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[quote=Chico23231;1293839]Shit is about to get real with energy prices. If you heat your house with Natural gas it’s gonna be ugly this winter. Crude Oil just touched highest price since 2014.

Not good[/quote]

Most of our natural gas comes from horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing anyways so crude oil won't impact it's price. Of course prices will go up because corps will make us pay more just because but they don't have too.

Being tied to corporate whims is one of the reasons I decided to eliminate natural gas heat all together and switch to a wood burning stove. Now I just wait for a tree to fall slice, dice and split and I am set for the winter.

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[quote=punch it in;1293824]Well Manchin is up against a red base. Sinema is not. So I mainly blame her.[/quote]


So that is what I don't get - how can you blame her or Manchin? Sinema, Manchin and a bipartisan group of Senators developed and passed the infrastructure bill in the Senate. It's the progressive's that won't pass it in the House unless/until the the trillions that were taken out in the compromise are passed in a separate bill by the Senate.

Essentially they are holding the 1.2T infrastructure bill hostage until they get what they want. And you blame Sinema, for holding up her own bill?

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[quote=punch it in;1293921]Also in regards to the infrastructure thing I mainly blame the Republicans who suddenly are fiscally responsible again since Trump left. No bill they are fighting the progressives on is a trillion dollar tax break for the super rich so…..:[/quote]

Again? So now how can you blame the Republicans? The infrastructure bill is a [B]bipartisan[/B] bill passed in the Senate. It is the progressives in the House that are holding that bill hostage until their own separate (non infrastructure) bill gets passed in reconciliation.

It is the same I want the whole loaf or nothing option that Washington has been operating on for the last 13 years.

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[QUOTE=nonniey;1293999]Again? So now how can you blame the Republicans? The infrastructure bill is a [B]bipartisan[/B] bill passed in the Senate. It is the progressives in the House that are holding that bill hostage until their own separate (non infrastructure) bill gets passed in reconciliation.

It is the same I want the whole loaf or nothing option that Washington has been operating on for the last 13 years.[/QUOTE]


Wrong. It is Mitch No Connell and the Republicans also not taking up or even considering anything else - and pretending to suddenly be fiscally responsible. He is very fiscally responsible when it is convenient. So much more good for the American people could come from what the progressives want passed than the trillion we gave to the rich right under McConnells nose.
Yes pass the infrastructure bill. But there is more good that can be done with our money than helping rich people and that wasn’t a problem for Mitch who is suddenly fiscally responsible. Cant just ignore that whole side of things.

Again though if you are the progressive wing take the infrastructure bill because it is better than nothing. Still more to the picture than meets the eye though. And as usual road block McConnell is talking out of another side of his ass the fuckin hypocritical lying sack of Shit. His suddenly fiscally responsible self is very reminiscent of his we wont push through a Supreme Court justice in an election year self is all im saying. Reminiscent of the we don’t need to investigate the insurrection self. He is the most partisan hack of all time. And bipartisanship seems to be the issue here.

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[quote=punch it in;1294003]Wrong. It is Mitch No Connell and the Republicans also not taking up or even considering anything else - and pretending to suddenly be fiscally responsible. He is very fiscally responsible when it is convenient. So much more good for the American people could come from what the progressives want passed than the trillion we gave to the rich right under McConnells nose.
Yes pass the infrastructure bill. But there is more good that can be done with our money than helping rich people and that wasn’t a problem for Mitch who is suddenly fiscally responsible. Cant just ignore that whole side of things.

Again though if you are the progressive wing take the infrastructure bill because it is better than nothing. Still more to the picture than meets the eye though. And as usual road block McConnell is talking out of another side of his ass the fuckin hypocritical lying sack of Shit. His suddenly fiscally responsible self is very reminiscent of his we wont push through a Supreme Court justice in an election year self is all im saying. Reminiscent of the we don’t need to investigate the insurrection self. He is the most partisan hack of all time. And bipartisanship seems to be the issue here.[/quote]

You do know that Mitch McConnel voted for the infrastructure bill, right?

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1293989]Most of our natural gas comes from horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing anyways so crude oil won't impact it's price. Of course prices will go up because corps will make us pay more just because but they don't have too.

Being tied to corporate whims is one of the reasons I decided to eliminate natural gas heat all together and switch to a wood burning stove. Now I just wait for a tree to fall slice, dice and split and I am set for the winter.[/quote]

Man I wish I had a wood fireplace, I replaced with propane logs. Nothing is better

I think one thing to remember with energy is for the first time since 1953 during the last administration, the US became a net exporter of energy. That’s bigly

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/01/24/us-becomes-a-net-energy-exporter-in-2020-energy-dept-says.html[/url]

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[QUOTE=nonniey;1294015]You do know that Mitch McConnel voted for the infrastructure bill, right?[/QUOTE]


You are circumventing the big picture. Of course he voted for it. With the caveat that nothing else would be considered- whst the progressives wanted - because he is suddenly and conveniently fiscally responsible. Now pick up with my last post.

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[quote=Chico23231;1293969]Blue states have an option around the salt tax discussion…[B]blue states could easily and simply lower tax rates[/B]. It’s unfair to everyone regardless of tax brackets[/quote]

States that voted for Democrat Barack Obama in the 2012 presidential election have, on average, better high school and college graduation rates than states that supported Republican Mitt Romney, according to U.S. Census data.

Red states fall 1.5 percentage points below the national average for high school completion rate (84.2% vs. 85.7%), and 3.3 percentage points below the national average for college degree attainment (25.1% vs. 28.4%).

Blue states, in comparison, perform slightly above the national averages—by 0.8 and 2 percentage points, respectively.

[url]https://time.com/101697/blue-states-barack-obama-won-in-2012-are-more-educated-than-red-states/[/url]

Few factors bear as heavily on the well-being of any state’s citizens as their overall quality of health. In evaluating the Best States for health care, access to preventive medical and dental treatment for children and adults alike is a key consideration.

Hawaii is the top state for health care. It’s followed by Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey and California to round out the top five.

[url]https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/health-care[/url]

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if Maryland had the school system and health care of Alabama or Mississippi .. I wouldnt live in Maryland.

Maryland is ranked as the 4th best public school state in the Country and Howard County is ranked the 1st county in Maryland.

I have a major hospital 5 miles from my house. I have John Hopkins 20 miles from my house.

I have a 6 figure job and am surrounded by job opportunities in the 6 figure range. My house increased over 100k in value over the past few years.

We pay more in State and local taxes but live in a better state of health wealth and social services.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1293975][IMG]https://c.tenor.com/uKjKZFAvCoMAAAAM/laughing-laugh.gif[/IMG][/quote]

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apologies

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[quote=SunnySide;1294033]States that voted for Democrat Barack Obama in the 2012 presidential election have, on average, better high school and college graduation rates than states that supported Republican Mitt Romney, according to U.S. Census data.

Red states fall 1.5 percentage points below the national average for high school completion rate (84.2% vs. 85.7%), and 3.3 percentage points below the national average for college degree attainment (25.1% vs. 28.4%).

Blue states, in comparison, perform slightly above the national averages—by 0.8 and 2 percentage points, respectively.

[url]https://time.com/101697/blue-states-barack-obama-won-in-2012-are-more-educated-than-red-states/[/url]

Few factors bear as heavily on the well-being of any state’s citizens as their overall quality of health. In evaluating the Best States for health care, access to preventive medical and dental treatment for children and adults alike is a key consideration.

Hawaii is the top state for health care. It’s followed by Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey and California to round out the top five.

[url]https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/health-care[/url]

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if Maryland had the school system and health care of Alabama or Mississippi .. I wouldnt live in Maryland.

Maryland is ranked as the 4th best public school state in the Country and Howard County is ranked the 1st county in Maryland.

I have a major hospital 5 miles from my house. I have John Hopkins 20 miles from my house.

I have a 6 figure job and am surrounded by job opportunities in the 6 figure range. My house increased over 100k in value over the past few years.

We pay more in State and local taxes but live in a better state of health wealth and social services.[/quote]

Exactly, choice is what this country is all about. Kinda like laws in some states seem to offend someone 800 miles away. Like why would they care and get emotionally involved?

But this post doesn’t address why support a federal package would give massive tax break to most affluent and then construct a false narrative stating we are taxing the rich?

Well I support high taxes because I can afford it, isn’t really a defense. I imagine in can find folks who can’t. Representative government also doesn’t matter if you think you or Maryland is better than someone in Alabama or Alabama itself. Folks love both states and chose to live there for different reasons. Shit, Alabama has a song about calling it home. Never heard the Maryland one.

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[quote=punch it in;1294032]You are circumventing the big picture. Of course he voted for it. With the caveat that nothing else would be considered- whst the progressives wanted - because he is suddenly and conveniently fiscally responsible. Now pick up with my last post.[/quote]

You also know they could raise the debt ceiling too without a GOP vote, right?

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[quote=SunnySide;1294035]edit - bad energy reply

apologies[/quote]

Damnit, I didn't wake up early enough.

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This hold up on the infrastructure deal is a perfect example of the bullshit in D.C. Always trying to sneak in other stuff into a bill that has nothing to do with what the bill is actually for. Then if someone doesn't vote for it, they hate America.

This is even worse, a group of the left won't pass one bill altogether, because they want a completely different, way more expensive bill passed first. That's just wrong.

I'm sorry, blaming the right or Sinema/Manchin for the infrastructure bill not being passed, is not arguing in good faith imo.

Pass the damn infrastructure bill. It would be a huge piece of bipartisan legislation and a win for Biden. Then after the bill is passed, try to work on the other one. Then you can pile on McConnell, republicans, Manchin, Sinema, all you want about why they won't pass that bill.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1294041]You also know they could raise the debt ceiling too without a GOP vote, right?[/QUOTE]


Lol! Three times with Democratic support under Trump it was raised. Now it is on us so that the right can spin it like we are the reckless spenders? Ok.