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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1359471]Can I ask a question of the more knowledgeable fans here - What are the causes that make picking a quarterback so much more of a crap shoot then most other positions. I mean I get that in there are some intangibles that you can't tell, but all these quarterbacks that go in the top 10 that are busts or at least not superstars Have been playing this game their whole life from the time they were eight or nine 10 through college there's lots of film there's lots of ways to investigate it . Why is it so hard to find the good one ?

Or what is it about the NFL that makes being a good one so much harder than college etc.

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I'm only drafting J.D. at 2 for the rest of my mock drafts. I want to will that into fruition.

2. Jayden Daniels QB LSU
36. Troy Franklin WR Oregon
40. Darius Robinson EDGE Missouri
67. Max Melton CB Rutgers
101. Payton Wilson LB NC State
103. Brandon Coleman OG TCU
138. Beaux Limmer OC Arkansas
181. Erick All TE Iowa
220. Nathan Thomas OT Louisiana

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1359490][url]https://www.abc27.com/sports/sports-illustrated/833ae846/kurt-warner-admits-college-football-is-hard-to-watch-as-he-breaks-down-draft-qbs/[/url][/quote]

...the pass concepts are a mess most of the time

Even throwing college O.C.'s under the bus. But he isn't wrong, everyone runs the same offense nowadays. It's boring unless it's your team.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1359492]I'm only drafting J.D. at 2 for the rest of my mock drafts. I want to will that into fruition.

2. Jayden Daniels QB LSU
36. Troy Franklin WR Oregon
40. Darius Robinson EDGE Missouri
67. Max Melton CB Rutgers
101. Payton Wilson LB NC State
103. Brandon Coleman OG TCU
138. Beaux Limmer OC Arkansas
181. Erick All TE Iowa
220. Nathan Thomas OT Louisiana[/quote]

That could be a fine draft class!

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I will admit to a bias. These super mobile QBs have been around since Randall Cunningham, over the last decade we've seen a ton of them and some on good teams. But only one (Hurts) even made it to the Super Bowl.

As I watched the first quarter of the Ravens/Chiefs I told myself I have to get with the times and accept this type of QB as the future. An 8 yard run on 3rd and 6 is just as good as an 8 yard pass into tight coverage.

But then I see Lamar crap the bed in the playoffs. Again. And I'm right back where I've always been, preferring a pocket QB

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[quote=Darrell Green Fan;1359517]I will admit to a bias. These super mobile QBs have been around since Randall Cunningham, over the last decade we've seen a ton of them and some on good teams. But only one (Hurts) even made it to the Super Bowl.

As I watched the first quarter of the Ravens/Chiefs I told myself I have to get with the times and accept this type of QB as the future. An 8 yard run on 3rd and 6 is just as good as an 8 yard pass into tight coverage.

But then I see Lamar crap the bed in the playoffs. Again. And I'm right back where I've always been, preferring a pocket QB[/quote]

Not sure I agree with your assessment. There have been a few mobile QB's in the Super Bowl era that have taken or even won a Super bowl, not many I agree but a few.

Tarkington

Staubach

Young

Elway , all were at their time considerd running / moble QB's then there was a newer version...........

Kaepernick

Newton
maybe even.

R. Wilson

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Had a dream last night we drafted JD

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[quote=Chico23231;1359520]Had a dream last night we drafted JD[/quote]

Fantastic dream. I like your dedication to getting Daniels.

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[quote=Darrell Green Fan;1359517]I will admit to a bias. These super mobile QBs have been around since Randall Cunningham, over the last decade we've seen a ton of them and some on good teams. But only one (Hurts) even made it to the Super Bowl.

As I watched the first quarter of the Ravens/Chiefs I told myself I have to get with the times and accept this type of QB as the future. An 8 yard run on 3rd and 6 is just as good as an 8 yard pass into tight coverage.

But then I see Lamar crap the bed in the playoffs. Again. And I'm right back where I've always been, preferring a pocket QB[/quote]

So I guess Patrick Mahomes is a "pocket" quarterback?

I think what we're seeing is a new "post Brady" model of an elite quarterback. One that can drop the dime, with touch when necessary, but is able to consistently make plays in AND out of the pocket. I think excellent mobility has come to be a expected trait of today's top tier quarterbacks. That's in addition to all the other qualities, mental and physical, you expect to see, of course.

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Had a dream last night we drafted JD

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;1359522]So I guess Patrick Mahomes is a "pocket" quarterback?

I think what we're seeing is a new "post Brady" model of an elite quarterback. One that can drop the dime, with touch when necessary, but is able to consistently make plays in AND out of the pocket. I think excellent mobility has come to be a expected trait of today's top tier quarterbacks. That's in addition to all the other qualities, mental and physical, you expect to see, of course.[/quote]

There's a difference between mobile and running QB's. A mobile QB can run adequately or even very well, when the situation demands. But they are still primarily pocket passers. They win primarily with air yards not ground yards. Running QB's are defendable. Just look at what KC did to Jackson as evidence.

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[quote=Giantone;1359518]Not sure I agree with your assessment. There have been a few mobile QB's in the Super Bowl era that have taken or even won a Super bowl, not many I agree but a few.

Tarkington

Staubach

Young

Elway , all were at their time considerd running / moble QB's then there was a newer version...........

Kaepernick

Newton
maybe even.

R. Wilson[/quote]

Thanks for the correction, I meant to go with win a SB but when I changed it to appearances I omitted Cam and Kap. Wilson should be on the list as well. I am not considering Elway, Young Staubach etc because they were pass first QBs who had the ability to run but didn't do it that often.

So we are still left with Wilson as the only super mobile QB who has won a title.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;1359522]So I guess Patrick Mahomes is a "pocket" quarterback?

I think what we're seeing is a new "post Brady" model of an elite quarterback. One that can drop the dime, with touch when necessary, but is able to consistently make plays in AND out of the pocket. I think excellent mobility has come to be a expected trait of today's top tier quarterbacks. That's in addition to all the other qualities, mental and physical, you expect to see, of course.[/quote]

Yes. He does most of his damage from the pocket or creating off script. I don't consider him in the same group with Lamar, Kyler etc. who rely on their running more than Mahomes.

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The best qb's watch so much film that they're rarely surprised by a coverage they see pre-snap. It's one thing to have the physical attributes that a Drake Maye or a Jayden Daniels has, what is going to determine their success is how bad they want it. If they want it bad enough they'll live religiously in the film room until they can identify 90% of what a defense is going to do. That's what this coaching staff has to figure out - which prospect is going to put in the work to be great. Tons of guys who had the athleticism to be great but never put in the work watching tape.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1359533]The best qb's watch so much film that they're rarely surprised by a coverage they see pre-snap. It's one thing to have the physical attributes that a Drake Maye or a Jayden Daniels has, what is going to determine their success is how bad they want it. If they want it bad enough they'll live religiously in the film room until they can identify 90% of what a defense is going to do. That's what this coaching staff has to figure out - which prospect is going to put in the work to be great. Tons of guys who had the athleticism to be great but never put in the work watching tape.[/QUOTE]Your comment made me wonder if now that they get paid in college the ones that don't really want it as bad will be easier to identify. In other words how did a player react after his first big check. Maybe the transition to the NFL and really big paydays won't be quite as drastic.

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