Re: Favre seeks release from Packers (updated)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;456472]Looking at Packers message boards, it's really interesting how many Packers fans (nearly all) are siding with Favre and not Ted Thompson. Makes you wonder how rabid Packers fans for the past two decades really have been. Have they just been rooting for Favre all this time?[/quote]

What? You don't think any loyal fan base would be the same as Packers right now? I know we don't have any long term Skin future HOF'ers on the team now but we all wanted to let Darrell Green play as long as [B][U][I][SIZE=3]he[/SIZE][/I][/U][/B] wanted. Nickel, dime, punt return, didn't matter. An NFL MVP and SB winning QB gets even more loyalty than a CB.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;456485]I guess I just don't get what it would be speeding up. I mean you even say it's not a Super Bowl run. It doesn't speed anything up if he (Favre) just leaves after one non-Super Bowl year with the Redskins.[/QUOTE]

But sure as hell will speed the O up from three years too just one. I mean again if Zorn felt comfortable with the passing than why did he say" where gonna run the ball alot *in meaning 70% of the time*. And its no harm there when you have CP back at his best with the scheme he did similar to Broncos.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets;456488]I'd stay down on this one, if I were you. It just doesn't make sense.[/QUOTE]
It would make sense to know an QB has the most pressure on the team to do something instead of just learning one year under the guy he looks up too( as well as Mcnair).


To be honest would you want to start in an new offense and know if you mist up bad this year could mean alot?. Not to mention more pressure after and having an un-questionable QB drafted to maybe end up taking your spot?.

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sorry, smoot, but in one day you've done enough to land on my ignore list... that's really quite a feat. I'd argue your points, but... well, it'd be pointless.

Re: Favre seeks release from Packers (updated)
 

[QUOTE=That Guy;456516]sorry, smoot, but in one day you've done enough to land on my ignore list... that's really quite a feat. I'd argue your points, but... well, it'd be pointless.[/QUOTE]

I'm hurt...oh, wait

Re: Favre seeks release from Packers (updated)
 

[quote=smoot27;456508]It would make sense to know an QB has the most pressure on the team to do something instead of just learning one year under the guy he looks up too( as well as Mcnair).


To be honest would you want to start in an new offense and know if you mist up bad this year could mean alot?. Not to mention more pressure after and having an un-questionable QB drafted to maybe end up taking your spot?.[/quote]
Seriously - I don't mean this to be rude or to be a jerk. But, you've entrenched yourself in an indefensible position, and it's time to let it go.

I understand what you are trying to say ("Favre knows the WCO better than JC, so Favre is a better short term solution"), but the latter simply does not follow the former. Favre does know the general principles of the WCO better than JC, but he doesn't know Zorn's implementation of it, he doesn't know the personnel in DC, and he has a history of being a gunslinger and a non-existent tutor for younger QBs.

Bringing Favre in here simply delays JC by a year, undercuts his believe in management's confidence in him, and puts us back into the 2000-2004 mindset of quick fixes. It's just a flat-out bad idea.

Re: Favre seeks release from Packers (updated)
 

Just watched Fox News w/ Greta...
Packers look stupid. Sure Bret flip flopped, but doesn't look like that's what it's about.

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I honestly don't know what to think about Favre. I was "sure" he was going to stay retired, clearly I was wrong there...I can see it from both perspectives. I can see how the packers moved on, and want / need to start the Rogers era, but I can also understand the need for Favre to play one more year since he did so well last year. My biggest problem is that he teared up and called it a career. I was sad and happy for him at the same time. But he basically promised he was leaving. I am just not sure he should take that back, nor am I sure that the Packers should release him. He really put the packers in a sticky situation.
For as opinionated as I usually am, I just don't know.

Re: Favre seeks release from Packers (updated)
 

Can't blame the Pack for moving on when he retired, but in my opinion you gotta take Favre back. He's honestly gives them the best chance to win the Superbowl. Bring back #04!

Re: Favre seeks release from Packers (updated)
 

I hate to say it, but if Gibbs were still around, I'd be concern about the Redskins trying to get Favre. In reality though, the team is stable at this point, and it would be extremely stupid for them to get someone like Favre. Honestly, only teams that truly don't have a QB (Vikes, Jets, Atlanta, Minny, Bears, etc.) should be looking at Favre. My gut tells me though that he might end up either in Minny or Chicago. Oh and cheeseheads will riot.

Re: Favre seeks release from Packers (updated)
 

[QUOTE=onlydarksets;456540]

Bringing Favre in here simply delays JC by a year, undercuts his believe in management's confidence in him, and puts us back into the 2000-2004 mindset of quick fixes. It's just a flat-out bad idea.[/QUOTE]

About the Skins picking up Favre, the above post says it all.

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I have never been a big fan of Favre's off-season wishy washiness, but in this case I think the Pack have to man up and either release him or make him the starter. It has really bothered me to hear them make patronizing comments about him retiring for the right reasons, as if their aversion to him coming back is about protecting his legacy. This is and has only been about them not wanting to be in a difficult position. Well too bad. Here you are.

I can see why they think it is in the best interest of the franchise to move forward with Rogers. Favre seems to see that too. That's fine. But then release the guy.

I think what is really at stake here is a fear that, should Rogers bomb and Favre excel this next season, jobs could be lost. Tough beans. Part of being a GM is making these kinds of decisions and dealing with the consequences.

It's not an enviable position to be in but these are the cards that have been dealt, so make a decision and stick with it. The more time goes by with Thompson and company acting like knock-kneed prevaricators, the worse they look.

Re: Favre seeks release from Packers (updated)
 

My how time clouds memory.

Let's forget Farve and put the magnifying glass on Campbell. It is time for Campbell to put up, get back on the bench or go to another team. He needs sot step up or step out.

Last year, the Redskins should have beat the Packers, but we lost 17-14. Defenses ruled the game.

Re stats, Campbell outplayed Farve.

Washington Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int
J. Campbell 21 37 217 56.8 5.9 3 7 1 1
Green Bay Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int
B. Favre 19 37 188 51.4 5.1 2 19 0 2

Look at the play by play in the fourth quarter. Both Campbell and Farve were poor, with ZERO points scored by either team and the Redskins losing by three. If you remember the game, it was bad offense and bad play calling in the fourth quarter for the Skins. Take a look if you can stomach the memory.

4th Quarter
Green Bay continued
2nd-9, GB11 15:00 D. Wynn rushed to the left for 3 yard gain
3rd-6, GB14 14:19 B. Favre incomplete pass to the right
4th-6, GB14 14:03 J. Ryan punt. A. Randle El returned punt for 4 yards. WAS committed 10 yard penalty
Washington - 14:03
1st-10, WAS27 14:03 C. Portis rushed to the right for 1 yard gain
2nd-9, WAS28 13:28 C. Portis rushed to the left for 8 yard gain
3rd-1, WAS36 12:47 C. Portis rushed to the left for no gain
4th-1, WAS36 11:53 D. Frost punt. C. Woodson returned punt for no gain
Green Bay - 11:53
1st-10, GB24 11:53 B. Favre incomplete pass to the left
2nd-10, GB24 11:47 WAS committed 13 yard penalty
1st-10, GB37 11:42 B. Favre passed to D. Driver to the right for 8 yard gain. D. Driver fumbled. K. Hall recovered fumble
2nd-2, GB45 11:07 B. Favre incomplete pass to the left
3rd-2, GB45 11:04 B. Favre incomplete pass to the left
4th-2, GB45 10:50 J. Ryan punt, no return
Washington - 10:42
1st-10, WAS13 10:42 C. Portis rushed to the left for 3 yard loss. C. Portis fumbled. A. Hawk recovered fumble
Green Bay - 10:42
1st-9, WAS9 10:42 D. Wynn rushed to the left for 1 yard gain
2nd-8, WAS8 10:06 B. Favre incomplete pass to the right
3rd-8, WAS8 10:00 B. Favre sacked by C. Wilson
4th-20, WAS20 9:32 M. Crosby missed a 38-yard field goal
Washington - 9:32
1st-10, WAS28 9:32 J. Campbell passed to K. McCardell to the left for 9 yard gain
2nd-1, WAS37 8:56 C. Portis rushed to the right for 1 yard gain
1st-10, WAS38 8:15 J. Campbell passed to K. McCardell down the middle for 21 yard gain
1st-10, GB41 7:40 C. Portis rushed to the left for 4 yard gain
2nd-6, GB37 7:03 J. Campbell incomplete pass to the right
3rd-6, GB37 6:57 J. Campbell passed to C. Cooley to the right for 4 yard gain
4th-2, GB33 6:43 J. Campbell passed to L. Betts to the right for no gain
Green Bay - 6:43
1st-10, GB33 6:43 D. Wynn rushed to the left for 5 yard gain
2nd-5, GB38 6:02 D. Wynn rushed to the right for 6 yard gain
1st-10, GB44 5:17 V. Morency rushed to the right for 2 yard gain
2nd-8, GB46 4:14 R. McIntosh intercepted B. Favre for 4 yard loss
Washington - 4:14
1st-10, WAS14 4:14 J. Campbell rushed up the middle for no gain. J. Campbell fumbled. J. Campbell recovered fumble
2nd-15, WAS24 3:54 J. Campbell passed to C. Portis to the right for 4 yard loss
3rd-19, WAS20 3:16 J. Campbell sacked by A. Kampman
4th-22, WAS17 2:44 D. Frost punt. J. Bush returned punt for no gain. J. Bush fumbled. C. Woodson recovered fumble
Green Bay - 2:44
1st-10, GB42 2:44 D. Wynn rushed to the right for 2 yard loss
2nd-12, GB40 2:00 D. Wynn rushed to the left for 5 yard gain
3rd-7, GB45 1:51 D. Wynn rushed to the right for no gain
4th-7, GB45 1:13 J. Ryan punt, touchback
Washington - 1:13
1st-10, WAS20 1:13 J. Campbell incomplete pass to the left
2nd-10, WAS20 1:08 J. Campbell sacked by A. Kampman
3rd-12, WAS18 0:38 WAS committed 5 yard penalty
3rd-17, WAS13 0:25 J. Campbell incomplete pass to the right
4th-17, WAS13 0:10 J. Campbell passed to L. Betts to the right for 11 yard gain
Green Bay - 0:10
1st-10, WAS24 0:10 B. Favre rushed up the middle for 1 yard loss

I'm a season ticket holder for both the Redskins and the University of Hawaii. I saw first hand Brennan win games that UH shouldn't have won. I'm waiting for Campbell to do the same for the Skins. If Campbell just plays an average game, we'll be an average game at best. I want to score more points and win. You guys can kick Brennan all you want, but when he does make it, I presume you will apologize publicly.

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[QUOTE=KokoMike;456832]

I'm a season ticket holder for both the Redskins and the University of Hawaii. I saw first hand Brennan win games that UH shouldn't have won. I'm waiting for Campbell to do the same for the Skins. If Campbell just plays an average game, we'll be an average game at best. I want to score more points and win. You guys can kick Brennan all you want, but when he does make it, I presume you will apologize publicly.[/QUOTE]

How are you a season ticket holder for BOTH?

ps- I am a huge brennan fan, but this thread is not about him. mahalo.

Re: Favre seeks release from Packers (updated)
 

[quote=KokoMike;456832]My how time clouds memory.

Let's forget Farve and put the magnifying glass on Campbell. It is time for Campbell to put up, get back on the bench or go to another team. He needs sot step up or step out.

Last year, the Redskins should have beat the Packers, but we lost 17-14. Defenses ruled the game.

Re stats, Campbell outplayed Farve.

Washington Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int
J. Campbell 21 37 217 56.8 5.9 3 7 1 1
Green Bay Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int
B. Favre 19 37 188 51.4 5.1 2 19 0 2

Look at the play by play in the fourth quarter. Both Campbell and Farve were poor, with ZERO points scored by either team and the Redskins losing by three. If you remember the game, it was bad offense and bad play calling in the fourth quarter for the Skins. Take a look if you can stomach the memory.

4th Quarter
Green Bay continued
2nd-9, GB11 15:00 D. Wynn rushed to the left for 3 yard gain
3rd-6, GB14 14:19 B. Favre incomplete pass to the right
4th-6, GB14 14:03 J. Ryan punt. A. Randle El returned punt for 4 yards. WAS committed 10 yard penalty
Washington - 14:03
1st-10, WAS27 14:03 C. Portis rushed to the right for 1 yard gain
2nd-9, WAS28 13:28 C. Portis rushed to the left for 8 yard gain
3rd-1, WAS36 12:47 C. Portis rushed to the left for no gain
4th-1, WAS36 11:53 D. Frost punt. C. Woodson returned punt for no gain
Green Bay - 11:53
1st-10, GB24 11:53 B. Favre incomplete pass to the left
2nd-10, GB24 11:47 WAS committed 13 yard penalty
1st-10, GB37 11:42 B. Favre passed to D. Driver to the right for 8 yard gain. D. Driver fumbled. K. Hall recovered fumble
2nd-2, GB45 11:07 B. Favre incomplete pass to the left
3rd-2, GB45 11:04 B. Favre incomplete pass to the left
4th-2, GB45 10:50 J. Ryan punt, no return
Washington - 10:42
1st-10, WAS13 10:42 C. Portis rushed to the left for 3 yard loss. C. Portis fumbled. A. Hawk recovered fumble
Green Bay - 10:42
1st-9, WAS9 10:42 D. Wynn rushed to the left for 1 yard gain
2nd-8, WAS8 10:06 B. Favre incomplete pass to the right
3rd-8, WAS8 10:00 B. Favre sacked by C. Wilson
4th-20, WAS20 9:32 M. Crosby missed a 38-yard field goal
Washington - 9:32
1st-10, WAS28 9:32 J. Campbell passed to K. McCardell to the left for 9 yard gain
2nd-1, WAS37 8:56 C. Portis rushed to the right for 1 yard gain
1st-10, WAS38 8:15 J. Campbell passed to K. McCardell down the middle for 21 yard gain
1st-10, GB41 7:40 C. Portis rushed to the left for 4 yard gain
2nd-6, GB37 7:03 J. Campbell incomplete pass to the right
3rd-6, GB37 6:57 J. Campbell passed to C. Cooley to the right for 4 yard gain
4th-2, GB33 6:43 J. Campbell passed to L. Betts to the right for no gain
Green Bay - 6:43
1st-10, GB33 6:43 D. Wynn rushed to the left for 5 yard gain
2nd-5, GB38 6:02 D. Wynn rushed to the right for 6 yard gain
1st-10, GB44 5:17 V. Morency rushed to the right for 2 yard gain
2nd-8, GB46 4:14 R. McIntosh intercepted B. Favre for 4 yard loss
Washington - 4:14
1st-10, WAS14 4:14 J. Campbell rushed up the middle for no gain. J. Campbell fumbled. J. Campbell recovered fumble
2nd-15, WAS24 3:54 J. Campbell passed to C. Portis to the right for 4 yard loss
3rd-19, WAS20 3:16 J. Campbell sacked by A. Kampman
4th-22, WAS17 2:44 D. Frost punt. J. Bush returned punt for no gain. J. Bush fumbled. C. Woodson recovered fumble
Green Bay - 2:44
1st-10, GB42 2:44 D. Wynn rushed to the right for 2 yard loss
2nd-12, GB40 2:00 D. Wynn rushed to the left for 5 yard gain
3rd-7, GB45 1:51 D. Wynn rushed to the right for no gain
4th-7, GB45 1:13 J. Ryan punt, touchback
Washington - 1:13
1st-10, WAS20 1:13 J. Campbell incomplete pass to the left
2nd-10, WAS20 1:08 J. Campbell sacked by A. Kampman
3rd-12, WAS18 0:38 WAS committed 5 yard penalty
3rd-17, WAS13 0:25 J. Campbell incomplete pass to the right
4th-17, WAS13 0:10 J. Campbell passed to L. Betts to the right for 11 yard gain
Green Bay - 0:10
1st-10, WAS24 0:10 B. Favre rushed up the middle for 1 yard loss

I'm a season ticket holder for both the Redskins and the University of Hawaii. I saw first hand Brennan win games that UH shouldn't have won. I'm waiting for Campbell to do the same for the Skins. If Campbell just plays an average game, we'll be an average game at best. I want to score more points and win. You guys can kick Brennan all you want, but when he does make it, I presume you will apologize publicly.[/quote]

The wr's really let JC down that game. Moss was awful.