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lol switching to libertarian doesn’t make you the smartest kid in the room or somehow absolve you of showing party bias.
If you think the New York Times = Democrats ... I don’t know what to tell you. You 100% have the right to shape your world and your views as you see fit. If that’s what you think, a newspaper is a political party ... okay cool. |
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[quote=SunnySide;1260503]1. New York Times are not Democrats.
2. The tax return issue has been going on for a long time and I read several articles on this a year or so ago that said if trump and Barr continue to fight this it might push the disclosure to right before the election. 3. Not nearly as bad as Fox News falsely claiming Hillary was soon the be indicted days before the election then Fox News walking it back the day after the election. I’m just waiting for this Durham report which has been going on for 2 years to drop right before elections. I’m sure you will take republicans to task for slow walking an investigation so the report drops right before an election. On an investigation which has already been investigated and cleared. Politics suck on both sides but one side does it more than the other.[/quote] Lol New York Times not democrats. They are certainly working as a mouthpiece for the democratic and are a well know liberal biased trash heap. Certainly was proven last election as Clinton leaked emails had the Clinton campaign chair, too reach out to Maggie Haberman, a piece of trash NYT reporter, to work with her to plant stories for the campaign. Look it up on google. The email states she is considered friendly press and she had planted stories before at politico. NYT stories are biased propaganda...not believable. Also the treatment of the Steele dossier by the NYT in the Russian collusion hoax disqualifies them as a proper source for any believable content about Trump |
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[quote=SunnySide;1260511]lol switching to libertarian doesn’t make you the smartest kid in the room or somehow absolve you of showing party bias.
If you think the New York Times = Democrats ... I don’t know what to tell you. You 100% have the right to shape your world and your views as you see fit. If that’s what you think, a newspaper is a political party ... okay cool.[/quote] Never said I was the smartest in the room. Don't even know why this comment was made by you. As in that paragraph I said that I would take Republicans to task for releasing the report between now and election day. And I didn't say I was equally critical of both parties. Being conservative I'm obviously going to disagree more with Democrats. but I am way more critical of Republicans than you are of Democrats. The only time you say anything remotely negative is to use it to sling right back to Republicans. Such as politics sucks on both sides, but one sucks worse. No honest criticisms. |
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Newspapers are biased just like news channels are. If your worldview is that NYT is not a 99.99% liberal publication, cool.
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SD - I apologize for the smartest kid in the room comment, it was petty
Re the NYT article - it is concerning that a persons tax filings were leaked especially a sitting POTUS. This doesn’t appear to be from the NY cases as I don’t think that has been turned over yet. That leak and then protecting sources by not disclosing the documents they relied on for their article is a problem. |
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[quote=SunnySide;1260535]SD - I apologize for the smartest kid in the room comment, it was petty
Re the NYT article - it is concerning that a persons tax filings were leaked especially a sitting POTUS. This doesn’t appear to be from the NY cases as I don’t think that has been turned over yet. That leak and then protecting sources by not disclosing the documents they relied on for their article is a problem.[/quote] Definitely not cool. Hopefully someone/people are eventually held accountable. I'm pretty sure leaking someone's private info is a crime at worst and a fireable offense at minimum. But it's not surprising. There just isn't enough morality or standards on either side. The ends always justify the means, and that's unfortunate. Side note - Our tax code is a joke. Fuck both parties 50/50 on that monstrosity. |
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LOL, the usual suspects here bitching about poor ,poor donnie trump being picked on. Got to fucking love!
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[QUOTE=Giantone;1260560]LOL, the usual suspects here bitching about poor ,poor donnie trump being picked on. Got to fucking love![/QUOTE]
Seriously it is pretty laughable. The dude commits tax fraud for years, and lies about it but the concern from the Trumpers is the moral fiber of the ones who found out and let the American people know about it. Leakers, whistle blowers, witnesses, victims - BAD! Criminal - VICTIM! Honestly the taxes are like the 10,000th example of this weird hypocritical, i know you are but what am I , brainwashed, dynamic that exists between Master cheeto and his minions.... If Obama committed tax fraud because he forgot a decimal point and was off by a dollar one years ago on his returns it would be breaking news on Fox. Trump defrauds the country for multi millions of dollars and he garners sympathy from his people. LOL. As if everyone didn’t know the guy was a full blown con artist already. It is mind numbing. He told us all he did it - said it made him “smart”. It is so in plain sight it cannot be true! Haha. |
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[quote=punch it in;1260571]Seriously it is pretty laughable. The dude commits tax fraud for years, and lies about it but the concern from the Trumpers is the moral fiber of the ones who found out and let the American people know about it. Leakers, whistle blowers, witnesses, victims - BAD! Criminal - VICTIM! Honestly the taxes are like the 10,000th example of this weird hypocritical, i know you are but what am I , brainwashed, dynamic that exists between Master cheeto and his minions....
If Obama committed tax fraud because he forgot a decimal point and was off by a dollar one years ago on his returns it would be breaking news on Fox.[/quote] So very true. |
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Lol...tax fraud? JFC...nothing illegal, people are just too stupid to understand taxes
I was told Trump had all this money and investments with Russia, which woulda been on his taxes....not a peep about that? Strange...it’s almost like people believe these conspiracy theories |
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Quinn Sutherland
@ReelQuinn · Sep 27 ABC: His taxes CNN: His taxes Animal Planet: His taxes Cartoon Network: His taxes FOX News: Hearty fall soup recipes Hearty Fall Soup Channel: His taxes 2.4K 60.6K 347.9K LOL! |
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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1260535]SD - I apologize for the smartest kid in the room comment, it was petty
Re the NYT article - it is concerning that a persons tax filings were leaked especially a sitting POTUS. This doesn’t appear to be from the NY cases as I don’t think that has been turned over yet. That leak and then protecting sources by not disclosing the documents they relied on for their article is a problem.[/QUOTE] No. What is concerning is that a President would commit tax fraud for several years. The fact that someone took a risk to let the American people know the truth about who they are entrusting our country and our democracy to is commendable and should be applauded. The Times is also in the right for protecting their sources. Especially from a vindictive douchebag. If Trump is so concerned about his “reputation “ and the “truth” than release the details of your returns (the ones in question as per the IRS are not under audit and have not been for years) like every other POTUS for the last fifty years has done. Full Fucking [emoji1630]. |
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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1260573]Lol...tax fraud? JFC...nothing illegal, people are just too stupid to understand taxes
I was told Trump had all this money and investments with Russia, which woulda been on his taxes....not a peep about that? Strange...it’s almost like people believe these conspiracy theories[/QUOTE] It is not illegal to lie about your earnings to the tune of millions of dollars? That is tax fraud. And you are the one who seemingly doesn’t understand the basic essence of taxes or tax fraud. LOL |
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Also if you want to go with the “he only owed 750 dollars” than he is one shitty business man and a liar. So which is it? Because that is supposedly why you all wanna smell his shorts - he is a great businessman and not a politician right?
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[quote=Chico23231;1260573]Lol...tax fraud? JFC...nothing illegal, people are just too stupid to understand taxes
I was told Trump had all this money and investments with Russia, which woulda been on his taxes....not a peep about that? Strange...it’s almost like people believe these conspiracy theories[/quote] Do you have to show your loans or cosigners on your tax forms? Asking because I didn't tell the feds I have a car loan, now I'm hoping I don't get audited for not disclosing that. Quit putting the Trump pussy on a pedestal Chico, it's a bad look for you. |
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[quote=Chico23231;1260573]Lol...tax fraud? JFC...nothing illegal, people are just too stupid to understand taxes
I was told Trump had all this money and investments with Russia, which woulda been on his taxes....not a peep about that? Strange...it’s almost like people believe these conspiracy theories[/quote] Not true Bozo breath. [url]www.yahoo.com/news/muellers-top-prosecutor-connects-trump-162231050.html[/url] Mueller's top prosecutor connects the Trump tax revelations to Russia Tim O'Donnell Mon, September 28, 2020, 12:22 PM EDT Andrew Weissman, a prosecutor who served as one of former Special Counsel Robert Mueller's top lieutenants during the investigation into 2016 Russian election interference, on Monday connected revelations about President Trump's tax information to Moscow. The tax information, obtained by The New York Times, has sparked speculation that Trump may owe hundreds of millions of dollars to an unknown funding source that kept his businesses alive over the years. Weissman suggested that Trump's son, Eric Trump, may have provided the geographic location of the money, if not the exact source, all the way back in 2014, before the elder Trump had announced his 2016 presidential campaign. "We have all the funding we need out of Russia," Eric Trump said in 2014. |
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[quote=mooby;1260579]Do you have to show your loans or cosigners on your tax forms?
Asking because I didn't tell the feds I have a car loan, now I'm hoping I don't get audited for not disclosing that. Quit putting the Trump pussy on a pedestal Chico, it's a bad look for you.[/quote] LOL,.....add in a 15 year audit over a questionable 72 million dollar tax refund! Lets not forget using Ivanka as an illegal tax write off to the tune of 700,000 a year. |
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He is the biggest con artist of all time. Right now he is conning millions of Americans and a handful of WP’s into believing he is doing it for them. Its horrible and hysterical all in one.
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I am no expert on taxes so I don't really have much to say about the topic yet, but here is an article about the NYT article if you would like a different perspective.
[url]https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2020/09/28/carney-the-new-york-times-attack-on-trumps-financial-acumen-is-nonsense/[/url] And yes, I know it's Breitbart so many of you probably won't read it for that alone. But it was written by John Carney who was previously with the WSJ before that and has written for CNBC, etc. Not even saying this proves Trump didn't do anything wrong, just a different take. That's all. Please don't kill me in the morning. |
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Ex-Watergate Prosecutor Says 'No Question' Trump And Ivanka Could Both Face Prison
[url]https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/donald-ivanka-trump-tax-fraud-041055432.html[/url] A former federal prosecutor during the Watergate proceedings that brought down President Richard Nixon says new tax revelations about President Donald Trump could ultimately send him to prison. “No question about it,” Nick Akerman said Monday on CNN. “And his daughter could go to jail, too.” Both the president and his oldest daughter, Ivanka Trump, who also serves as a White House adviser, are named in the New York Times report detailing the schemes that allowed Donald Trump to avoid taxes for much of the past decade and a half. “Tax evasion is a five-year felony,” said Akerman, who was an assistant special Watergate prosecutor investigated Nixon’s taxes. “It’s a pretty serious crime, and the more money that’s stolen, the longer you go to jail for.” Trump has denied any wrongdoing. However, he has also refused to publicly disclose his tax returns, as has been customary for presidential candidates for nearly half a century. Akerman said the Times report details “a whole series of activities that could qualify as tax fraud, not tax avoidance.” Avoidance, he said, is merely taking advantage of the tax code in legal ways to maximize deductions. Fraud, on the other hand, involves lying about income and deductions. He pointed specifically to consultant fees paid by Donald Trump to Ivanka Trump. Since Ivanka Trump was already an employee of the Trump Organization, Akerman said, there was “no legitimate reason” for those payments. He speculated the two could have been shifting the money around to avoid paying taxes on it. That, he said, could lead to an ominous development for the president should he leave office in January. “The only thing that’s saving him at this point is the Department of Justice’s guideline that says you can’t indict a sitting president,” Akerman said. “Once he’s no longer a sitting president, he is subject to being indicted.” |
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Lol...the conspiracy theories here are an embarrassment.
Trump being controlled by Russian deals? Lol...tax fraud? With no evidence of anything |
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The amount of debt he has should be a big concern to everyone.
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[quote=Chico23231;1260599]Lol...the conspiracy theories here are an embarrassment.
Trump being controlled by Russian deals? Lol...tax fraud? With no evidence of anything[/quote] Look at what Eric Trump said,.......they have all the funding they need from russia. hell of a retort chico, spoken like a true trumpett . He could squash it and just release his tax returns. |
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Trump owes almost 400 million in the next two years. Personally guaranteed.
To who? Because if you think any bank was offering him that much after all the bankruptcies in the 90's, without a cosigner, you are crazy. My money is his Deutsche bank loans are backed by people out of Russia. |
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Plenty of employers out there won't give someone a job based on their credit check and debt, meanwhile we have this jackass with the most important job in the country massively in debt.
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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1260599]Lol...the conspiracy theories here are an embarrassment.
Trump being controlled by Russian deals? Lol...tax fraud? With no evidence of anything[/QUOTE] Wtf are you talking about? You actually believe he owed 750 dollars?!? LMFAO And please with the conspiracy theories. I mean that is rich coming from the party of Trump. |
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[quote=MTK;1260639]Plenty of employers out there won't give someone a job based on their credit check and debt, meanwhile we have this jackass with the most important job in the country massively in debt.[/quote]
He would be dq'd from any gov't job that isn't POTUS just for the potential liability of being in debt to any foreign country. I'd love to know what his debt to asset ratio is right now. |
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If the right wants to say they dont give a shit about tax fraud than say that. But for the love of god stop acting like he didn’t. It is so cult like at this point with the undying love and bending over backwards to ignore his crimes and faults that i think there was actually something done to their brains while they were sleeping.
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[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/trumps-call-for-poll-watching-volunteers-sparks-fear-of-chaos-and-violence-on-election-day/ar-BB19AH6j?li=BBnb7Kz[/url]
Chico, your man is making a mockery of what should be amongst the most sacred events in our country. Voter interference, undermining the public confidence in a presidential election, making unsupported claims of widespread fraud - these are all things dictators and despots do. Your silence on this is deafening. |
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[quote=Chico23231;1260599]Lol...the conspiracy theories here are an embarrassment.
Trump being controlled by Russian deals? Lol...tax fraud? With no evidence of anything[/quote] Only a complete idiot would think there is nothing there! Good Job chico! [url]https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-russia-business-financial-ties-2018-11[/url] [url]https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/[/url] [url]https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2019/04/18/mueller-outlines-3-business-deals-trump-pursued-in-russia/#35499eff4da5[/url] [url]https://www.pri.org/stories/2018-12-13/trumps-business-history-russia-long-and-colorful-one[/url] |
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[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/1-600-former-justice-department-194142299.html[/url]
chico add these guys to the list! USA TODAY 1,600 former Justice Department lawyers accuse Barr of using DOJ to help Trump in election Kristine Phillips and Kevin Johnson, USA TODAY Thu, October 1, 2020, 3:49 PM EDT WASHINGTON – Former Justice Department attorneys expressed concerns Thursday that Attorney General William Barr is using the power of the agency to help President Donald Trump win reelection, citing statements Barr had made about mail-in ballots and the politically fraught inquiry into the Russia investigation. "We fear that Attorney General Barr intends to use the DOJ's vast law enforcement powers to undermine our most fundamental democratic value: free and fair elections," according to an open letter signed by about 1,600 former Justice Department employees. Barr has echoed the president's attacks on mail-in ballots as more states have allowed voting by mail due to the coronavirus pandemic. "People are trying to change the rules to this, to this methodology – which, as a matter of logic, is very open to fraud and coercion – is reckless and dangerous and people are playing with fire," the attorney general said in an interview with CNN last month. Trump emphasizes violence in cities: Are his 'law and order' tactics working? Last week, the Justice Department announced an investigation into nine discarded mail-in ballots reportedly recovered from a county elections office in northeast Pennsylvania. Seven of the nine ballots had been cast for the president, who has repeatedly claimed, without evidence, that massive fraud involving mail-in ballots is underway. The announcement, which did not suggest the type of "out-of-control" fraud the president has claimed, was "premature and improper" and gave the White House and the Trump campaign a talking point to discredit mail-in voting, the letter said. |
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[quote=mooby;1260886][url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/trumps-call-for-poll-watching-volunteers-sparks-fear-of-chaos-and-violence-on-election-day/ar-BB19AH6j?li=BBnb7Kz[/url]
Chico, your man is making a mockery of what should be amongst the most sacred events in our country. Voter interference, undermining the public confidence in a presidential election, making unsupported claims of widespread fraud - these are all things dictators and despots do. Your silence on this is deafening.[/quote] Remember your boy Obama allowed Russia to interfere this most sacred events and did nothing to protect it. This ended a series of events where Obama got his ass kicked by Putin across the world. If you haven’t heard about the numerous problems with mail in ballots and don’t think mail in voting increases the likelihood of fraud, then I can’t help you. |
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[quote=Chico23231;1260975]Remember your boy Obama allowed Russia to interfere this most sacred events and did nothing to protect it. This ended a series of events where Obama got his ass kicked by Putin across the world.
If you haven’t heard about the numerous problems with mail in ballots and don’t think mail in voting increases the likelihood of fraud, then I can’t help you.[/quote] I am happy to blame Obama for his shit job stopping Russia from interfering if you would be so kind to acknowledge the shit job Trump is doing protecting the integrity of the election this year. In regards to your second paragraph, I present you [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/minuscule-number-of-potentially-fraudulent-ballots-in-states-with-universal-mail-voting-undercuts-trump-claims-about-election-risks/2020/06/08/1e78aa26-a5c5-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html"]with this[/URL]. [quote=WaPo] But a Washington Post analysis of data collected by three vote-by-mail states with help from the nonprofit Electronic Registration Information Center (ERIC) found that officials identified just 372 possible cases of double voting or voting on behalf of deceased people out of about 14.6 million votes cast by mail in the 2016 and 2018 general elections, or 0.0025 percent. The figure reflects cases referred to law enforcement agencies in five elections held in Colorado, Oregon and Washington, where all voters proactively receive ballots in the mail for every election. The minuscule rate of potentially fraudulent ballots in those states adds support to assertions by election officials nationwide that with the right safeguards, mail voting is a secure method for conducting elections this year amid the threat of the novel coronavirus — undercutting the president’s claims. ... Current and former election officials in the three states said allegations that mail voting fosters widespread cheating are not only defied by the data, but also do not acknowledge the sophisticated and tightly controlled ways that voting operates in their jurisdictions, which have layers of security designed specifically to root out fraud and build confidence in the system. [/quote] The US has 5 states which do exclusive voting-by-mail. Unless you're suggesting that those 5 states are so corrupted by voting fraud that their results shouldn't count, I trust the process. I'm not saying voter fraud doesn't exist or happen in the US, just saying that when it does happen it's not widespread, nor does it have the ability to impact the outcome of the election. |
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[quote=mooby;1260982]I am happy to blame Obama for his shit job stopping Russia from interfering if you would be so kind to acknowledge the shit job Trump is doing protecting the integrity of the election this year.
In regards to your second paragraph, I present you [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/minuscule-number-of-potentially-fraudulent-ballots-in-states-with-universal-mail-voting-undercuts-trump-claims-about-election-risks/2020/06/08/1e78aa26-a5c5-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html"]with this[/URL]. The US has 5 states which do exclusive voting-by-mail. Unless you're suggesting that those 5 states are so corrupted by voting fraud that their results shouldn't count, I trust the process. I'm [B]not saying voter fraud doesn't exist or happen in the US, just saying that when it does happen it's not widespread, nor does it have the ability to impact the outcome of the election.[/B][/quote] You understand your error in your logic right? You are sitting here assuming the this scope of vote by mail as been done before and it’s been successful..it’s completely false premise. I’m telling you now, when the government fucks this up, do not blame the president. He’s warned you. The liberals have told the country this is fine, it will be ok. Noted. What we are seeing currently are massive errors in just mailing the ballots out...and some retrieval of ballots have lost, found where they shouldn’t be. Always a favorite here: [url]https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/obama-romney-the-1980s-are-now-calling-msna15158[/url] President Obama issued a blistering attack against Mitt Romney's shaky and shifting foreign policy pronouncements in the opening of the last presidential debate before November's election. "The 1980's are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back," Obama said, referring to a statement by Romney that Russia is "our number one geopolitical foe." "You've never been in a position to execute foreign policy, but every time you've offered an opinion, you've been wrong," the president said in the debate moderated by Bob Scheiffer in Boca Raton, Florida. This goes up there with ISIS is the jv team...5 years ago the country was under threat and under contact attacks from Islamic terrorists. Remember? Trump finally took care of that and now we see peace agreements being constructed in the Middle East with Israel. |
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I thought the right loved Christmas?
[URL="https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2020/10/01/melania-trump-christmas-decorating-curse-leaks-twitter-reacts/5890795002/"]Recording reveals Melania Trump's curse over White House Christmas decorating duties; Twitter reacts[/URL] |
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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1260975]Remember your boy Obama allowed Russia to interfere this most sacred events and did nothing to protect it. This ended a series of events where Obama got his ass kicked by Putin across the world.
If you haven’t heard about the numerous problems with mail in ballots and don’t think mail in voting increases the likelihood of fraud, then I can’t help you.[/QUOTE] This might be the dumbest post in the history of posts. [emoji849] |
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So after douchebag learned of his possible exposure to Hope Hicks he still traveled to NJ for his gathering. What a fuckin piece of shit this guy is. I know Chico Obama did it first. [emoji849][emoji849][emoji849]
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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1260993]You understand your error in your logic right? You are sitting here assuming the this scope of vote by mail as been done before and it’s been successful..it’s completely false premise. I’m telling you now, when the government fucks this up, do not blame the president. He’s warned you. The liberals have told the country this is fine, it will be ok. Noted.
What we are seeing currently are massive errors in just mailing the ballots out...and some retrieval of ballots have lost, found where they shouldn’t be. Always a favorite here: [url]https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/obama-romney-the-1980s-are-now-calling-msna15158[/url] President Obama issued a blistering attack against Mitt Romney's shaky and shifting foreign policy pronouncements in the opening of the last presidential debate before November's election. "The 1980's are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back," Obama said, referring to a statement by Romney that Russia is "our number one geopolitical foe." "You've never been in a position to execute foreign policy, but every time you've offered an opinion, you've been wrong," the president said in the debate moderated by Bob Scheiffer in Boca Raton, Florida. This goes up there with ISIS is the jv team...5 years ago the country was under threat and under contact attacks from Islamic terrorists. Remember? Trump finally took care of that and now we see peace agreements being constructed in the Middle East with Israel.[/QUOTE] Well I thought that other post was the dumbest post in the history of posts. I should have known to keep reading until you put down the bong. |
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[quote=punch it in;1261010]So after douchebag learned of his possible exposure to Hope Hicks he still traveled to NJ for his gathering. What a fuckin piece of shit this guy is. I know Chico Obama did it first. [emoji849][emoji849][emoji849][/quote]
And he tossed hats into the crowd with his tiny covid covered hands |
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