back up broke his arm. Romo goes down with an injury, and Dak takes over.



Which is why I think a 3rd round pick for Kellen Mond makes sense -- especially because we have two 3rd round picks. If he isn't the next Russell Wilson or Dak Prescott, what have you lost? Not much .... But ...



What if he [B][U]is[/U][/B] the next Wilson or Prescott?



He may not be ... odds are against it ... but the parallels are striking. Especially compared to Prescott, whose accuracy at Miss State was up and down ... Mond's has gotten better each year.



[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Wilson[/url]

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dak_Prescott[/url]

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kellen_Mond[/url][/QUOTE]



I am in no way saying he will not be and YES in a perfect world we sit tight and get an immediate impact player at 19, grab a guy like Mond for nothing other than the pick we took him with, and a year from now the dude becomes our guy. Sign me up. We get our quarterback and keep all our picks. Ill do the happy dance when that becomes apparent.

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Also a lot of talk about us having so many holes to fill. I think “so many” is too strong of language. Besides the quarterback in question (which is btw our biggest hole), T, LB, S, second TE. Other than that I see no glaring holes. I mean we could use some other pieces but no team is perfectly set at every position. Always going to be holes.

Re: Pre Draft Thread 2.0
 

You're right, speaking in terms of just 2021, there's not necessarily glaring needs all over. Looking forward though, there is work to be done across the O-line in particular, and with the back seven of the defense.

Re: Pre Draft Thread 2.0
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1281511]Mond and Dak college stats for their last three years of college (in the same Conference) are very similar.

It's all a crapshoot, but I would rather take a flyer on him, than move up for a guy.[/quote]

I tend to agree even though the odds of finding a long term QB outside of first round are not great but if we have better minds drafting it is no worse than what we have done in the past.

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List of players the WFT has either met, or is scheduled to meet with virtually:

Christian Darrisaw, OT

Tommy Tremble, TE
Brevin Jordan, TE

Ihmir Smith-Marsette, WR
Rondale Moore, WR
Mike Strachan, WR
Kadarius Toney, WR
Dax Milne, WR

Asante Samuel Jr., CB
Trill Williams, CB
Greg Newsome, CB

Darius Stills, DT

Re: Pre Draft Thread 2.0
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1281517]List of players the WFT has either met, or is scheduled to meet with virtually:

Christian Darrisaw, OT

Tommy Tremble, TE
Brevin Jordan, TE

Ihmir Smith-Marsette, WR
Rondale Moore, WR
Mike Strachan, WR
Kadarius Toney, WR
Dax Milne, WR

Asante Samuel Jr., CB
Trill Williams, CB
Greg Newsome, CB

Darius Stills, DT[/quote]

Really like the TE selections...right in that 3rd round area. They aren’t done at WR this offseason.

Greg Newsome is an underrated prospect

Re: Pre Draft Thread 2.0
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1281517]List of players the WFT has either met, or is scheduled to meet with virtually:

Christian Darrisaw, OT

Tommy Tremble, TE
Brevin Jordan, TE

Ihmir Smith-Marsette, WR
Rondale Moore, WR
Mike Strachan, WR
Kadarius Toney, WR
Dax Milne, WR

Asante Samuel Jr., CB
Trill Williams, CB
Greg Newsome, CB

Darius Stills, DT[/quote]

Very surprised no LB is on this list

Re: Pre Draft Thread 2.0
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1281520]Very surprised no LB is on this list[/quote]

I'm not. Without taking a look at the numbers, I'm gonna guess out of every draft class we have every year only 1-2 of them actually interview with the team.

I think these are guys Ron is just doing DD on, guys he doesn't expect to be available, guys he expects to play in the NFL, and maybe a couple of them he thinks he might have a shot at drafting.

I'd still put money on us drafting at least one LB. Maybe Ron doesn't want to tip his hand on the one he likes though.

Re: Pre Draft Thread 2.0
 

Yeah, my bet is they will still draft a couple LBs. The interviews don't tell the whole story, but I do think in some cases they would be more valuable this year with the limited contact they can have with prospects.

I'm quite sure they will draft players they don't interview though.

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That is by far not an exhaustive list.... if that is how many guys they have actually talked to given how many opportunities the NFL give them then it would be a huge front office failure..... The sites who publish these lists don't hear about every contact, they generally note when players mention it, as the teams aren't routinely giving out that information other than to blow smoke

Re: Pre Draft Thread 2.0
 

[quote=EdmundDorf;1281529]That is by far not an exhaustive list.... if that is how many guys they have actually talked to given how many opportunities the NFL give them then it would be a huge front office failure..... The sites who publish these lists don't hear about every contact, they generally note when players mention it, as the teams aren't routinely giving out that information other than to blow smoke[/quote]

No, I'm sure it is not. It's just what has been reported, just like all the other news.

Re: Pre Draft Thread 2.0
 

At this time close to the draft, we should take all types of reports with a grain of salt, there are way too many smokescreens and "could happen" turning into "will happen" reports to determine what the team's plans are.

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I like this draft ...

[url]https://riggosrag.com/2021/04/21/washington-football-team-mock-draft-lower-round-trades/[/url]


1 - JOK, LB, Notre Dame
2 - Amon-Ra St. Brown, WR, USC
3 - [I]trade back .... move down, pick up 2 fourth round picks[/I] ..
- Andre Cisco, S, Syracuse
- Walker "Isn't" Little, LT, Stanford
4 - Hunter Long, TE, Boston College
- Dylan Moses, LB, Alabama
- Rhamondre Stevenson, RB, Oklahoma
5 - Sadarius Hutcherson, OG, South Carolina
6 - [I]trade up ... both 7th rounders to get in 6th[/I]
- Justin Hilliard, LB, Ohio State


3 solid Linebackers
1 huge Tackle
1 very good WR
1 highly touted TE
1 safety with high ceiling

Feels like a reach at RB, with a bunch who should be available. But maybe he'll be excellent.

Low risk versatile OLineman.

This would be a pretty good draft.

Re: Pre Draft Thread 2.0
 

My gut tells me we will stay put at 19 and draft a LB but I know they really love Lance, if he falls past 7 or 8 I could see a legit offer made.

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I think we'd take this :laughing-

Traded back twice in the 2nd to pick up two extra 3rds.


Round 1 Pick 19: Kyle Pitts, TE, Florida (A+)
Round 2 Pick 25 (LAR): Jamin Davis, ILB/OLB, Kentucky (A)
Round 3 Pick 10: Jamar Johnson, FS/SS, Indiana (A+)
Round 3 Pick 18: Amon-Ra St. Brown, WR, USC (A+)
Round 3 Pick 24 (LAR): Shaun Wade, CB, Ohio State (A+)
Round 3 Pick 36 (TENN): Alaric Jackson, OT, Iowa (A+)
Round 4 Pick 19: Chuba Hubbard, RB, Oklahoma State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 19: Sadarius Hutcherson, OG, South Carolina (A+)
Round 7 Pick 17: Shane Buechele, QB, SMU (A+)
Round 7 Pick 19: William Bradley-King, DE/OLB, Baylor (A+)

Re: Pre Draft Thread 2.0
 

Pitts at 19 now that's funny

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Lolzers.

I almost had to take him..........

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[quote=simbosargos75;1281746]I think we'd take this :laughing-

Traded back twice in the 2nd to pick up two extra 3rds.


Round 1 Pick 19: Kyle Pitts, TE, Florida (A+)
Round 2 Pick 25 (LAR): Jamin Davis, ILB/OLB, Kentucky (A)
Round 3 Pick 10: Jamar Johnson, FS/SS, Indiana (A+)
Round 3 Pick 18: Amon-Ra St. Brown, WR, USC (A+)
Round 3 Pick 24 (LAR): Shaun Wade, CB, Ohio State (A+)
Round 3 Pick 36 (TENN): Alaric Jackson, OT, Iowa (A+)
Round 4 Pick 19: Chuba Hubbard, RB, Oklahoma State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 19: Sadarius Hutcherson, OG, South Carolina (A+)
Round 7 Pick 17: Shane Buechele, QB, SMU (A+)
Round 7 Pick 19: William Bradley-King, DE/OLB, Baylor (A+)[/quote]

Pretty disappointed in you. Didn't get an A+ in the 2nd round. You're better than that.

Re: Pre Draft Thread 2.0
 

OSU QB Justin Fields has confirmed to NFL teams during the pre-draft process that he is managing epilepsy – a neurological disorder that can cause seizures, per me and
@TomPelissero
. It has not affected football & doctors believe he’ll outgrow it as his other family members have.

Re: Pre Draft Thread 2.0
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1281750]OSU QB Justin Fields has confirmed to NFL teams during the pre-draft process that he is managing epilepsy – a neurological disorder that can cause seizures, per me and
@TomPelissero
. It has not affected football & doctors believe he’ll outgrow it as his other family members have.[/quote]

Who ever drafts him better keep the flashing lights off the Jumbo Tron.

Re: Pre Draft Thread 2.0
 

[quote=mredskins;1281751]Who ever drafts him better keep the flashing lights off the Jumbo Tron.[/quote]

:laughing2

Re: Pre Draft Thread 2.0
 

[quote=simbosargos75;1281746]I think we'd take this :laughing-

Traded back twice in the 2nd to pick up two extra 3rds.


Round 1 Pick 19: Kyle Pitts, TE, Florida (A+)
Round 2 Pick 25 (LAR): Jamin Davis, ILB/OLB, Kentucky (A)
Round 3 Pick 10: Jamar Johnson, FS/SS, Indiana (A+)
Round 3 Pick 18: Amon-Ra St. Brown, WR, USC (A+)
Round 3 Pick 24 (LAR): Shaun Wade, CB, Ohio State (A+)
Round 3 Pick 36 (TENN): Alaric Jackson, OT, Iowa (A+)
Round 4 Pick 19: Chuba Hubbard, RB, Oklahoma State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 19: Sadarius Hutcherson, OG, South Carolina (A+)
Round 7 Pick 17: Shane Buechele, QB, SMU (A+)
Round 7 Pick 19: William Bradley-King, DE/OLB, Baylor (A+)[/quote]

Hmmm.....getting a QB named Shane....he just needs to live on a boat and wait for another strike.....championship!!

Re: Pre Draft Thread 2.0
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1281750]OSU QB Justin Fields has confirmed to NFL teams during the pre-draft process that he is managing epilepsy – a neurological disorder that can cause seizures, per me and
@TomPelissero
. It has not affected football & doctors believe he’ll outgrow it as his other family members have.[/quote]

Good to know for 31 other NFL teams.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1281757]Hmmm.....getting a QB named Shane....he just needs to live on a boat and wait for another strike.....championship!![/quote]

Hasn't got a brother named Bobby has he? Plays LB? :)

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19: R1 P19 CB Jaycee Horn - South Carolina
51: R2 P19 S Richie Grant - UCF
74: R3 P10 OT Walker Little - Stanford
82: R3 P18 LB Nick Bolton - Missouri
124: R4 P19 LB Cameron McGrone - Michigan
163: R5 P19 TE Kenny Yeboah - Mississippi
244: R7 P16 WR Ihmir Smith-Marsette - Iowa
246: R7 P18 G Will Fries - Penn State

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1281771]19: R1 P19 CB Jaycee Horn - South Carolina
51: R2 P19 S Richie Grant - UCF
74: R3 P10 OT Walker Little - Stanford
82: R3 P18 LB Nick Bolton - Missouri
124: R4 P19 LB Cameron McGrone - Michigan
163: R5 P19 TE Kenny Yeboah - Mississippi
244: R7 P16 WR Ihmir Smith-Marsette - Iowa
246: R7 P18 G Will Fries - Penn State[/quote]

I think we have much greater needs than CB, but if that's a straight BPA pick, OK then.

Re: Pre Draft Thread 2.0
 

Did 2 sims.

I love the first one but then I realized I picked a THIRD safety in the last round, so I re-did it.

The TE from Michigan is actually a FB..he'd actually be a Chris Cooley type player for us.

I left QB go to late in the draft and only Texas QB Sam Ehlinger was left, and I passed. He could be an UDFA candidate. QB is not an immediate need.



[img]https://i.imgur.com/ACZ8BJo.png[/img]



RE-DO:

[img]https://i.imgur.com/JagpEdh.png[/img]

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Addicting.

Making sure we fix the LB positions. Also drafted a WR from the RED WOLVES.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/YAD7YXA.png[/img]





And this might be my most interesting draft yet and I finally took a QB, along with his college LT who is 6'9", 315 pounds with the best lineman name ever....Stone Forsythe!

[img]https://i.imgur.com/zVDaMLe.png[/img]

Re: Pre Draft Thread 2.0
 

I have no problem with this draft list. Seems pretty good. But if this is how they go, they better get busy in the remaining FA market to find some linebackers.

Re: Pre Draft Thread 2.0
 

Well, I should clarify my post. If they go with the Darrisaw first approach, they should get busy in the UFA linebacker market.

Re: Pre Draft Thread 2.0
 

[quote=Monkeydad;1281832]Addicting.

And this might be my most interesting draft yet and I finally took a QB, along with his college LT who is 6'9", 315 pounds with the best lineman name ever....Stone Forsythe!

[img]https://i.imgur.com/zVDaMLe.png[/img][/quote]


Love your fourth attempt! No Kentucky Wildcats!! And a surprise Javian Hawkins from Louisville pick (who I honestly think would be a great fit in the O). And Zaven Collins in pick one!


But in all seriousness ... solid efforts all around. Your first re-do is prolly the best.

We have lots of paths we could take. It'll be a fun draft to follow.