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[quote=dmek25;277161]bill clinton knew what the definition of politics was. sometimes you have to swallow some losses in one place to accomplish something later on down the road. and saying bin laden was offered to clinton is great hindsight. and maybe regan should have took better care of who he sold illegal arms to? with clinton in office, the middle east was about as stable as its probably ever going to be. and this president seems to think strongarming our opposition will get them to lay down and obey. i guess he is starting to see otherwise.[/quote]

It's interesting you say that about Clinton. I think some still see him as a political force.

If Hillary wins, some have suggested Bill would make a good Secretary of State in her cabinet.

I definitely think he would have handled the Iraq situation differently.

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I don't have a running mate...you want in?

AWNB and 12thMan..better Redskins today, A better America tomorrow!!!!

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[quote=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;277165]I don't have a running mate...you want in?

AWNB and 12thMan..better Redskins today, A better America tomorrow!!!![/quote]

I'm starting to like you AWNB...this idea is growing on me.

Oh, and..please, call me 12th. :)

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[quote=12thMan;277157]That's a good start, no doubt. But big business is tightly knitted with politics and vice versa, so I honestly don't see that happening in our generation.

It could, but unlikely.[/quote]I think most people would agree with that and I'm not sure that big business has stood in the way as one said. I think the problem is that we have purchased gas so cheap for so long there was no demand or alternative fuels at a higher cost. The cars are more expensive and the fuel is more expensive which one is the consumer going to buy?

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[quote=dmek25;277161]bill clinton knew what the definition of politics was. sometimes you have to swallow some losses in one place to accomplish something later on down the road. and saying bin laden was offered to clinton is great hindsight. and maybe regan should have took better care of who he sold illegal arms to? with clinton in office, the middle east was about as stable as its probably ever going to be. and this president seems to think strongarming our opposition will get them to lay down and obey. i guess he is starting to see otherwise.[/quote]How is the offering of Bin Ladin hine site he was a known leader of the terrorist world who said he would kill us?

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[quote=dmek25;277161]bill clinton knew what the definition of politics was. sometimes you have to swallow some losses in one place to accomplish something later on down the road. and saying bin laden was offered to clinton is great hindsight. and maybe regan should have took better care of who he sold illegal arms to? with clinton in office, the middle east was about as stable as its probably ever going to be. and this president seems to think strongarming our opposition will get them to lay down and obey. i guess he is starting to see otherwise.[/quote]

Youve got to be kidding me right? because he chose to ignore the situation during his tenure and the media never portrayed it by no means made the middle east stable. After failing to deal with the actions of Bush sr. Iraq was hung out to dry by the clinton administration. The guy was a good politician he just chose not to intervene in pretty much anything whatsoever, IE rwanda... People hate us just because we are a world power, everyone wants it both ways, to use rwanda as example, everyone got pissed at us that we didnt go in, however had we decided to go in and intervene everyone wouldve been telling us to stick to our own business, theres going to be naysayers for whatever argument there is and thats a fact. You can look at all of this in history too, funny how it repeats itself, if we have a policy of neutrality and isolationism people think we need to get involved, IE WW1, but if we have a policy of intervention and playing "world police" people hate us too, IE, vietnam (just an example dont ream me for that). Everyone has 20/20 hindsight, the hard part is trying to estimate the future. Im not bashing clinton or any administration im simply trying to get across the point that you can never make everyone happy.

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[quote=Hail2theskins;277171]Youve got to be kidding me right? because he chose to ignore the situation during his tenure and the media never portrayed it by no means made the middle east stable. After failing to deal with the actions of Bush sr. Iraq was hung out to dry by the clinton administration. The guy was a good politician he just chose not to intervene in pretty much anything whatsoever, IE rwanda... People hate us just because we are a world power, everyone wants it both ways, to use rwanda as example, everyone got pissed at us that we didnt go in, however had we decided to go in and intervene everyone wouldve been telling us to stick to our own business, theres going to be naysayers for whatever argument there is and thats a fact. You can look at all of this in history too, funny how it repeats itself, if we have a policy of neutrality and isolationism people think we need to get involved, IE WW1, but if we have a policy of intervention and playing "world police" people hate us too, IE, vietnam (just an example dont ream me for that). Everyone has 20/20 hindsight, the hard part is trying to estimate the future. Im not bashing clinton or any administration im simply trying to get across the point that you can never make everyone happy.[/quote]
I remember he intervened but I can't remember where. The movie was made Black Hawk Down.

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[quote=firstdown;277168]How is the offering of Bin Ladin hine site he was a known leader of the terrorist world who said he would kill us?[/quote]
wasn't bin laden part of al quaeda that the united states armed to try and take out Afghanistan? i wonder who was president then?

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[quote=firstdown;277184]I remember he intervened but I can't remember where. The movie was made Black Hawk Down.[/quote]
somalia. he tried to straighten out a mess that was very similar to iraq. he knew that those people didnt want the help. they were bred to kill. we packed up and left. probably the best solution for iraq, too

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and i think the main reason that the world hates us is because we are that naive to think that we can force our lifestyle on anyone we so choose. to me, unless a direct cry for help comes from any country, we take care of those that WANT our help

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[QUOTE=dmek25;277189]and i think the main reason that the world hates us is because we are that naive to think that we can force our lifestyle on anyone we so choose. to me, unless a direct cry for help comes from any country, we take care of those that WANT our help[/QUOTE]

The world hates us (and oftentimes loves) us for a lot of reasons, depending on who you ask. Some hate us because of our foriegn policy, others for our social attitudes and domestic politics (which many in the West view as overly conservative and many in the Middle East view as overly permissive), and others hate us because we are the world's sole superpower and are therefore to blame for everything that goes wrong in the world (see the speeches of every nutjob foreign dictator who uses as a scapegoat for everything).

As for forcing our lifestyle on others......we've done it before and it's worked (e.g., Germany, Japan, South Korea, Haiti, Bosnia) and we've also done it before when it failed (e.g., Vietnam, Somalia, and now Iraq). I don't believe the cry that you can NEVER force democracy on others.

I also believe very strongly that people do in fact (usually) yearn for democracy. When society is embroiled in chaos, people want order and dictators or ayatollahs and their militias can provide that. When society is not suffering from internal military conflict, they want democracy. It doesn't matter what you race or country's history is, everyone wants democracy after the guns have quieted.

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When does football start again??????

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[QUOTE=jbcjr14;277207]When does football start again??????[/QUOTE]

Seriously. As much as I love anything related to history or politics, it sucks having to talk about Iraq as opposed to the Cover 2 etc.

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[quote=dmek25;277188]somalia. he tried to straighten out a mess that was very similar to iraq. he knew that those people didnt want the help. they were bred to kill. we packed up and left. probably the best solution for iraq, too[/quote]
I'd say Somalia was more like Afghanastan. Afghanastan was taken over by Al Queda and Somalia was taken over by drug dealers.

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probably the bottom line is that neither wanted our help