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[quote=hooskins;598905][B]Blaming Campbell is such an easy cop out. The problem is much more complex.[/B] Campbell does well, but man our receivers and Zorn arent really helping him IMO.

Also we have said it quite a bit, but it starts top-down. We all knew the O was gonna be interesting this year based on our draft and pro-scouts.[/quote]

No doubt. It's a narrow minded view, but you can't expect everyone to get it I guess. The easy thing to do is just blame the QB. It's something Redskins fans are pretty good at.

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[quote=Green1;598742]Every thread someone is calling for campbell to be benched but his numbers are great.
1. Rating: 92.5 Higher than Brady, Big Ben, C. Palmer, Cutler, and Rivers
2. 9th in passing yards: More that Rodgers, Ryan, Palmer, E. Manning, & Cutler
3. 5th in the Comp. Percent. 67.6%: Higher than everyone in the league except P. Manning, Brees, Big Ben, and Chad Penn.

So what else does he have to do to be considered a good QB. The Skins have a good QB, just bad playcalling, no running game, and no O-line. Get off campbell's back. He is doing more with less better than anyone in the NFL. Check the stats the STATS don't lie![/quote]

For one thing I have yet to see any post Lion defeat thread have anyone say bench JC, except the one here. Next is that stats don't lie, but we still can't get into the endzone, which is not JC's fault. I was at the game Sunday with some of my friends who are Lions fans. My best friend who is an avid Lion and football fan in general told me that we needed a new QB. I told him to look at the scoreboard stats, it didn't matter to him. You know what, he had a point. Stafford is a rook and showed more poise than JC an guy that has been around for 6 years. What did JC have, 3 or 4 dropped snaps that could have ended up as fumbles? The one he recovered rather nicely, but why did he lose the snaps in the first place? Other times he was like a deer in headlights not sure whether to throw or run or who to throw to. The other intangible is the leadership aspect of being 'the man", and JC is woefully inadequate in this aspect of his role as starter. Shit Gus showed more emotion and tried to rally the team more back during the Norv days than JC has now. Zorn's scheme is the basic problem, but JC, along with a lot of the squad deserves a lot of heat from Sunday's game. THey showed absolutely no fire at all, either sides of the ball. Oh and props to good ole Gus, for he truly did more with less!!!!!

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[quote=Mattyk72;598968]The easy thing to do is just blame the QB. It's something Redskins fans are pretty good at.[/quote]

I dont think its just Redskins fans, its football fans in general. The QB position is the most critical position on the field, and those that play it MUST have thick skin. First one to blame for a loss, first one to praise for a win, it just comes along with the job.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;598975]For one thing I have yet to see any post Lion defeat thread have anyone say bench JC, except the one here. Next is that stats don't lie, but we still can't get into the endzone, which is not JC's fault. I was at the game Sunday with some of my friends who are Lions fans. My best friend who is an avid Lion and football fan in general told me that we needed a new QB. I told him to look at the scoreboard stats, it didn't matter to him. You know what, he is right. Stafford is a rook and showed more poise than JC an guy that has been around for 6 years. What did JC have, 3 or 4 dropped snaps that could have ended up as fumbles? The one he recovered rather nicely, but why did he lose the snaps in the first place? Other times he was like a deer in headlights not sure whether to throw or run or who to throw to. The other intangible is the leadership aspect of being 'the man", and JC is woefully inadequate in this aspect of his role as starter. Shit Gus showed more emotion and tried to rally the team more back during the Norv days than JC has now. Zorn's scheme is the basic problem, but JC, along with a lot of the squad deserves a lot of heat from Sunday's game. THey showed absolutely no fire at all, either sides of the ball. Oh and props to good ole Gus, for he truly did more with less!!!!![/quote]

You crack me up with the Gus mentions. We're talking about a guy who head-butted a cement wall for crying out loud.

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God I miss the early Norv days. I think I am going to get a Frerotte jersey now!!!!!

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[quote=GusFrerotte;598975]For one thing I have yet to see any post Lion defeat thread have anyone say bench JC, except the one here. Next is that stats don't lie, but we still can't get into the endzone, which is not JC's fault. I was at the game Sunday with some of my friends who are Lions fans. My best friend who is an avid Lion and football fan in general told me that we needed a new QB. I told him to look at the scoreboard stats, it didn't matter to him. You know what, he is right. Stafford is a rook and showed more poise than JC an guy that has been around for 6 years. What did JC have, 3 or 4 dropped snaps that could have ended up as fumbles? The one he recovered rather nicely, but why did he lose the snaps in the first place? Other times he was like a deer in headlights not sure whether to throw or run or who to throw to. The other intangible is the leadership aspect of being 'the man", and JC is woefully inadequate in this aspect of his role as starter. Shit Gus showed more emotion and tried to rally the team more back during the Norv days than JC has now. Zorn's scheme is the basic problem, but JC, along with a lot of the squad deserves a lot of heat from Sunday's game. THey showed absolutely no fire at all, either sides of the ball. Oh and props to good ole Gus, for he truly did more with less!!!!![/quote]I like the part where you totally outsmarted your friend, and then for no reason concluded that he was right.

Maybe there's something intangible that Campbell is missing that contributes to the offensive disorganization. But it never looks like the game is too fast for him out there, if anything, it looks like he wants to get out there and run plays faster than Zorn can get them in. I put the disorganization on Zorn, not Campbell lacking in intangibles.

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[quote=Mattyk72;598980]You crack me up with the Gus mentions. We're talking about a guy who head-butted a cement wall for crying out loud.[/quote]


True, but at least he had heart!!!!! And unless JC gets the TD machine going Gus will still be over JC in passing TDs as a Skin at year's end!!!!!!!!! Also, did Gus have the weapons like JC does now?

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[quote=GTripp0012;598982]I like the part where you totally outsmarted your friend, and then for no reason concluded that he was right.

Maybe there's something intangible that Campbell is missing that contributes to the offensive disorganization. But it never looks like the game is too fast for him out there, if anything, it looks like he wants to get out there and run plays faster than Zorn can get them in. I put the disorganization on Zorn, not Campbell lacking in intangibles.[/quote]

I switched that part to he had a point. Besides he did have a valid point. JC is indecisive and shows no fire in being the leader of the offense. Stafford looked more relaxed/poised than JC. That was all too painfully obvious!!! JC is the man, but really hasn't grown into the part yet.

[FONT=Arial Black][SIZE=6]Gus Frerotte Rules!!!![/SIZE][/FONT]

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[quote=GusFrerotte;598985]True, but at least he had heart!!!!! And unless JC gets the TD machine going Gus will still be over JC in passing TDs as a Skin at year's end!!!!!!!!! Also, did Gus have the weapons like JC does now?[/quote]He didn't have a Cooley comparable, but then again, Campbell's numbers are just better. So Cooley might help to explain that.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;598985]True, but at least he had heart!!!!! And unless JC gets the TD machine going Gus will still be over JC in passing TDs as a Skin at year's end!!!!!!!!! Also, did Gus have the weapons like JC does now?[/quote]

Yeah you got me, tried looking up some heart stats and Gus clearly wins. As for weapons didn't Gus have the likes of Henry Ellard?

And I wouldn't brag too hard on his numbers... they were less than impressive. In fact they were pretty mediocre.

[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FrerGu00.htm"]Gus Frerotte NFL & AFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/URL]

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[quote=Mattyk72;598990]Yeah you got me, tried looking up some heart stats and Gus clearly wins. As for weapons didn't Gus have the likes of Henry Ellard?

And I wouldn't brag too hard on his numbers... they were less than impressive.

[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FrerGu00.htm"]Gus Frerotte NFL & AFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/URL][/quote]


Ellard was on the downslope of his career at that point, so was Leslie Shepard. He also didn't have a Cooley to save his ass either.

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campbell is mark brunell jr. he is a happy looser.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;598992]Ellard was on the downslope of his career at that point, so was Leslie Sheppard. He also didn't have a Cooley to save his ass either.[/quote]

Ellard topped 1,000 yards in 3 of his 4 seasons in WAS.

He was still pretty damn good

[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/EllaHe00.htm"]Henry Ellard NFL & AFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/URL]

As for TE Jamie Asher was a pretty reliable target

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[quote=GusFrerotte;598987]I switched that part to he had a point. Besides he did have a valid point. JC is indecisive and shows no fire in being the leader of the offense. Stafford looked more relaxed/poised than JC. That was all too painfully obvious!!! JC is the man, but really hasn't grown into the part yet.

[FONT=Arial Black][SIZE=6]Gus Frerotte Sucks!!!![/SIZE][/FONT][/quote]

See this is the reason why Jason Campbell needs to go to another team, you got the f'ing owner wanting to ship him out town and stupid fans that are making up reasons to hate him and lay the blame solely on him.

As I said, I wish Campbell was a terrible QB so these morons had something to complain about.

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Gus had Brian Mitchell