Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

[quote=gaudiomatt;524354]somebody ban this guy[/quote]

Ban yourself.

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

[quote=ChickenMonkey;524568]NEWS UPDATE>>>>>The Lions will mimic the Falcons this year and take LT at #1
and after a trade with Washington at #13 they get thier QB

Lions First round #1 & #13 after trade
Redskins First round #20 & 3rd Round #80[/quote]

People really need to have a nice long look at a draft value chart before posting trades that make no sense. If you move back from 13 to 20 in the first round you get a late second round pick. There have been teams that moved back one and two picks in the first round and recieved a second round pick as compensation. That is all.

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

[quote=gaudiomatt;524354]somebody ban this guy[/quote]

why?

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;523631]Given JLCs blog entry yesterday, it seems the skins are planning to keep our defense in tact (for the most part) and focus on our offense. This makes a certain level of sense, since this is JCs contract year and we need to decide if he is our franchise QB or not - this year, we have to do as much as we can to help him out, so there will be no excuses for poor performance on his part in 2009. In JLCs article, it was indicated that the team needs 2 new starting guards, a new starting RT, an explosive running back to compliment Portis, and a real WR. Evidently, we will also likely be fairly inactive in free agency.

I also am chosing to beleive the rumors that we are interested in acquiring more draft picks, both by trading down in the draft and in trading players for draft picks (Rogers, Moss, Betts, and Monty have all allegedly been dangled). If all that is true, here is my revised proposal/prediction for our 2009 offseason:

[B][U]Noteable Cuts[/U][/B]
1. Jason Taylor
2.Shawn Springs
3. Marcus Washington
4. James Thrash

[B][U]Trade [/U][/B]
1. Rogers for a 2nd round pick (I dont like it, but i think its what the skins are trying to do),
2. Moss for a 3rd and 4th (its been rumored the skins want a 2nd but i dont think theyll get it).

[B][U]Noteable Free Agent Signings [/U][/B]
1. [U]DeAngelo Hall [/U]
2. [U]Channing Crowder [/U]- He's really an ILB, but its been reported Miami is low-balling him on an extension and he wants to test free agency. He's been playing ILB, but I think we move him outside to replace Washington. Ideally, we would sign Dansby, but he's going to be too expensive.
3. [U]Phillip Buchannon [/U]- He's no longer an elite corner but an older guy familiar with our style of defense. We need someone to replace Rogers and he could start alongside Hall for the time being .
4.[U]Amani Toomer[/U]- I think we actively pursue Devery Henderson but he is out of our price range. Toomer wants to stay in the division so he signs with the skins and is penciled in as a starter to replace Moss.
5. [U]Pete Kendall[/U]

[B][U]Draft[/U][/B]
-Skins Trade down in the first round with somone in the 19-21 range and pick up a 2nd round pick. Remember, we have also acquired a 1 pick each in rounds 2, 3 and 4 by trading Moss and Rogers.

1 -[U] Eben Britton, OT, AZ[/U] - (Britton becomes our starting RT. His stock has been rising and falling alot recently, but most mocks have him being available in this range. Another option is OT William Betty, UCONN.

2 - [U]Herman Johnson, G, LSU [/U] Competes to replace either Kendall or Thomas immediately.

2 - [U]Fili Moala, DE/DT, USC [/U] Moala can play inside and outside on the line. We pick him up for his versatility and hope he can work his way to a starting role in the future.

3 - [U]Trevor Canfield, G, Cincy [/U] We drafted a dud with Rinehart last year. Hopefully we get it right this year.

3 - [U]Jonathan Luigs, C, Arkansas[/U] Hopefully, Luigs can replace Rabach in 2010.

4, 5, 6 - I see us drafting atleast one LB here, and possibly a DB and/or RB.[/quote]

I dont think its really a good Idea or its going to happen ,why first we bring these players for draft picks like (Kendel for #5) and JT for #2 and when come up short ,cut them and worry about how to replace our draft picks, so trade our player ( moss roger etc)who are truly only play makers in this team,make really no sence what so ever.Lets say if we trade Moss,you really think that Chambell will progress ,Its our offense that need more and more play makers.Here is what we shoud try to do

1. Cut Taylor (Save $8 mil he is in his final year therefore this is net saving)
2. Re-work cap friendly contract with Griffen,Washington,Spring and Jensn.By cutting them it will worsen our cap situation
3. Re-sign Kendel.Mont, Golston and Hall
4. Draft from what we have in our hand rather these hypothitical choices.
5. With 13 pick draft(OL like Monre, Andre Smith,etc) or trade only if we get 2 nd, and still can address our OL.Make sure dont depart any of our 2010 draft picks
6. Sign F.A Like
a. Suggs OLB/D.E
b. Hoshmanzadeh WR(Bengals)
c. Engram WR(Seatle)
d. May be One OG
Now Plug these players,you will agree we are not in a bad situation.

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[quote=aka_Skins Fan;524591]I dont think its really a good Idea or its going to happen ,why first we bring these players for draft picks like (Kendel for #5) and JT for #2 and when come up short ,cut them and worry about how to replace our draft picks, so trade our player ( moss roger etc)who are truly only play makers in this team,make really no sence what so ever.Lets say if we trade Moss,you really think that Chambell will progress ,Its our offense that need more and more play makers.Here is what we shoud try to do

1. Cut Taylor (Save $8 mil he is in his final year therefore this is net saving)
2. Re-work cap friendly contract with Griffen,Washington,Spring and Jensn.By cutting them it will worsen our cap situation
3. Re-sign Kendel.Mont, Golston and Hall
4. Draft from what we have in our hand rather these hypothitical choices.
5. With 13 pick draft(OL like Monre, Andre Smith,etc) or trade only if we get 2 nd, and still can address our OL.Make sure dont depart any of our 2010 draft picks
6. Sign F.A Like
a. Suggs OLB/D.E
b. Hoshmanzadeh WR(Bengals)
c. Engram WR(Seatle)
d. May be One OG
Now Plug these players,you will agree we are not in a bad situation.[/quote]

This would be nice but seems highly unlikely. Springs will never restructure in a way beneficial for the franchise, which means if we keep him he'll garner around 8 million a season and that is regodamndiculous for an aging player who already struggles w/ durability. Even moving him to FS doesn't make sense for that kind of money IMO. Also it's rumored Marcus wants out and the FO is ok w/ that. Def agree w/ you on Griff and at this point my guess is he's back for sure.

Suggs will likely stay in Baltimore from the sounds of it.

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

[quote=aka_Skins Fan;524591]I dont think its really a good Idea or its going to happen ,why first we bring these players for draft picks like (Kendel for #5) and JT for #2 and when come up short ,cut them and worry about how to replace our draft picks, so trade our player ( moss roger etc)who are truly only play makers in this team,make really no sence what so ever.Lets say if we trade Moss,you really think that Chambell will progress ,Its our offense that need more and more play makers.Here is what we shoud try to do

1. Cut Taylor (Save $8 mil he is in his final year therefore this is net saving)
2. Re-work cap friendly contract with Griffen,Washington,Spring and Jensn.By cutting them it will worsen our cap situation
3. Re-sign Kendel.Mont, Golston and Hall
4. Draft from what we have in our hand rather these hypothitical choices.
5. With 13 pick draft(OL like Monre, Andre Smith,etc) or trade only if we get 2 nd, and still can address our OL.Make sure dont depart any of our 2010 draft picks
6. Sign F.A Like
a. Suggs OLB/D.E
b. Hoshmanzadeh WR(Bengals)
c. Engram WR(Seatle)
d. May be One OG
Now Plug these players,you will agree we are not in a bad situation.[/quote]

Theres no way this team is getting housh and suggs and engram. what type of plan is this. spend more money improving our wrs. the rookies will grow and be more productive this year were fine at wr. we need to rework the interior of our lines which is a RT both G's mainly a new C, a new DT and a new DE. Why are people so rigid on keeping springs. Cut him and Taylor and we have 16 Million of cap space. Keep them and we have two aging players who aren't going to be producing at a level that were paying them for.

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

[quote=wilsowilso;524588]People really need to have a nice long look at a draft value chart before posting trades that make no sense. If you move back from 13 to 20 in the first round you get a late second round pick. There have been teams that moved back one and two picks in the first round and recieved a second round pick as compensation. That is all.[/quote]


Whats with all the whinning..This isnt Junior ALL American guys...
"You gotta know when to hold em., And Know when to hold um kids

1st round #13 =1150 points
1st round #20= 850 points

PLUS

3rd round #65= 265 points

You do the math.....the best youre going to get is an additional 6th worth
25 points.....Thats more than fair as trades go...Plus we are talking about Vinny and Dan come on.......

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

[quote=ChickenMonkey;524607]1st round #13 =1150 points
1st round #20= 850 points

PLUS

3rd round #65= 265 points

You do the math.....the best youre going to get is an additional 6th worth
25 points.....Thats more than fair as trades go...Plus we are talking about Vinny and Dan come on.......[/quote]

I did the math. The problem with this post is that you actually didn't. Somebody mentioned a trade that moved us back seven picks to #20 and netted us the #80 overall pick in the third round. The numbers didn't add up was my point. I said the value would be a late second round pick and the chart says #60 would be equal value. Teams that trade up in the draft usually have to pay greater value than the chart indicates even if they are dealing with an idiot like Vinny so you are looking at giving us a mid to late second round pick if you wanted to move from 20 up to 13 in the first round. Not a mid third rounder at #80 was my original point and not #65 and a 6th rounder which was your value of the pick which was an undervaluation as well.

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

[quote=wilsowilso;524609]I did the math. The problem with this post is that you actually didn't. Somebody mentioned a trade that moved us back seven picks to #20 and netted us the #80 overall pick in the third round. The numbers didn't add up was my point. I said the value would be a late second round pick and the chart says #60 would be equal value. [B]Teams that trade up in the draft usually have to pay greater value than the chart indicates [/B]even if they are dealing with an idiot like Vinny so you are looking at giving us a mid to late second round pick if you wanted to move from 20 up to 13 in the first round. Not a mid third rounder at #80 was my original point and not #65 and a 6th rounder which was your value of the pick which was an undervaluation as well.[/quote]A lot of successful teams do think that the popular chart is outdated, and very much overvalues the higher end picks. Obviously, no one wants those higher end picks, and that's why you don't have any top ten trades anymore.

I can't think of any draft day trade in the last four years in which the team trading up paid a higher premium than the outdated chart suggested. The very last trade that did that I can remember was the Manning-Rivers trade from 2004. Not a single pick in the top five has been dealt since then, so I'm guessing the Jimmy Johnson chart will be totally revised within two years.

Or they will cap the slot payouts and we'll have to come up with an entirely new system for valuing picks altogether.

Bottom line: I don't see any issue with chicken monkey's trade in terms of value for either side. Whether or not it actually makes sense for the Redskins is an entirely separate issue.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;523655]This sounds reasonable. Unlike some of the other posts, it can actually be done. All we need is a little luck and a few fish have to bite. It's still a 10-6 season at best. I think we'll need to keep drafting the lines for a couple of years, with a flash position for need here and there, before we can get up to speed.[/quote]


I love your plan an agree that trading Moss and Rogers is a good idea. However, I would keep the 13th overall pick and draft Maualuga. Special players don't come around often and this guy has all the tools as well as the pedigree and the experience of leading the nations top ranked defense! Other than that, draft the trenches or trade for future picks when the right lineman isn't there.

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[quote=gaudiomatt;524605]Theres no way this team is getting housh and suggs and engram. what type of plan is this. spend more money improving our wrs. the rookies will grow and be more productive this year were fine at wr. we need to rework the interior of our lines which is a RT both G's mainly a new C, a new DT and a new DE. Why are people so rigid on keeping springs. Cut him and Taylor and we have 16 Million of cap space. Keep them and we have two aging players who aren't going to be producing at a level that were paying them for.[/quote]

AMEN BROTHER! PREACH!

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

[quote=gaudiomatt;524605]Theres no way this team is getting housh and suggs and engram. what type of plan is this. spend more money improving our wrs. the rookies will grow and be more productive this year were fine at wr. we need to rework the interior of our lines which is a RT both G's mainly a new C, a new DT and a new DE. Why are people so rigid on keeping springs. Cut him and Taylor and we have 16 Million of cap space. Keep them and we have two aging players who aren't going to be producing at a level that were paying them for.[/quote]

Well,plan is for sure not to create any salary cap situation,but also not to loss Moss and give him help with either Hosh and/or Engram on the other side,get rid of fair catch ARE and Thrash. Now we have Moss,Engram/Hosh,Kelly Thomas.Let the rookies develop, because Iam sure Zorn will not go this season with a possibility of these rookies will play up to a par.And Engram Knows this system and what I heard he will come not too expensive.Also I think it will help J.C develop really fast.As far as Ol ,by taking OT with a 13th pick they will address that. You just cannot adress all the needs in just one drafts.Now we have

Samual- Thomas-Rabach- Kendell- Draft O.T(13th)
Heyer- Reinhart- draft(C) -OG(FA)-Jon jensen-draft(3rd round)

I also said that Cap friendly salary with the above players not at any cost, so I agree if Spring does not bring his salary down so cut him,its fine with me.I also think that Rdskins will Go for Suggs Or Pepper when everything thing says and done.

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Looks like the Skins are not very active yet. The only thing they have done is sign a kicker and a punter.

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

what punter and kicker?

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

[quote=T.O.Killa;524801]Looks like the Skins are not very active yet. The only thing they have done is sign a kicker and a punter.[/quote]

free agency doesn't begin until the 27th I believe, so you won't really see anything important happen until at least then