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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;506774]I can't quite grasp why so many fellow Redskins fans are convinced that Colt Brennan is the second coming of Jesus Christ. 31 teams passed on him through nearly 6 rounds of the draft, he played poorly in 2 of 4 preseason games against 3rd stringers, he got his butt handed to him against Georgia in his one big bowl appearance, he looked awful in Senior Bowl practices, he is a convicted felon, and he hasn't taken a single snap in a regular season game. Yet this is the guy that so many people are convinced is a better option than a guy who has a 88 QB rating through 12 games while playing behind a suspect WR corps and a line that could stop a bullrushing Judge Judy? Am I missing something? Is Colt giving out free BJs in D.C.?

He might be a fine QB one day, but I have seen NOTHING to make me think this guy deserves to start a regular season game.[/quote]
Being a 6th round pick means nothing.....And I have seen nothing to make me think Campbell is the franchise QB everyone makes him out to be. Ask yourself this......Without Portis this year, would Campbell have close to that rating? Less we forget Sean Taylor had legal issues and turned his life around and into a role model.

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I think Campbell is doing a great job and I think Colt is a great QB. I live here in Hawaii and seen many UH games. Its Campbell's team and if the line isn't helping out Campbell, its not going to change for Brennan. Campbell gets big bucks and he should start until he's unable to lift the team to a win. The Redskins are doing really well, check the stats. They just aren't performing to the standards of the die hard fans.

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[quote=charlielyons;506776][B]Being a 6th round pick means nothing[/B].....And I have seen nothing to make me think Campbell is the franchise QB everyone makes him out to be. Ask yourself this......Without Portis this year, would Campbell have close to that rating? Less we forget Sean Taylor had legal issues and turned his life around and into a role model.[/quote]

It's oversimplifying to say it means nothing, it means his draft value simply wasn't that high. Not every QB drafted in the 6th round becomes the next Tom Brady. He was the exception to the rule.

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JC is fighting back a bit, I like this:

[QUOTE]Among fans' most repeated complaints about Campbell are that he does not show enough emotion on the sidelines and that he does not throw enough deep passes. Campbell brushes aside the criticism.

"People are really getting absurd with the stuff they're saying right now," Campbell said. "I'm the quarterback of this team, and I work hard to prepare myself and be a leader. You can't tell anything about how much someone cares about their job, about what's going on, from watching them on TV on the sideline. I'm not going to jump around and run around shouting at guys just to put on a show. That's not me.

"And throwing downfield -- people think I don't want to go downfield? I have a strong arm and I don't want to go downfield? I love to throw the ball downfield, but you just can't throw it downfield when there's nothing there. If you do that, then you're just asking for trouble. So, what, I'm just supposed to throw the ball up in double coverage? Then they're saying, 'Now, he just throws the ball up in double coverage.' It's a no-win situation. You just can't start throwing the ball up blindly and just throwing the ball up for grabs. That's why I'm saying, people are getting absurd." [/QUOTE]

It's true, but absurd is too nice of a word.

link: [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/02/AR2008120203022_2.html?sid=ST2008120203254&s_pos=]Redskins' Campbell: 'I'm Getting All the Blame' for Skid - washingtonpost.com[/url]

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I think there's a bit of a cause for concern right now, but giving up on Campbell is silly. The next two years will decide his fate, in my opinion. Right now he could take a turn towards being a very serviceable QB in this league -- or he could take a turn for obscurity. It all has to do with if Zorn feels he's the man or not, and if so -- how Campbell takes advantage of those opportunities.

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Great article and I kinda feel bad for JC. But he has to just deal with it. Imagine what Eli went through in NY. Maybe he should give him or McNabb a call.

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Another good read on the issue here too:

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/02/AR2008120203021.html?sub=AR"]Shortsightedness Causes Headaches[/URL]

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It's funny, I have yet to hear a columnist, former or current Redskin, league observer, etc. call for Campbell to be benched. It's telling that the only people who are calling for his head are fans.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;506823]It's funny, I have yet to hear a columnist, former or current Redskin, league observer, etc. call for Campbell to be benched. It's telling that the only people who are calling for his head are fans.[/quote]

Yep, as usual the fans are irate, irrational, and completely out of their minds. What else is new.

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[quote=Mattyk72;506806]JC is fighting back a bit, I like this:



It's true, but absurd is too nice of a word.

link: [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/02/AR2008120203022_2.html?sid=ST2008120203254&s_pos=]Redskins' Campbell: 'I'm Getting All the Blame' for Skid - washingtonpost.com[/url][/quote]

Why haven't we been using him to his talents?
Roll outs, after 3 seconds tuck and run and not just a run every 3 games.

Didn't we implement shotgun like 3 weeks into the season??

I've seen Zorn make Shitty play calls here and there but those happened in the games we lost. And in those games we lost it was FIRST, attributed only after JC made horrible decisions and the WR's dropping easy 1st down completions always on 3rd down plays.

I know he is being told to be a pocket passer from Zorn but that wasnt really even Zorn's playing style, furthermore, Zorn is just on the sideline sometimes JC has to be in control just as he is trusted to call audibles.

I'm just disgusted late in the season and the only way we score is on a trick play b/c every team is counting on us to run the ball we score a TD only b/c they overpursed a stretch play when it was really a reverse.

This can't be exceptable. And I hope we dump ARE in the offseason b/c special teams COULD have swung momentum in our favor.

If anyone thinks they are knowledgeable tell me what is the effectiveness of a "West Coast" if we sit in the pocket for 3-5 seconds and aren't moving in and out of the pocket with the flow of the play??????

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I'm so f'ing sick of references to the WCO. Not picking a fight w/ anyone or pointing any fingers, just saying the f'ing concept has turned into the cliche from hell IMHO. And particularly in regard to our offense it seems like a misnomer. The offense looks very similar to years past [B]in terms of what is successful[/B]: when CP is ballin' we're hot, the passing game is at its best when Randle El sneaks in behind the LBs but in front of the safety for a medium range gain while Moss can break loose from double coverage. Some of the personnel has changed as last year we had Caldwell and father time catching more passes than Thomas/Kelly have, but ultimately the offense looks very similar to me. Am I missing something here?

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[quote=The Goat;506826]I'm so f'ing sick of references to the WCO. Not picking a fight w/ anyone or pointing any fingers, just saying the f'ing concept has turned into the cliche from hell IMHO. And particularly in regard to our offense it seems like a misnomer. The offense looks very similar to years past [B]in terms of what is successful[/B]: when CP is ballin' we're hot, the passing game is at its best when Randle El sneaks in behind the LBs but in front of the safety for a medium range gain while Moss can break loose from double coverage. Some of the personnel has changed as last year we had Caldwell and father time catching more passes than Thomas/Kelly have, but ultimately the offense looks very similar to me. Am I missing something here?[/quote]


Your right dude, I only refer to the WCO to put it under the microscope. I can't identify it myself. It seems inexperience and lack of personal are preventing it from truly taking form.

But I think thats why Bugel was left to keep the run game going, its not broke.
So its that much more to bang our heads about to ask why can't the Pass game stop being so terrible?? Why is it so hard to create from one year to the next. And if that was the only real work implemented and this is our fruits of labor than, bleep bleep bleep bleep these Skins once again rip my heart out and leave a terrible taste for another 9 months of waiting.

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[quote=Mattyk72;506806]JC is fighting back a bit, I like this:



It's true, but absurd is too nice of a word.

link: [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/02/AR2008120203022_2.html?sid=ST2008120203254&s_pos="]Redskins' Campbell: 'I'm Getting All the Blame' for Skid - washingtonpost.com[/URL][/quote]


Let's see if it is absurd in Dec 09' and we are having the exact same debate if JC should be resigned. If all is well next season or if the Skins turn it around somehow to save this season then the JC issue will be muted, but if we get the same junky play from the offense the rest of the way and even through '09 JC is going to be toast. Snyder is not going to resign a guy for average to poor play for another 2-4 years. The excuses given for the crappy offensive production(especially points) is laughable in that we have always faced a depleted O line at many junctures in the last 10+ seasons, WR's with bad cases of the dropsies(Westbrook, Gardner come to mind), and banged up RB's( Allen, Davis, and now Portis). In short any QB shown the door in the post Gibbs I era faced the same garbage that JC has. The problem with the offense comes down to the players not acclamating or really going for Zorn's system or it is the guy in charge of executing the system on the field. Zorn needs to tweak the system to enhance the "weapons" at his disposal, but he also needs a guy that can execute it and win. The big W is the bottom line. Gus ran Norv's system fine, but couldn't get that many wins. Same thing with Johnson and Banks, but they couldn't win. Ramsey was just abused period and thrown to the wolves with Spurrier. Bottom line to me is Zorn's system doesn't seem to be all that complicated, and should be a helluva lot easier to get down than Saunders 700+ page monstrosity. Then again the WCO is sort of passe and probably not that hard for figuring out, so we do have a dilemna on our hands now don't we? There isn't a QB controversy yet, but if we do miss the wildcard you have to be a fool to think that the FO might start having some doubts start to creep in. And if '09 is a bust, it is going to be a lot easier to part ways with a QB on his last year of his contract than a coach and his system or more accurately bring in almost all new offensive personnel.

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[quote=The Goat;506826]I'm so f'ing sick of references to the WCO. Not picking a fight w/ anyone or pointing any fingers, just saying the f'ing concept has turned into the cliche from hell IMHO. And particularly in regard to our offense it seems like a misnomer. The offense looks very similar to years past [B]in terms of what is successful[/B]: when CP is ballin' we're hot, the passing game is at its best when Randle El sneaks in behind the LBs but in front of the safety for a medium range gain while Moss can break loose from double coverage. Some of the personnel has changed as last year we had Caldwell and father time catching more passes than Thomas/Kelly have, but ultimately the offense looks very similar to me. Am I missing something here?[/quote]

Great point. I think Zorn is taking his lumps now after a quick start (built on the back of Clinton Portis). We are seeing the impact of having a first time head coach and first time play caller with an inexperienced offensive coordinator. We'll see how experienced assistants can help a rookie head coach when we see Cam "Cam" Cameron this week in Baltimore. That team is doing much more on offense with less talent than the Redskins. At some point it becomes difficult to believe that it is just poor execution that is hurting the Redskins' offensive production.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;506823]It's funny, I have yet to hear a columnist, former or current Redskin, league observer, etc. call for Campbell to be benched. It's telling that the only people who are calling for his head are fans.[/quote]
campbell gets a media pass, just like Michael Vick, Donavan McNabb....no offense to anyone but black quarterbacks get a pass cause everyone wants to see one be sucessful.