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[quote=MonkFan4Life;591004]You know what you're right. If everone did their job then they would've won. If everyone did their job then they would've won a lot of games that they should've won easily. It's just that we are asking everyone BUT Jason Campbell to do their job. Because of his efficiencies everone else has to play damn near perfect. When Moss runs a post route Jason throws a fly. When Kelly ran that beautiful route against Pittsburgh he's running across the field and where did Jason throw it ? Straight. But the deep ball is his best right ? When receivers run slants or drags or crossing routes he doesn't throw to them he usually throws behind them. He doesn't beat the DB by throwing the ball to the SPOT that the receiver is going to end up but to the area near where the receiver will be but he has to wait for him to get there, therefore giving a guy time to recover. I'm sorry bro, it's all about the JC. He's been playing in this league for too long to get passes on the rookie mistakes that he still makes. Cry about the O-Line all day but we can see that they really aren't the problem. It's him. Point Blank. This team is missing one thing to put them over the hump and until THAT part of this team is fixed we'll still be a middle of the pack coulda shoulda woulda type team.[/quote]

I would say that it is not all about JC, but it is about this team not having a playmaker. We don't have an offensive player that makes others around him better. That's plain and simple. You can typically get by in this league with an average QB or RB or WR as long as you have a playmaker or two that can change the outcome of the game.

Let's take Minny for example...they've had average/pedestrian QB play, average WRs, but they have a playmaker in Adrian Peterson and their defense. In our team, these would be the candidates to be playmakers: our defense, clinton portis, santana moss, and maybe cooley...unfortunately none of those players/units are considered playmakers.

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They aren't. The thing is that this team has enough talent to win games. A lot of them. The man simply cannot take the burden off of anyone. That's my problem. During the offseason we were told how much more of a handle he had on this offense and it's clear that he doesn't. Earlier in this thread someons said that the audible to the run was a good call and that it was Thomas' fault. Really ? This is what I'm talking about. he makes a mistak and instead of blaming him we have to find someone else to blame. When he threw that pick after he was clearly past the ling of scrimmage we blame Moss for not comming back to the ball. Maybe it's because Jason was one step from the sideline about 3 yards past the line of scrimmage. The camera focused on Jasons face after the Skins broke the huddle up until the ball was snapped. They were in a shotgun and do you want to know how much time Jason took out to scan the defense JUST IN CASE he had to make and adjustment ? Not one second. He all of a sudden can run the offense when the game is over, what happens to the other 3 1/4 quarters of play ? Clinton put up 1,400 or so yards last year but he can't do it all by himself. You QB makes your receivers better than they are, not the other way around. When there are 8 men in the box Mr. Deep Ball should be exploiting that. When team show blitz he doesn't change a thing. EVER. If you play Madden, and yes it's that simple, you adjust to what the defense shows you.

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[quote=GMScud;590270]Ha. I'm a Gator through and through (see my signature), so anything I say will come off as pretty biased. I will say that one Tim Tebow has the intangibles of about a thousand Campbell's.

I'm a Campbell supporter, and I hope he shows this season that he is our solution. If he doesn't however, I would not be opposed to Gruden/Tebow one bit (Gruden has a giant man-crush on him and I bet he'll try to draft him for whatever team he ends up coaching).

Let's face it folks, if Campbell flops so do the Skins, and he and Zorn are both gone. We're an aging team at some pretty important positions. If they both go, we'll be in rebuilding mode for sure. It wouldn't be a bad thing IMO to bring in the best college football player of all team to help us.[/quote]

I agree with everything yo just said . Outside Campbell and giving him a chance the guy is done and Zorn is also.

This team needs fire and a tough coach. Gruden will bring it to Skin's especially in the NFC East.

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[quote=Ruhskins;591008]I would say that it is not all about JC, but it is about this team not having a playmaker. We don't have an offensive player that makes others around him better. That's plain and simple. You can typically get by in this league with an average QB or RB or WR as long as you have a playmaker or two that can change the outcome of the game.

Let's take Minny for example...they've had average/pedestrian QB play, average WRs, but they have a playmaker in Adrian Peterson and their defense. In our team, these would be the candidates to be playmakers: our defense, clinton portis, santana moss, and maybe cooley...unfortunately none of those players/units are considered playmakers. [/quote]

Ok . Why didn't Broncos take Campbell ? They have playmakers great receivers . but picked Orton instead.

Why did Skin's go after Sanchez and Cutler?

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I don't watch much college ball but caught the Miami game and mane that guy they have playing QB was pretty impressive. If I heard right this is his first year starting but he looked prety poised to me.

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[quote=Njall;591035]Ok . Why didn't Broncos take Campbell ? They have playmakers great receivers . but picked Orton instead.[/quote]

I think you are missing the point...my point is that our team needs playmakers if we are to have an average QB. And I was saying that teams can get by with an average QB if they have playmakers at other positions. Campbell is an average QB, but he is supposed to have a playmaker in Portis and in our defensive unit...but none of them are, despite the fact that we are playing Portis and people in our defense as though they are playmakers.

And I think you could have picked a better example than Denver, a team that basically alienated one of their playmakers (Marshall) and ran the other out of town (Cutler)

[quote=Njall;591035]Why did Skin's go after Sanchez and Cutler?[/quote]

The Skins went after Sanchez and Cutler because they want a playmaker QB...but I don't know if there is a team out there that has only one playmaker that can carry the rest of the team (well except Brady in '06).

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Florida QB's are productive college QB's but they seem to falter on the professional level. We've already had our taste of Florida QB's when we had Shane Mathews and Danny Wuerrful. I hate to say it but we could use Michael Vick, I mean, who else is out there?

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No way I'm calling it in, and giving up after one game and going after TEBOW...? I'll give the team and JC a chance..

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[quote=Kalisto2010;591133]Florida QB's are productive college QB's but they seem to falter on the professional level. We've already had our taste of Florida QB's when we had Shane Mathews and Danny Wuerrful. I hate to say it but we could use Michael Vick, I mean, who else is out there?[/quote]

The whole "past QB's from UF didnt do well so that means other wont" arguement is pretty stupid to me. Joe Montana came from ND, does this mean that ND churns out top NFL QB's every few yrs? NO.
I agree that UF hasnt put a great QB in the NFL to this point but it doesnt mean that all future UF QB's are destined to bust in the pros. I like Tebow, i think he is a great player. Im not saying he will come in and be the next Marino but i think he can be a solid player.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;591133]Florida QB's are productive college QB's but they seem to falter on the professional level. We've already had our taste of Florida QB's when we had Shane Mathews and Danny Wuerrful. I hate to say it but we could use Michael Vick, I mean, who else is out there?[/quote]
Vinny Testaverde, Bernie Kosar, Jim Kelly..........etc

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[quote=Kalisto2010;591133]Florida QB's are productive college QB's but they seem to falter on the professional level. We've already had our taste of Florida QB's when we had Shane Mathews and Danny Wuerrful. I hate to say it but we could use Michael Vick, [B]I mean, who else is out there?[/quote][/B



ANYBODY but Vick. Roddy White was on bust status with Vick slinging him the ball. Now he has a real QB throwing him the ball and is one of the best in the division. Thats all we need, Vick stunting the growth of our young wr's.

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Our team has such a small margin for error because were not very good.
We need to build an OL like the Giants.
When we can run against an 8 man front it makes having a productive offense easy.
JC is on the same tier as ELi.
Except that Eli is on a better team.


But, Yes if everything went to shit this season and were forced to look for a QB i would wait and pick up Tebow in that late 1st early 2nd.

He's the only QB i really like from this draft class.

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[quote=Hog1;591139]Vinny Testaverde, Bernie Kosar, Jim Kelly..........etc[/quote]

They came from the U, I'm talking about Gator QB's.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;591138]
I agree that UF hasnt put a great QB in the NFL to this point but it doesnt mean that all future UF QB's are destined to bust in the pros.[/quote]

No, but it does mean everyone who's come out of there so far has under performed in NFL. And based on that assessment I would exercise extreme caution before investing a high draft pick in a Florida QB.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;591141][/B



ANYBODY but Vick. Roddy White was on bust status with Vick slinging him the ball. Now he has a real QB throwing him the ball and is one of the best in the division. Thats all we need, Vick stunting the growth of our young wr's.[/quote]

And now Pro Bowl TE Algee Crumpler is on bust stats now that Vick is gone. Remember when Keenan McCardell was a bust on the Redskins, or when Chris Carter was a bust on the Eagles? Sometimes it takes WR's a few years to develop. And that real QB you speak of Matt Ryan has yet to win a playoff game. Vick on the other hand.