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Two words....Matt Cassel.

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I just dont understand this crap. JC would be a better than average QB in this league with an offensive line that could block. If you look at statistics that were put out, when Jason had average time to deliver the ball he was as good as anyone in the league. And that is vertually with NO running game to speak of, and really no WR that could get open on a regular basis, and our best threat hurt (cooley). This organization is so damn bent on getting Campbell out of Washington, its blinded itself. If they built this team correctly by getting the most important pieces in place, then we wouldn't even be looking for a QB, or an entirely built offensive line. We could be drafting a RB(which in my opinion is something we need as much as anything), or a top corner to put beside Hall, or a freaking FS so Landry can stop getting burnt in coverage.

I wish they would just do the right thing and draft TWO offensive lineman, one in the 1st and one in the second. that is two starting offensive lineman that would be centerpieces for years to come. Give Campbell a chance, hell give Colt a chance to play behind someone that can block. This may give us another of dealing with Portis, (personally I hope he is gone) or we could even get a guy in the 4th, or move up to the 3rd to get a RB. I just feel the furthest thing we need to draft is a QB right now.

this would KILL the kids confidence if he is literally beat to hell behind an horrible o-line, just like poor Campbell was this year and Ramsey was a few years back.

Re: ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd
 

I just read everyone's post on the topic and I still would rather keep Jason than draft any QB in the 1st round. We were 4-12 in 2009 and JC was not the sole reason. We had to many injuries on the O-Line to list. We had no running game this year and a soft defense that got exposed as the season went on. We need to fix our horrible O-Line with the 1st and 2nd rd picks. These picks have to start from day 1. If we pick a QB than we know he will not be ready to play from day 1. If a rookie QB is starting than get ready for another 4-12 season with this horrible O-Line.

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[quote=#56fanatic;664345]I just dont understand this crap. JC would be a better than average QB in this league with an offensive line that could block. If you look at statistics that were put out, when Jason had average time to deliver the ball he was as good as anyone in the league. And that is vertually with NO running game to speak of, and really no WR that could get open on a regular basis, and our best threat hurt (cooley). This organization is so damn bent on getting Campbell out of Washington, its blinded itself. If they built this team correctly by getting the most important pieces in place, then we wouldn't even be looking for a QB, or an entirely built offensive line. We could be drafting a RB(which in my opinion is something we need as much as anything), or a top corner to put beside Hall, or a freaking FS so Landry can stop getting burnt in coverage.

I wish they would just do the right thing and draft TWO offensive lineman, one in the 1st and one in the second. that is two starting offensive lineman that would be centerpieces for years to come. Give Campbell a chance, hell give Colt a chance to play behind someone that can block. This may give us another of dealing with Portis, (personally I hope he is gone) or we could even get a guy in the 4th, or move up to the 3rd to get a RB. I just feel the furthest thing we need to draft is a QB right now.

this would KILL the kids confidence if he is literally beat to hell behind an horrible o-line, just like poor Campbell was this year and Ramsey was a few years back.[/quote]

If Campbell could put up the kind of numbers he did with virtually no running game, (to speak of) no line to block for him, and a coaching staff that had no idea what the hell they were doing, I'd sure like to see what he could do with all the above.

Re: ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd
 

[quote=SmootSmack;664089]Would you keep him on the roster as a backup? Supposing that you couldn't trade him, and it was either keep him or let him go.[/quote]

I'd keep him. I expect he could beat out a rookie (although I wouldnt bet on it) and maybe start until the rookie was ready to go in week 10.

There is an bit in today's Wash Post where it says that Mel Kiper projects that it looks more & more that the Skins will take Clausen at #4.

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[quote=Longtimefan;664363]If Campbell could put up the kind of numbers he did with virtually no running game, (to speak of) no line to block for him, and a coaching staff that had no idea what the hell they were doing, I'd sure like to see what he could do with all the above.[/quote]

I don't understand how fans of our team can so easily look past all the other failing facets of the team and focus their blame on a QB who was ranked 15th in the league.

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[quote=30gut;664460]I don't understand how fans of our team can so easily look past all the other failing facets of the team and focus their blame on a QB who was ranked 15th in the league.[/quote]


I'm not looking past it, nor do I blame Campbell, but if you can upgrade your QB you likely should. Nearly every team looks at doing it, no big deal.

If you're not sure of what you'll get, hold out for another year or so; if you think Clausen is the real deal, get him. The kid did great in a pro-style offense without a good line, running game, etc. Sure it's college, but he didn't need the shotgun/spread to have a good year with low INTs, etc.

Either way, Campbell should have a chance to prove himself this year.

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It's pretty common for the QB to either get too much blame or too much credit. But it seems like for many here, Campbell is completely absolved of any responsibility. Yes he had poor protection but that's too often being used as a crutch (I believe) for many of the poor decisions he made. It's as if people think no QB was ever a difference maker, that all that matters is the line in front of him.

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Couldn't agree more Smoot.

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[quote=tryfuhl;664477]I'm not looking past it, nor do I blame Campbell, but if you can upgrade your QB you likely should. Nearly every team looks at doing it, no big deal.

If you're not sure of what you'll get, hold out for another year or so; if you think Clausen is the real deal, get him. The kid did great in a pro-style offense without a good line, running game, etc. Sure it's college, but he didn't need the shotgun/spread to have a good year with low INTs, etc.

Either way, Campbell should have a chance to prove himself this year.[/quote]

Many talent evaluators do not project Clausen to be a first round talent. Now don't blame me for saying it, I'm just repeating the so called experts.

Re: ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd
 

I've only heard one maybe two people say that Clausen is not a first round talent.

Re: ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd
 

Yeah, somebody's gotta stand out. If you want to make the argument that there aren't many guarantees at QB that's fine, but for someone like McShay to call him 36 is kind of interesting. The position alone warrants a move up the charts.. and that's in his mock draft, not even his draft/talent board right?

Re: ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd
 

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/11182/skins-campbell-wont-go-quietly]Skins' Campbell won't go quietly - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

Re: ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd
 

[quote=SmootSmack;664478]It's pretty common for the QB to either get too much blame or too much credit. [B]But it seems like for many here, Campbell is completely absolved of any responsibility. Yes he had poor protection but that's too often being used as a crutch (I believe) for many of the poor decisions he made. It's as if people think no QB was ever a difference maker, that all that matters is the line in front of him[/B].[/quote]

Thank you! Ben Rothlisberger and Aaron Rogers seem to be able to elevate their play with sub-par lines...why do we excuse JC's mediocrity?

Re: ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;663737]I don't think so. I think Jason has a better idea of where he stands this year. The whole asking for a trade seem to come after Vinny and Snyder did damage control with Cutler then turned around a month later and tried to land Sanchez.

This year Shanahan has pretty much told him up front theres going to be a QB competition this year in camp. If Campbell was going to demand a trade then we probably would have heard at least some sort of rumbling.[/quote]

Seriously. If Jason can't beat out a rookie, whoever he is, he ain't getting a starting gig anywhere else. If they think one of these QBs is legit, they should pull the trigger. Best case scenario is that Jason comes out and tears it up AND whoever they draft turns out to be the real deal. It would be nice for the Skins to have 2 QBs that other teams covet a la Brees and Rivers when they played for San Diego. Look at the Eagles. They're in the driver's seat with McNabb AND Kobb. Good to have choices.