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Cheap? $18m guaranteed. Given Wentz confidence then bringing in veteran competition is almost guaranteed to make that trade a failure, its a bit touch and go as it is

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[quote=mredskins;1313780]Should we take a shot on baker? He maybe cheap and have a competition between him and Wentz[/quote]

If we bring another quarterback, it should be a mid/late round rookie. No need to bring another veteran QB.

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lol Baker isn't coming here to compete for a job.

Plus you don't give up picks for Wentz and then throw him into a competition.

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[quote=MTK;1313788]lol Baker isn't coming here to compete for a job.

Plus you don't give up picks for Wentz and then throw him into a competition.[/quote]

Ron made it clear that Wentz is QB1 for the forcible future in his presser

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[quote=MTK;1313788]lol Baker isn't coming here to compete for a job.

Plus you don't give up picks for Wentz and then throw him into a competition.[/quote]Florio thinks he ends up in Detroit to compete with Goff. It'll be interesting to see if Seattle is interested in him. If not nor Detroit, who knows? The rest of his career should be interesting considering his background and Cleveland sudden's divorce from him.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1313688]Innocent until proven guilty, unless innocent and we don't believe it, then still guilty anyways.

Let Watson live his life.

And hopefully Baker finds a spot where he can become the franchise QB.[/quote]

I don't have a good read on Mayfield but I don't think he is a franchise QB.
Hopefully he lands in a good spot so we can see what he can do.

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[quote=jamf;1313794]I don't have a good read on Mayfield but I don't think he is a franchise QB.
Hopefully he lands in a good spot so we can see what he can do.[/quote]

I agree, I don’t think Baker is a franchise QB…that Browns team is/was pretty loaded on offense: Great RBs, Great Oline, decent TE group…Odell and Landry WR.

Defense not terrible

Either Baker or bad coaching…

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I'd put BM in the top 15-20 range. He had an excellent 2020 season (10th in QBR) but really fell off last year due to injuries.

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[quote=Chico23231;1313795]I agree, I don’t think Baker is a franchise QB…that Browns team is/was pretty loaded on offense: Great RBs, Great Oline, decent TE group…Odell and Landry WR.

Defense not terrible

Either Baker or bad coaching…[/quote]

Well you had several people like Aikman and Phil Simms making fun of the offensive play calling with the Browns last year, saying it was like high school plays...is that the coach...or the coach not trusting Baker? Guess we'll find out when Watson takes over. It felt at times Baker was a gamer...but odds are he's not going to be anything special.

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[quote=MTK;1313796]I'd put BM in the top 15-20 range. He had an excellent 2020 season (10th in QBR) but really fell off last year due to injuries.[/quote]

If I'm a QB desperate team like the Panther, Seattle, Detroit, or New Orleans, I would rather have him over Jimmy G and his bum shoulder, or even Jameis. I guess it depends of what the compensation is going to look like for Baker.

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Mayfield played on a bum shoulder last year leading to the poor season. He got surgery to resolve it in January. He was much better prior to last year when healthy and nearly beat KC in the playoffs. Don't think the kid is the next Marino, but I would definitely not write him off yet.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1313799]If I'm a QB desperate team like the Panther, Seattle, Detroit, or New Orleans, I would rather have him over Jimmy G and his bum shoulder, or even Jameis. I guess it depends of what the compensation is going to look like for Baker.[/quote]Really starting to wonder what Seattle and Carolina are going to do at qb. Carroll reportedly loves Lock:

[url]https://www.foxnews.com/sports/pete-carroll-thinks-seahawks-shot-championship-drew-lock[/url]

Carolina is a crapshoot. Nothing would surprise me with the qb position and them. They were the only team to really give Darnold a chance.

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1313806]Really starting to wonder what Seattle and Carolina are going to do at qb. Carroll reportedly loves Lock:

[url]https://www.foxnews.com/sports/pete-carroll-thinks-seahawks-shot-championship-drew-lock[/url]

[B]Carolina is a crapshoot.[/B] Nothing would surprise me with the qb position and them. They were the only team to really give Darnold a chance.[/quote]

If I'm a QB with options, I'm not going to Carolina. Matt Rhule's days are counted, and he'd likely be fired at the end of this season, unless he pulls a miracle.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1313809]If I'm a QB with options, I'm not going to Carolina. Matt Rhule's days are counted, and he'd likely be fired at the end of this season, unless he pulls a miracle.[/quote]Agreed. Tepper seems to get rid of coaches quickly and Rhule's seat is quite warm. Pretty surprised he didn't jump back into college. Strong rumors of him going to Michigan if Harbaugh was done there.

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Baker has Seattle or CAR at this point and if I'm him I'd go to SEA.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1313812]Baker has Seattle or CAR at this point and if I'm him I'd go to SEA.[/quote]Really won't be surprised if Seattle doesn't want him. Carroll likes Lock. Starting to think he may only provide Cleveland a 4th rounder or so if anything. His stock plummeted quickly.

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Baker is inconsistent. Like on a year to year basis. Yeah he dealt with injuries but also you gotta deal with his immaturity.

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1313813]Really won't be surprised if Seattle doesn't want him. Carroll likes Lock. Starting to think he may only provide Cleveland a 4th rounder or so if anything. His stock plummeted quickly.[/quote]

Well the Browns put themselves in a position where they can't demand much for Baker. Teams have to know that Cleveland can't keep him now that they have Watson.

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@RapSheet
Za’Darius Smith agreed to terms with the #Vikings, source said.
3 year deal
Base value of 42 million
Worth up to 47 million with incentives
14 million APY

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1313813]Really won't be surprised if Seattle doesn't want him. Carroll likes Lock. Starting to think he may only provide Cleveland a 4th rounder or so if anything. His stock plummeted quickly.[/quote]

I'd be surprised if it is even that high. Many of the teams chasing free agents already have their guy. My guess is Cleveland will have to eat a lot of that contract too

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1313818]@RapSheet

Za’Darius Smith agreed to terms with the #Vikings, source said.

3 year deal

Base value of 42 million

Worth up to 47 million with incentives

14 million APY[/QUOTE]Thought he signed with Ravens?

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[QUOTE=GridIron26;1313820]Thought he signed with Ravens?[/QUOTE]


Backed out but no backlash on that one … shocker


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I wonder if the Ravens are going to throw a hissy fit like the Bills did over McKissic

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[quote=GridIron26;1313820]Thought he signed with Ravens?[/quote]

[YT][url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN4_Yvh2QHs[/url][/YT]

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[quote=MTK;1313822]I wonder if the Ravens are going to throw a hissy fit like the Bills did over McKissic[/quote]

Buffalo came across as complete clowns. The first 48 hour tamper window allows for for negotiations and nothing is final until that period ends and free agency begins where contracts can then be signed. This is for the benefit of the players to set their value

For Buffalo to think during this tamp window that deals were officially closed…that’s on them for being that naïve. That’s big time weak

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Carolina isn't interested in Baker either:

[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/03/22/panthers-reportedly-arent-interested-in-baker-mayfield/[/url]

Starting to think Cleveland may have to outright release him or get maybe a super late rd pick if any team is interested. Most teams have their qbs now. Also, what is Carolina's plan at qb now? Darnold, draft? Still think we could get an excellent haul for our #11 from some team.

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[quote=punch it in;1313814]Baker is inconsistent. Like on a year to year basis. Yeah he dealt with injuries but also you gotta deal with his immaturity.[/quote]That's what I think is turning teams off. He's very vocal- too vocal leading to maturity questions and the shoulder. I would be interested, honestly, if we didn't land Wentz as I think the kid has talent still. I'd strongly prefer Wentz though.

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Mayfield may have to wait to see how the draft shakes out.

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[quote=Chico23231;1313824]Buffalo came across as complete clowns. The first 48 hour tamper window allows for for negotiations and nothing is final until that period ends and free agency begins where contracts can then be signed. This is for the benefit of the players to set their value

For Buffalo to think during this tamp window that deals were officially closed…that’s on them for being that naïve. That’s big time weak[/quote]

It was so dumb... and all that drama over a 3rd down back? Really odd.

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Updated:

@RapSheet
Another blockbuster coming? Despite an offer from the #Chiefs that would make superstar Tyreek Hill one of the highest-paid receivers, extension talks have stalled and Kansas City has now given Hill’s agent permission to seek a trade, sources tell me and @TomPelissero.

@AdamSchefter
Jets and Dolphins are in serious talks to trade for Chiefs’ WR Tyreek Hill, per league sources. Hill and Chiefs are mulling what to do but Hill’s time in KC looks like it could be coming to an end.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1313882]Updated:

@RapSheet
Another blockbuster coming? Despite an offer from the #Chiefs that would make superstar Tyreek Hill one of the highest-paid receivers, extension talks have stalled and Kansas City has now given Hill’s agent permission to seek a trade, sources tell me and @TomPelissero.

@AdamSchefter
Jets and Dolphins are in serious talks to trade for Chiefs’ WR Tyreek Hill, per league sources. Hill and Chiefs are mulling what to do but Hill’s time in KC looks like it could be coming to an end.[/quote]Think this is a mistake by KC. Hill was a huge reason they won the SB converting the 4th and long. Few players have his skill set, production, and talent. This is surprising to me and think he may get scooped up quickly.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1313882]Updated:

@RapSheet
Another blockbuster coming? Despite an offer from the #Chiefs that would make superstar Tyreek Hill one of the highest-paid receivers, extension talks have stalled and Kansas City has now given Hill’s agent permission to seek a trade, sources tell me and @TomPelissero.

@AdamSchefter
Jets and Dolphins are in serious talks to trade for Chiefs’ WR Tyreek Hill, per league sources. Hill and Chiefs are mulling what to do but Hill’s time in KC looks like it could be coming to an end.[/quote]

Wow kinda seems unimaginable to not have Hill and Mahomes together.

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[quote=Chico23231;1313892]Wow kinda seems unimaginable to not have Hill and Mahomes together.[/quote]If he goes (likely now), they will draft one of these speed demons coming out in the draft I imagine at wr. There are several available.

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Marquez Valdes-Scantling reportedly now visiting KC giving the Hill-KC divorce more momentum. Valdes-Scantling is fast but he's not Hill. It'll be interesting to see what KC lands for Hill assuming it goes through.

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I thought Marquez Valdes-Scantling might be a good idea for us, but I haven't heard anything to suggest it was a possibility. He would be a good fit with Wentz.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1313899]I thought Marquez Valdes-Scantling might be a good idea for us, but I haven't heard anything to suggest it was a possibility. He would be a good fit with Wentz.[/quote]Agreed. He's 6'4" and ran a 4.37. Sure Mahomes and Reid would love to have him. As good as Hill is, one thing he doesn't have is great size.

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@AlbertBreer

The Chiefs have traded Tyreek Hill to the Dolphins for 2022 first-, second- and fourth-round picks, and 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks, per source.

HUGE haul.

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[quote=MTK;1313909]@AlbertBreer

The Chiefs have traded Tyreek Hill to the Dolphins for 2022 first-, second- and fourth-round picks, and 2023 fourth- and sixth-round picks, per source.

HUGE haul.[/quote]

Good grief Charlie Brown.

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Can't imagine giving up all those picks for a non QB.

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The contract is 4 years $120M with $72M guaranteed.