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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1312448]Keep telling yourself that.[/quote]

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Keep hearing folks say the shocking part from the Colts' end is Frank Reich signing off on the trade one year after pushing for Wentz when it seems apparent Reich was open to running it back. The owner and others were done with the QB

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[quote=MTK;1312447]You're always going to pay a premium in a trade for a QB. Always.

If he hits the street as a free agent your chance of getting him goes down significantly.

Desperate move? Of course it's fucking desperate, are we forgetting what a joke we've been at QB since Kirk left? Couple that with a weak QB class and yeah, of course Ron was desperate to upgrade at QB.

Wentz has a lot to prove this year, if he blows it his starting days are probably done.[/quote]

The more I think about it the better I feel about it. He is an improvement, we don't have to worry about trading draft capital to trade up to get our guy this year in what is considered a weak class. If he pans out great we have a solid middle of the road QB for middle of the road price. If he doesn't we probably have a solid draft pick in a deeper QB class in 2023.

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The available vet QB situation is getting grim. Jimmy G Winston and maybe Mariota. And the Bucs Saints Steelers all need a QB. If we kept waiting we were going to be out in the cold.

My belief is the front office did their homework and when Wilson decided not to come they pulled the trigger on their next choice.

Good Carson is a top tier QB. Bad Carson is Taylor Heineke with a better arm

Got texts from all my non skin friends yesterday that all had some version of congratulations with a ? Kind of sums it up for me

Now go get Wagner or draft the Utah or Georgia ILB and let’s roll

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1312449]You seem to be really high on this guy. We all knew Wentz was going to be released but no one on here mentioned picking him up.[/QUOTE]


Im more high than low on him for a few reasons.

1. He’s better than Heineke and we almost made the playoffs last year.

2. We were not getting Wilson or Watson, he’s the next best option.

3. He knows the NFCE very well and has a winning record in the division.


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Saying Wentz is an improvement over TH is like saying Rex Grossman is an improvement over John Beck.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1312445]I would say it was a double because the 1st basemen let the ball go through his legs. lol.[/quote]

Bill Buckner is not laughing.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1312454]Saying Wentz is an improvement over TH is like saying Rex Grossman is an improvement over John Beck.[/quote]

This!! I don’t think many here watched his last 3 games collapse, he made Heinecken look like Joe Montana. Another issue with Wentz is, he’s always hurt.

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Again, I'm not cheering the move at all, but I don't get everyone that is insisting on hating it. So what are the options?

- Do you trade a 2nd or potential 1st for Jimmy G and give him 30 mil a year with a lot of guaranteed money to do more or less the same that Wentz?

- Do you give Winston/Mariota/Trubisky 10-20 mil a year with at least 2-years of guaranteed money? And don't come with your stupid cheap fan contracts, because we all know QBs are overpaid, especially this year with a weak QB class and a lot of QB demand.

- Do you offer the farm for Watson without knowing what will happen?

- Do you trade up for Malik Willis, knowing that you'll need to move from #11 to #4 to guarantee him?

I didn't have a good initial reaction, but some of you are acting like we just brought back John Beck or something.

I just want someone to sell me on any of those scenarios as something significantly better than Wentz. Okay, maybe Watson, but don't tell me you are jumping for joy at Winston/Mariota/Trubisky/Jimmy G.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312458]Again, I'm not cheering the move at all, but I don't get everyone that is insisting on hating it. So what are the options?

- Do you trade a 2nd or potential 1st for Jimmy G and give him 30 mil a year with a lot of guaranteed money to do more or less the same that Wentz?

- Do you give Winston/Mariota/Trubisky 10-20 mil a year with at least 2-years of guaranteed money? And don't come with your stupid cheap fan contracts, because we all know QBs are overpaid, especially this year with a weak QB class and a lot of QB demand.

- Do you offer the farm for Watson without knowing what will happen?

- Do you trade up for Malik Willis, knowing that you'll need to move from #11 to #4 to guarantee him?

I didn't have a good initial reaction, but some of you are acting like we just brought back John Beck or something.

I just want someone to sell me on any of those scenarios as something significantly better than Wentz. Okay, maybe Watson, but don't tell me you are jumping for joy at Winston/Mariota/Trubisky/Jimmy G.[/quote]

I would have waited until Friday to see what happens with Watson. In all honesty we are still in the Watson race. you could package Wentz with draft picks and CY to get him.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1312456]This!! I don’t think many here watched his last 3 games collapse, he made Heinecken look like Joe Montana. [B]Another issue with Wentz is, he’s always hurt.[/quote][/B]

Not true. Since 2018 Wentz has played in 56 of 65 games. I wouldn't call that injury prone.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1312449]You seem to be really high on this guy. We all knew Wentz was going to be released but no one on here mentioned picking him up.[/quote]

I'll admit - he wasn't really on my radar. I was focusing my guess as to who might be the next Commander's QB on guys that they have shown interest in at some point or another. I don't remember Wentz being brought up when people talked about Washington's QB search, this year or last year. I could be wrong, but it doesn't ring a bell.

That said, I'm more than happy to see what he can do in this offense. It's definitely a step up. You can argue how much of an upgrade he is, and we will find out soon enough, but he is most definitely an upgrade. We were going to have to pay [I]somebody[/I] if we wanted to upgrade the position, and we didn't give up much for him. All good IMO.

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Reality is of all the remaining available guys we were looking at, they all have issues. Trubisky, Jimmy G, Winston, Mariota, sorry but you can't make the case any of these guys are better than Wentz. They're just not. We got the best of what was left on the heap after the big dogs were ruled out.

Wentz has shown he can play at a very high level, and at times makes truly elite plays. He's also shown he tries to do too much sometimes and gets careless. Obviously the hope is to limit the boneheaded stuff and get more of the good Carson.

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[quote=irish;1312461][/B]

Not true. Since 2018 Wentz has played in 56 of 65 games. I wouldn't call that injury prone.[/quote]

Yeah his only significate injury was the SB season.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1312463]I'll admit - he wasn't really on my radar. I was focusing my guess as to who might be the next Commander's QB on guys that they have shown interest in at some point or another. I don't remember Wentz being brought up when people talked about Washington's QB search, this year or last year. I could be wrong, but it doesn't ring a bell.

That said, I'm more than happy to see what he can do in this offense. It's definitely a step up. You can argue how much of an upgrade he is, and we will find out soon enough, but he is most definitely an upgrade. We were going to have to pay [I]somebody[/I] if we wanted to upgrade the position, and we didn't give up much for him. All good IMO.[/quote]

I said a few weeks ago the Wentz situation was interesting and one to keep an eye on. I didn't think he was going to be a target though. Like many I was locked in on the idea of Wilson.

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[quote=MTK;1312464]Reality is of all the remaining available guys we were looking at, they all have issues. Trubisky, Jimmy G, Winston, Mariota, sorry but you can't make the case any of these guys are better than Wentz. They're just not. We got the best of what was left on the heap after the big dogs were ruled out.

Wentz has shown he can play at a very high level, and at times makes truly elite plays. He's also shown he tries to do too much sometimes and gets careless. Obviously the hope is to limit the boneheaded stuff and get more of the good Carson.[/quote]

I still hope we draft a QB at 11

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312458]Again, I'm not cheering the move at all, but I don't get everyone that is insisting on hating it. So what are the options?

- Do you trade a 2nd or potential 1st for Jimmy G and give him 30 mil a year with a lot of guaranteed money to do more or less the same that Wentz?

- Do you give Winston/Mariota/Trubisky 10-20 mil a year with at least 2-years of guaranteed money? And don't come with your stupid cheap fan contracts, because we all know QBs are overpaid, especially this year with a weak QB class and a lot of QB demand.

- Do you offer the farm for Watson without knowing what will happen?

- Do you trade up for Malik Willis, knowing that you'll need to move from #11 to #4 to guarantee him?

I didn't have a good initial reaction, but some of you are acting like we just brought back John Beck or something.

I just want someone to sell me on any of those scenarios as something significantly better than Wentz. Okay, maybe Watson, but don't tell me you are jumping for joy at Winston/Mariota/Trubisky/Jimmy G.[/quote]

I would have signed Bridgewater and drafted someone. Teddy isn't flashy but he will take care of the ball and won't LOSE you games like Wentz does.

Ron thinks this team is similar to the Rams and he is way off. His team NEEDS the draft picks. Every last one of them. Holes everywhere on this roster.

So I sign Teddy, I draft the stud wr out of Ohio State and have more room on the cap to fill some holes. I'd probably go in the 2nd or 3rd round to get my QB and just deal w/ the fact that this isn't a great QB draft. But I could maybe get Ridder or Strong in the 2nd or maybe the 3rd. Now you got someone in the pipeline.

I'll try and win 8 or 9 games running the ball, playing better defense, hitting some big plays w/ my wr's and not turning it over. That's the ceiling for this team, with or w/out Wentz.

So there you go, I just sold you on what this dumb ass team should have done... lol.

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[quote=mredskins;1312467]I still hope we draft a QB at 11[/quote]

Unless a QB is truly the BPA at 11, and that seems very doubtful, I'd go elsewhere. We could go with one of the top WR, LB, or DB there.

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[quote=mredskins;1312467]I still hope we draft a QB at 11[/quote]

They have to draft a QB at 11. They have to keep drafting QBs until one works out because its the most important position.

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[quote=irish;1312470]They have to draft a QB at 11. They have to keep drafting QBs until one works out because its the most important position.[/quote]

I agree, Wentz is not the long term answer. Plus it pushes Wentz even more if a 1st rounder is standing in the wings pressuring him.

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Well one thing is for sure about this trade, Ron is definitely in charge right now, not Snyder...because Snyder would've never been down for this...I'm sure his reaction is very similar to much of the fan base. It is not exciting, and doesn't inspire hope to a franchise that is desperately seeking hope. And we all know, after Rodgers and Wilson were officially somewhere else, Watson was the only other one that gave any hope to the future, and you can only assume they were not going that route or willing to wait on it. I think there is a very small chance Wentz will win here but I hope I'm wrong. It is funny to me that some are saying they like this deal vs signing a free agent because they'd have to commit more to a free agent...you commit as much as you want in the contract they sign...you make it a prove it this year type deal or we can move on from you. I think we've also learned Ron doesn't want a rookie QB...at all...so don't look for one to be drafted this season or next, unless they have a top 3 pick...which could happen.

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Soon enough we''ll be talking about how we went 7-10 with Heinike in an injury riddled no. 1 schedule season, how Chase will come back healthy, Logan Thomas "has never felt this good in his career", Williams Jackson III gets year 2 in the scheme, how our no. 11 overall pick a guard is the next coming of Osemele and Jamin Davis is playing without thinking.

Add all that up plus Wentz being good for 2 WAR and viola ...

Were talking playoffs and half the fan base is voting for a 10-7 season.

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[quote=Redskins247;1312472]Well one thing is for sure about this trade, Ron is definitely in charge right now, not Snyder...because Snyder would've never been down for this...I'm sure his reaction is very similar to much of the fan base. It is not exciting, and doesn't inspire hope to a franchise that is desperately seeking hope. And we all know, after Rodgers and Wilson were officially somewhere else, Watson was the only other one that gave any hope to the future, and you can only assume they were not going that route or willing to wait on it. I think there is a very small chance Wentz will win here but I hope I'm wrong. [B]It is funny to me that some are saying they like this deal vs signing a free agent because they'd have to commit more to a free agent...you commit as much as you want in the contract they sign...you make it a prove it this year type deal or we can move on from you.[/B] I think we've also learned Ron doesn't want a rookie QB...at all...so don't look for one to be drafted this season or next, unless they have a top 3 pick...which could happen.[/quote]

Problem with that is team B comes along and says hey Carson, we'll give you that 3 year $60M deal you want, no problem. And just like that you're back to square one.

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[quote=SunnySide;1312473]Soon enough we''ll be talking about how we went 7-10 with Heinike in an injury riddled no. 1 schedule season, how Chase will come back healthy, Logan Thomas "has never felt this good in his career", Williams Jackson III gets year 2 in the scheme, how our no. 11 overall pick a guard is the next coming of Osemele and Jamin Davis is playing without thinking.

Add all that up plus Wentz being good for 2 WAR and viola ...

Were talking playoffs and half the fan base is voting for a 10-7 season.[/quote]

I love mini camp time, when guys are flying around in shorts, every pick looks like a potential stud, and optimism is flowing like fine wine lol

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“Jameis Winston wants to stay in New Orleans” - The athletics Ben Standig

Kinda figured this, and it’s another reason we should be ok with Wentz

It was legit Mitch or Wentz…


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1312478]“Jameis Winston wants to stay in New Orleans” - The athletics Ben Standig

Kinda figured this, and it’s another reason we should be ok with Wentz

It was legit Mitch or Wentz…


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No guarantees Trubisky would want to come here either, sounds like a reunion with Daboll in NY is a very real possibility. He's going to have a handful of teams very interested. He's going to have options.

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[quote=MTK;1312480]No guarantees Trubisky would want to come here either, sounds like a reunion with Daboll in NY is a very real possibility. He's going to have a handful of teams very interested. He's going to have options.[/quote]

Yep and Ron has stated that he wants a Vet starter at QB, Ron is not the rookie type as we all know.. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't even take a QB now.

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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNdVARTXEAIGtmV?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG]

looks good

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[quote=MTK;1312480]No guarantees Trubisky would want to come here either, sounds like a reunion with Daboll in NY is a very real possibility. He's going to have a handful of teams very interested. He's going to have options.[/quote]

So Winston is likely staying put in New Orleans, Trubisky is probably going to New York.

We would have been competing with other teams for Jimmy G and Mariota.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1312481]Yep and Ron has stated that he wants a Vet starter at QB, Ron is not the rookie type as we all know.. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't even take a QB now.[/quote]

With only 5 picks now, I think it's critical to get guys that can play right away vs sitting and developing like a QB. I'd be fine with a late round flyer, but at 11? I think we need to get a starter there. Either at WR, LB, or a DB.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312483]So Winston is likely staying put in New Orleans, Trubisky is probably going to New York.

We would have been competing with other teams for Jimmy G and Mariota.[/quote]

And Jimmy G wasn't coming here, Kyle wasn't going to do him dirty like that.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1312456]This!! I don’t think many here watched his last 3 games collapse, he made Heinecken look like Joe Montana. Another issue with Wentz is, he’s always hurt.[/quote]

While he has had some injuries, I believe he's only missed 8 games due to injury in 6 years. He has been available.

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[quote=MTK;1312485]With only 5 picks now, I think it's critical to get guys that can play right away vs sitting and developing like a QB. I'd be fine with a late round flyer, but at 11? I think we need to get a starter there. Either at WR, LB, or a DB.[/quote]

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[QUOTE=irish;1312461][/B]

Not true. Since 2018 Wentz has played in 56 of 65 games. I wouldn't call that injury prone.[/QUOTE]


Not at all. Lol.

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“His arm strength is exceptional, and (Wentz) will make some throws at times that have you thinking you’re looking at the best quarterback in the league,” said Joe Banner, a longtime NFL executive and co-founder of the 33rd Team told The Athletic.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1312494]“His arm strength is exceptional, and (Wentz) will make some throws at times that have you thinking you’re looking at the best quarterback in the league,” said Joe Banner, a longtime NFL executive and co-founder of the 33rd Team told The Athletic.[/quote]

He's a higher functioning Rex Grossman. He can play at an elite level, and he can make idiotic plays that will leave you throwing your remote at the TV.

Pat McAfee said you most definitely won't be bored watching Wentz lol.

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[quote=MTK;1312486]And Jimmy G wasn't coming here, Kyle wasn't going to do him dirty like that.[/quote]

Also, Jimmy G is going into this trade market wanting to be paid as a true QB1.

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[quote=Redskins247;1312472]Well one thing is for sure about this trade, Ron is definitely in charge right now, not Snyder...because Snyder would've never been down for this...I'm sure his reaction is very similar to much of the fan base. It is not exciting, and doesn't inspire hope to a franchise that is desperately seeking hope. And we all know, after Rodgers and Wilson were officially somewhere else, Watson was the only other one that gave any hope to the future, and you can only assume they were not going that route or willing to wait on it. I think there is a very small chance Wentz will win here but I hope I'm wrong. [B]It is funny to me that some are saying they like this deal vs signing a free agent because they'd have to commit more to a free agent...you commit as much as you want in the contract they sign...you make it a prove it this year type deal or we can move on from you.[/B] I think we've also learned Ron doesn't want a rookie QB...at all...so don't look for one to be drafted this season or next, unless they have a top 3 pick...which could happen.[/quote]

Expect you have to get the FA to agree to that and you are bidding for their services against other teams, i am pretty sure free agent Wentz was not coming here.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312496]Also, Jimmy G is going into this trade market wanting to be paid as a true QB1.[/quote]

Jimmy G would have been the worse move possible- more in trade for him and he would demand a brand new deal.

He was completely propped up by a top 3 running game and top five offensive mind in the game.

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Wentz can make throws only a few other guys can make.. Mahomes , Allen , Herbert and Stafford.

Jimmy G is a system QB like Alex Smith was.