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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1288093]Man. Ron gives so many good, in depth, answers in this interview. He seems so comfortable in this position, you [B]have[/B] to feel confidence in what the team is doing!

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Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Hate to quote myself but one of the things that RR said in the interview is that this week's prep is going to model a regular season game, including game planning and follow through. I hope that means we will get to see a couple of series of our offense against Baltimore's first or second defense. Can't imagine any better way to work out the kinks then going against Baltimore's seconds. They are probably equal to some team's 1sts. (Baltimore's 3rds may be equal to Dallas' firsts[emoji1787][emoji1787])

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Looking at the first half of Chiefs @ Cardinals, 1st round pick ILB Zaven Collins looks very hesitant, not very decisive in his cuts and not looking very confident as a tackler, while second year Isaiah Simmons is flashing all over the field.
LB and even more MLB is a complicated position in the NFL, be ready to give time to Jamin Davis before he looks like a successfully spent 1st round pick.

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I know preseason is not necessarily an indicator of what to expect in the regular season, but the WFT starting offense has only put up 3 points in 6 possessions so far. Given how they started games all last year, that doesn't look good to me so far.

I hope the starters get at least a quarter + this weekend. I need to see them put it in the end zone.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1288179]I know preseason is not necessarily an indicator of what to expect in the regular season, but the WFT starting offense has only put up 3 points in 6 possessions so far. Given how they started games all last year, that doesn't look good to me so far.

I hope the starters get at least a quarter + this weekend. I need to see them put it in the end zone.[/QUOTE]It is so hard to know. The 1st team offense has shown some serious flashes (back shoulder throws to Brown and Thomas, and a perfect pass to McLaurin) so you hope those things will be staples of the offense. But I agree that ultimately they have to get in the end zone. This week against Baltimore that may be a tough order though.

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Dyami Brown and Kam Curl aren’t feeling well. Should be back out practicing tomorrow

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Holcomb with an INT off Fitz in 2 minute drills. Jumped an underneath route but not a crisp session for the offense

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Aug 23
Good news: Sammis Reyes and Temarick Hemingway back at practice

Bad news: Dyami Brown not practicing

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[quote=SunnySide;1288196]JP Finlay
@JPFinlayNBCS
Dyami Brown and Kam Curl aren’t feeling well. Should be back out practicing tomorrow

JP Finlay
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23h
Holcomb with an INT off Fitz in 2 minute drills. Jumped an underneath route but not a crisp session for the offense

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Aug 23
Good news: Sammis Reyes and Temarick Hemingway back at practice

Bad news: Dyami Brown not practicing[/quote]

Fits has had some Picks in practice but I love that he is a gunslinger. He had 96 yards the other night in a QTR LOL

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1288198]Fits has had some Picks in practice but I love that he is a gunslinger. He had 96 yards the other night in a QTR LOL[/quote]

I think the book on Fitz is pretty agreed upon .. can he limit his YOLO moments to calculated risks. Will he take the gimmie 5 yard route on 1st and 10 or hold off hoping a longer play will develop.

If we get into 3rd and long/predictable bc we went 2nd and 10 when it could have been 2nd down and 5 .. that pattern may be an issue.

If we get in trouble will he go YOLO and just flick a ball out to a guy he only sees a flash of while hes scrambling? in PS game 2, he was in trouble and tried to get teh ball to a guy in the middle who was just standing flat footed and Fitz basically threw it to a defender who dropped it.

We dont need him trying to make every play a positive play. If its not there and its not 3rd down .. dont force it to a guy you only saw a flash of when youre on the run. Kill the play and move one. Worst case scenario is we hand it off to our pro bowl punter and our top5 D.

That forced throw was the exact thing we dont want to see but hes a vet and its just in his DNA.

If fitz consistently passes on the guaranteed short yards looking for longer developing routes that may or may not be won, I dont think he fits Turners playbook.

if Fitz forces balls in our own end, he doesnt compliment our punter and D.

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Sunny, your points are valid although preseason and training camp also are the times where players try to do some experiments to see what works and what don't. At this point, I'm holding off my judgment on Fitzpatrick until 3-4 weeks into the season.

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Ehhh…I think it’s important for new QB to show some gelling in camp.

Fitz missed a couple TD throws last name and nearly threw a red zone int to Humpy as well.

We still got time to get in together no doubt and we know media grift.

Hey…where in the fuck is Samuels? Is he still injured or covid restricted? He’s needs to get on the field now

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[quote=GridIron26;1288207]Sunny, your points are valid although preseason and training camp also are the times where players try to do some experiments to see what works and what don't. At this point, I'm holding off my judgment on Fitzpatrick until 3-4 weeks into the season.[/quote]

im trying to reserve my judgment but the fanatic in me is giddy. We are still in the honeymoon phase dreaming of all the good things Fitz brings, ignoring the fact hes thrown 33 ints in his last 27 starts.

Im like 60% on board the Fitz-magic train as our offense was pedestrian last year. Ill love the down field 50-50 balls to Terry ... I just hope his YOLO button is situationally aware.

Make the team have to go 80 yards on our defense to score.

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[quote=Chico23231;1288214]Ehhh…I think it’s important for new QB to show some gelling in camp.

Fitz missed a couple TD throws last name and nearly threw a red zone int to Humpy as well.

We still got time to get in together no doubt and we know media grift.

Hey…where in the fuck is Samuels? Is he still injured or covid restricted? He’s needs to get on the field now[/quote]

Samuels is off of the COVID list and off of the PUP list. They are working him in slowly as he already knows the system and they don't want to rush him back and risk re-injuring himself. Probably won't see him til wk1

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1288215]im trying to reserve my judgment but the fanatic in me is giddy. We are still in the honeymoon phase dreaming of all the good things Fitz brings, ignoring the fact hes thrown 33 ints in his last 27 starts.

Im like 60% on board the Fitz-magic train as our offense was pedestrian last year. Ill love the down field 50-50 balls to Terry ... I just hope his YOLO button is situationally aware.

Make the team have to go 80 yards on our defense to score.[/QUOTE]I hope Fitz and Turner get on the same page and Turner gets an idea of which type of plays bring out Fitztragic. That is the good of playing the 1st string offense in preseason. It gives everybody the same frame of reference.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1288216]Samuels is off of the COVID list and off of the PUP list. They are working him in slowly as he already knows the system and they don't want to rush him back and risk re-injuring himself. Probably won't see him til wk1[/quote]

Word

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Samuels is all in for week 1

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[quote=Chico23231;1288214]Ehhh…I think it’s important for new QB to show some gelling in camp.

Fitz missed a couple TD throws last name and [B]nearly threw a red zone int to Humpy as well[/B].

We still got time to get in together no doubt and we know media grift.

Hey…where in the fuck is Samuels? Is he still injured or covid restricted? He’s needs to get on the field now[/quote]

That puzzled me more than anything to be honest. With all the talk about how familiar they are with each other and all the work they have gotten together so far in this offense, for them to be on a completely different page, not once but twice, on seemingly the same route is perplexing. Should have resulted in two interceptions.

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Rewatching the first half, one thing I hadn't noticed is how well Saahdiq Charles played at RT, maybe he can be a very good back up swing tackle.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1288237]Gives them the chance to go with 9 OL, and get 4 RB as a result. I would hope Charles and Cosmi are the long term future at OT for WFT[/quote]

Cosmi seems to be way more NFL ready from day 1 than Charles, but the later looks like he's making some strides, so one can hope !

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1288236]Rewatching the first half, one thing I hadn't noticed is how well Saahdiq Charles played at RT, maybe he can be a very good back up swing tackle.[/quote]

Charles becoming a Morgan Moses would be great. Cosmi and Charles both have shorter arms so they dont fit the ideal LT mold but I dont think short arms are an absolute stop sign to playing LT at a high level.

weve invested in the OL through draft. be great if some of these guys start panning out. Cosmi should be a lock as a starter. be great if one of Charles/ismael/martin turned into a tenured starter.

2021 2R Cosmi
2020 4R Charles
5R Ismael
2019 4R Martin
5R Pierschbacher
2018 3R Christian

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Injuries are cropping up around the league. I don't want any one that is a starter or still in the running to be a starter to play Saturday.

Get thru this week healthy, and c'mon week 1.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1288291]Injuries are cropping up around the league. I don't want any one that is a starter or still in the running to be a starter to play Saturday.

Get thru this week healthy, and c'mon week 1.[/quote]

I would be completely fine if none of the defensive starters play. Come to think of it, I'd be fine if some key offensive starters would sit too (Terry, AG, Fitzy, Logan).

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I wouldn't mind the offense getting a couple series against Baltimore, along with other key guys who need reps - like J Davis for example. I don't think you can be afraid of injuries, as much as you can be concerned about being unprepared for the opener.

It's true, someone could get hurt, but someone could get hurt week 1 too...that's the game.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1288297]I wouldn't mind the offense getting a couple series against Baltimore, along with other key guys who need reps - like J Davis for example. I don't think you can be afraid of injuries, as much as you can be concerned about being unprepared for the opener.

It's true, someone could get hurt, but someone could get hurt week 1 too...that's the game.[/QUOTE]This. I am also interested to see if there is a noticeable difference thru the first 4 weeks in teams that played starters during preseason and those that don't.

And there is no better contrast for that then us vs the Chargers week 1. I can't believe that a new head coach with a new OC and a rebuilt Oline didn't feel the need to put their first team offense out for any reps. I don't believe they are this week either.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1288297]I wouldn't mind the offense getting a couple series against Baltimore, along with other key guys who need reps - like J Davis for example. I don't think you can be afraid of injuries, as much as you can be concerned about being unprepared for the opener.

It's true, someone could get hurt, but someone could get hurt week 1 too...that's the game.[/quote]

Agreed.
There's some sort of balance to be found, but it's a team sport, you need to take reps to build chemistry. And you can get injured in practice too.

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Well from one perspective, Bill Belichick, Andy Reid and Ron Rivera are/have been playing their starters. A pretty huge amount of experience there, though admittedly they could all be described as old school. All have changes to their offense that require reps.
As CRed said it will be interesting the see the difference, a potentially 2-3 game head start on what is only a 17 game season. Also with the injury rate. How many of the guys who are held out of pre-season are going to go down when they are suddenly faced with the pace and power of a real game without any build up.

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The Chargers new head coach has said that their practices are harder than preseason games and that is why they held Herbert out. That is either a bold statement or a dumbass philosophy. Playing SF defense, even in preseason, would have been an excellent opportunity to let their firsts take a few snaps in preparation for our defense.

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[URL="https://theathletic.com/2787175/2021/08/26/nfl-preseason-playing-time-trends-have-been-turned-on-their-head/"]NFL preseason playing-time trends have been turned on their head[/URL]

NFL coaches are nothing if not predictable.

We’re talking about a peer group that chooses to punt on more than 90 percent of fourth downs in their own territory despite analytics that label the tendency as short-sighted.

This is also a group that seems incapable of coming up with more inventive cliches, as if we don’t realize that “I’ve gotta coach better” really means “my team stinks.”

This is why things can get quite interesting when coaches are thrown a curveball.
That brings us to this season’s change to three preseason games from the previous four, a move that has forced coaches to rethink the consensus approach to playing time in preseason games.

How have coaches reacted to this recalibration? By being … completely unpredictable!

Who would have guessed?

If you’re looking for something of a universal approach to preseason playing time, you’re not going to find it.

On one hand, you have Seattle’s Russell Wilson sitting out a second consecutive preseason game on Saturday. On the other hand, there’s Patrick Mahomes playing into the second quarter (32 snaps, three series) a night earlier.

And that’s not the only contrast to be found.

Take Thursday’s Patriots-Eagles matchup. New England played the overwhelming majority of its starting lineup as Philadelphia sat 10 healthy starters. The Eagles, led by first-year coach Nick Sirianni, deployed exactly one starting offensive lineman.

Also of note was the Vikings’ decision in Week 1 of the preseason to sit more than a third of their active roster; they had 33 inactive players for the matchup with the Broncos.

Minnesota head coach Mike Zimmer’s decision seemed to reap him much less than he bargained for from his backups. The Vikings gave up a safety, an 80-yard touchdown pass and an interception that was returned for a touchdown.

“I told them it was a very poor performance,” Zimmer said in a halftime television interview. “… We made the wrong checks on defense with the safeties. We throw an interception for a touchdown, we went three-and-out on the first two series. Terrible punts. Other than that, it’s been great.”

Minnesota’s inactive list was topped a week later by that of the Rams, with head coach Sean McVay opting to hold out 36 players in Saturday’s matchup against the Raiders.

In recent years, NFL teams have followed a relatively predictable approach to the preseason. They have tended to gradually ramp up playing time for starters and key players in the first two weeks of the preseason before embarking on the so-called dress-rehearsal game in Week 3 and the nobody-who-matters-plays affair in Week 4.

The elimination of that final exhibition game has left coaches with some dilemmas.

Chief among them: How to get bottom-of-the-roster players enough snaps to showcase themselves in their efforts to make a roster — that of their current team or any other — while also preparing key players and resolving critical position battles.

This has proved an interesting balancing act.

“I want to make sure that all 90 guys who are healthy have a chance to put it on tape,” Panthers head coach Matt Rhule said.

With incremental roster cuts coming after each of the three preseason games this year, that evaluation also must occur earlier.

“You want to make sure that you’re not letting guys go that you think can help you,” Chiefs head coach Andy Reid told Kansas City reporters.

There are also numerous young players who entered the league last season and played sparingly or not at all in 2020, when the COVID-19 pandemic led to the cancellation of the preseason. Many of those young players are taking the field for the first time this preseason and need as much playing time as possible.

“We have some guys who didn’t play at all last year,” Zimmer said, “so they missed a whole year.”

All of this has at least some impact on the playing-time decisions for key players.
But it’s also true that things have been trending this way for a while. It long ago became acceptable to keep your most important players sidelined for most of the preseason.

Nearly half of the NFL’s starting quarterbacks have yet to play a single snap this preseason. One of them, the Chargers’ Justin Herbert, won’t play at all, according to head coach Brandon Staley.

“As I mentioned, what’s really important to me and to us, as an organization, is (what happens) on these practice fields,” Staley told reporters.

Only two of the top 10 players in receiving yards last season have played so far this preseason. Both of those players, Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill, play for the Chiefs and the famously old-school Reid.

Things were quite different just a decade ago. In 2011, even Tom Brady, then with the Patriots, played in Week 4 of the preseason. He attempted nine passes in that long-forgotten loss to the Giants.

By 2019, the last season with four preseason contests, the mere suggestion of a quarterback of Brady’s stature playing in the preseason finale would have been considered preposterous. Brady played six snaps in this year’s preseason opener before sitting out Week 2. Meanwhile, the Packers’ Aaron Rodgers has played in one preseason game since 2018 and does not seem likely to play this year.
And then there is the McVay method. The Rams coach has very, um, strong opinions on the preseason.

“There is zero chance you will ever see Matthew Stafford take a snap in the preseason for the Rams as long as I’m the coach. That will never happen,” McVay said of his new starting quarterback on “The Doug Gottlieb Show.” “He is not going to play. That’s why it’s important for us to try to get competitive opps against some of these other teams in practice settings.

“Until you tell me that if a guy gets hurt in the preseason that we’ll get those games back or they’ll add them on the schedule afterwards as, ‘Oh yeah, you get two games because you lost those guys in the preseason,’ it’s hard for me to make sense of it.”

Not having a preseason in 2020 likely emboldened coaches to go further down this road.

It’s difficult to argue that the quality of play was affected by the lack of the preseason. Any such argument — at least on offense — quickly falls apart when you consider the NFL set records for touchdowns and points scored last season.
As for the upcoming final week of the preseason, a fair number of teams appear to be approaching it like a traditional Game 3, meaning lots of starters will play.
Or … not.

Colts head coach Frank Reich said Wednesday that he will not play a majority of his starters this week, as previously planned, because Detroit head coach Dan Campbell disclosed to him that the Lions won’t play theirs.

“We kind of re-evaluated,” Reich said. “Most of our starters aren’t going to play.”
As for the remaining teams’ starters, how many will play? And for how long?
You’ll have to wait and see. For once, we have a bit of mystery among NFL coaches.

Maybe they aren’t so predictable after all.

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^ interesting to see the evolution of what the preseason means to coaches. I didn't realize so many starting QB's haven't played a snap yet. It's new school vs old school.

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[quote=MTK;1288308]^ interesting to see the evolution of what the preseason means to coaches. I didn't realize so many starting QB's haven't played a snap yet. It's new school vs old school.[/quote]

It’s certainly a balance with multi layers to consider: new joiners on the team, new coaches joining the team, injury history of players, depth at certain positions, etc

This last week in preseason, there is no one in hell I’m playing starters. You got guys fighting to make the team and others who maybe half assing playing thinking about the after hours party later. That is a recipe for injury.

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[quote=Chico23231;1288310]It’s certainly a balance with multi layers to consider: new joiners on the team, new coaches joining the team, injury history of players, depth at certain positions, etc

This last week in preseason, there is no one in hell I’m playing starters. You got guys fighting to make the team and others who maybe half assing playing thinking about the after hours party later. That is a recipe for injury.[/quote]

This isn't a sport where you can afford to go out on the field and half-ass it. At this point in their careers, that would just be foolish. If that is the choice a player makes, then he probably doesn't deserve to wear the uniform.

I don't see that happening on this team in particular.

Call it old school, new school - whatever. This [I]is[/I] new. Three preseason games a two week break, and then a 17 game season. Everyone is just trying to figure out what works best for their team.

I think the two week break is actually going to be the deciding factor as to whether or not "starters" for the WFT play this weekend. I think there will probably be plenty playing at least briefly, and I'm ok with that.

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Apparently no Fitz or Heinicke tonight

I guess it will be interesting to see Allen against the Baltimore defense.

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No starters at all it seems, which is a bit of a bummer as this is the first game to start at a reasonable time of day for us europeans..... but at least we can reasonably sure that none of our starters will get injured tonight

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Looks like the Ravens are using their starters, could get ugly

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1288406]Apparently no Fitz or Heinicke tonight

I guess it will be interesting to see Allen against the Baltimore defense.

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Whoever doesn't play will be an indication of who has already locked up a roster spot. Interested in seeing if Patterson gets any plays - if he doesn't he has that #2 spot locked up.

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And there goes a great reason not to play starters in the PS....

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Fantasy question Not watching the game it said Dobbins (Ravens #1 RB got hurt - was it routine or not?).

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[QUOTE=nonniey;1288411]Fantasy question Not watching the game it said Dobbins (Ravens #1 RB got hurt - was it routine or not?).[/QUOTE]Looked like a bad hit on his knee. No report yet

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[quote=nonniey;1288411]Fantasy question Not watching the game it said Dobbins (Ravens #1 RB got hurt - was it routine or not?).[/quote]

Knee got bent wrong way when moreland hit his knee cap on a tackle, foot stuck in turf, did not look good though far from the worst you will have seen

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Jackson sacked twice on first drive by our second team defence against their first team OL, now their backup is in lol