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[quote=SmootSmack;977466]He was fine, but-if we're being honest-he wasn't tremendously better than say Reed Doughty or even a guy like Jordan Pugh.

I love the 80s Redskins, but there's always a lot of revisionist history about them

But anyhow, that's in the past[/quote]


Pretty much my point.

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the only problem i had with the shanaplan was the inconsistent performance of our coordinators at times early in the season... i must say they have found rythym and the head scratchers get less and less every week.. they've turned play calling around in a huge way regardless of who we have a QB it seems... sure winning has alot to do with it but for me personally they have come on strong especially with halftime adjustments... can't say enough about the work they are putting in over this win streak and how it has translated on the field. big ups to both of them.

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^ The Redskins players and especially the coaching staff have been on fire since returning from the bye week.....

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I was so glad to get rid of the Snyderatto Front Office that I bought in on day 1 that Shanahan and Allen were hired. Finally two real football men running the ship, about 12 years too late.
Yes there have been some mistakes along the way with Shanaplan, but nobody is perfect. Even Gibbs I made some personnel mistakes here and there. I don't expect Shanahan and Allen to be perfect.
I think the real change now has to come from the Redskins fans that are too impatient and so desperate to win now that there is already talk of wanting to trade away Cousins for picks. You want picks to get great players. So why give away a good player for picks? The other needs will get taken care of with TIME.
I think last weeks RGIII injury is the perfect example of this impatience. So many people wanted RGIII to play and risk further injury even though he could run in practice. I love that Shanahan will only play RGIII until he is healthy, that is the correct way to treat your big investment.

My name is Punch, and im a Shanafan. Admitting it is half the battle. Lol.

I think its pretty apparent that everyone is jumping on the bandwagon now. Where were all you guys when me goat gtripp and mechanix were saying "be patient"? ;)
On a serious note everyone was excited when Vinnie left. When after two years and 9 weeks you have yet to be on the way to winning atleast as many games as Zorn did i think that was reasonable cause for doubt. Its easy now to say " i knew this was coming ( the wins) , as opposed to admitting that you might have been thinking the same thing as we were - "oh shit". I personally stated all year that when he wins he will garner my praise. I feel no shame in being a "bandwagon fan" of the coaching staff. I was never a "bandwagon fan" of my team. Would be wearing my jersey every sunday no matter what.

[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;977464]I was watching the 1991 NFC Championship game on DVD last night and Mays was all over the field after Darrell Green injured his ribs. Alvoid Mays was a pretty quality depth player....[/QUOTE]

Difference for Mays and our secondary depth now was we had a badass front seven that made opposing qb's very nervous.

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[quote=punch it in;977538]My name is Punch, and im a Shanafan. Admitting it is half the battle. Lol.

I think its pretty apparent that everyone is jumping on the bandwagon now. Where were all you guys when me goat gtripp and mechanix were saying "be patient"? ;)
On a serious note everyone was excited when Vinnie left. When after two years and 9 weeks you have yet to be on the way to winning atleast [B]as many games as Zorn [/B]did i think that was reasonable cause for doubt. Its easy now to say " i knew this was coming ( the wins) , as opposed to admitting that you might have been thinking the same thing as we were - "oh shit". I personally stated all year that when he wins he will garner my praise. I feel no shame in being a "bandwagon fan" of the coaching staff. I was never a "bandwagon fan" of my team. Would be wearing my jersey every sunday no matter what.[/quote]

I don't think I can express how much the bolded statement aggravates me. In hindsight, we [B][U][SIZE="2"]know[/SIZE][/U][/B] that Zorn's best days were in his first 8 games, when he won 6 of his total. We also know that those first 8 games were Zorn staying with what JG had built. Shanahan wasn't even trying to take what he had been given and win with it. He took what he was given, threw a whole bunch out, and started seeing who was going to be his kinda guys. Saying that Zorn and Shanahan had the same win total completely ignores the reality of how the two win totals were achieved. end rant

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;977547]I don't think I can express how much the bolded statement aggravates me. In hindsight, we [B][U][SIZE=2]know[/SIZE][/U][/B] that Zorn's best days were in his first 8 games, when he won 6 of his total. We also know that those first 8 games were Zorn staying with what JG had built. Shanahan wasn't even trying to take what he had been given and win with it. He took what he was given, threw a whole bunch out, and started seeing who was going to be his kinda guys. Saying that Zorn and Shanahan had the same win total completely ignores the reality of how the two win totals were achieved. end rant[/quote]

It is a well thought out rant and I believe that your theory fits. I could buy that logic even if it weren't the truth. It makes too much sense not to be though.

Hypothetical question if the team were to improve on paper, but start off horrible next season and not even make the playoffs, then what would your assessment of Shannahan be then? Would you allow him to stay for his fifth year or would you be looking for different options?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;977547]I don't think I can express how much the bolded statement aggravates me. In hindsight, we [B][U][SIZE="2"]know[/SIZE][/U][/B] that Zorn's best days were in his first 8 games, when he won 6 of his total. We also know that those first 8 games were Zorn staying with what JG had built. Shanahan wasn't even trying to take what he had been given and win with it. He took what he was given, threw a whole bunch out, and started seeing who was going to be his kinda guys. [B]Saying that Zorn and Shanahan had the same win total completely ignores the reality of how the two win totals were achieved.[/B] end rant[/quote]

That is exactly right. It ignores that Shanahan and Allen pretty much built this teams roster with their players.

The young talent you have and the way your team is playing (quality of play) is some times more important than your record. If I played 8 games with this current roster against:
1) Patriots
2) Green Bay
3) 49ers
4) Giants
5) Texans
6) Falcons
7) Denver
and we lost more games than we won, I would still be happy. Because it was against the best teams in the NFL and I know our team is young and promising.
But if I played 8 weak ass teams and won them all with Zorn's old weak ass roster I would not be happy because our play on the field and our players were weak.
Win loss does not always tell the whole story. You are only as good as the teams you play.

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I don't think anyone was ever saying "We [I]know[/I] Shanahan will succeed." I know I wasn't. I had (and have) - as those familiar with liturgy will understand - "a sure and certain hope" that he would succeed. I think we have all had our doubts and, frankly, I still do. At 3-6, I was just not looking forward to starting over [I]again.[/I] Winning streaks in December against division foes, however, make it easy to regain one's faith.

If they falter next year, it really depends on what is causing it to determine if MS should be canned. It's still a "right now" league - and, right now, we are successful. If next year's "right now" is a bumbling, penalty ridden, poorly managed team, then MS could very well be on the hot seat.

I just don't think this team takes that kind of step back. Mike has gotten guys who buy into his work ethic - they just needed something to be the catalyst for success and, whatever happened during the bye week, they seem to have found it. I believe we have taken the first steps out of mediocrity. As I said earlier in the thread, how we deal with the inevitable talent drain will determine if we take the next.

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Hey, guys.

I don't post here often. I come here mostly to read and get news about the team and the NFL, and follow the gameday threads, so none of you know me but I have read most of you for years. I've contributed when I can and simply love this place. I have been a diehard fan of the 'Skins since I was a kid and 40 is less than two years away.

The last twenty years have been painful, with flashes of what could have been here and there, the only true bright spot in all that time being when #21 was in our backfield hunting receivers and killing TOs.

I was glad when we got rid of Vinny and Snyder started pumping his brakes on personnel decisions, I was ambivalent but willing to try with the Shanahans because we were epitomizing insanity (i.e., doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results), and I was all behind the trade for Robert.

I thought we would go 4-12, MAYBE 5-11, this season, and I was fine with that knowing we had a guy who was going to be the future.

And wow. Look where we are now.

For me, I think we saw the beginning of a real turnaround here in 'Skinsnation not against the Gi'nts, but against the Ravens.

When a player affects the play on the field he's not on, you've got something very special. What happened on FedEx Field Sunday before last against that Super Bowl quality team was truly remarkable.

I firmly believe week before last was a turning point for our 'Skins. I think Robert is ... well, just incredible. RG3 brought them all together against the Ravens and that allowed Cap'n Kirk to beam the Browns up Sunday. I think Robert will lead the 'Skins to extraordinary heights.

And that's due in no small part to the coaching of the Shanahans.

So yeah, I'm in on the Shanaplan. In fact, I'm doubling down. No matter what happens the rest of this season (and I believe we are going to run the table at this point), the Two Decades of Suck are over. We have no where to go but up.

HAIL!

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;977547]I don't think I can express how much the bolded statement aggravates me. In hindsight, we [B][U][SIZE="2"]know[/SIZE][/U][/B] that Zorn's best days were in his first 8 games, when he won 6 of his total. We also know that those first 8 games were Zorn staying with what JG had built. Shanahan wasn't even trying to take what he had been given and win with it. He took what he was given, threw a whole bunch out, and started seeing who was going to be his kinda guys. Saying that Zorn and Shanahan had the same win total completely ignores the reality of how the two win totals were achieved. end rant[/QUOTE]

I understand that all, i am admitting i was wrong, but you are giving alot of credit to personell and hardly any to gameplanning and coaching. You could hand me a team full of hall of famers but as long as im the one standing n the sideline they arent going to win much. So my comment about Zorn was just to point out that if that idiot can coach a team to 8 wins than i WAS wondering why Shanny couldnt. Anyway apparently it seems Shanny can still coach a team so im willing to chalk up the first two and a half years to "i dont give a crap cus its over". Lol
Edit: i didnt say they had the same win total i said Zorn won 8 games and Shanny hadnt cracked six. My point was that if Zorn can win 8 i expect atleast that from Shanny -even with a lesser team. Not enough credit given to in game coaching or game planning anymore -

[QUOTE=ashvirtually;977576]Hey, guys.

I don't post here often. I come here mostly to read and get news about the team and the NFL, and follow the gameday threads, so none of you know me but I have read most of you for years. I've contributed when I can and simply love this place. I have been a diehard fan of the 'Skins since I was a kid and 40 is less than two years away.

The last twenty years have been painful, with flashes of what could have been here and there, the only true bright spot in all that time being when #21 was in our backfield hunting receivers and killing TOs.

I was glad when we got rid of Vinny and Snyder started pumping his brakes on personnel decisions, I was ambivalent but willing to try with the Shanahans because we were epitomizing insanity (i.e., doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results), and I was all behind the trade for Robert.

I thought we would go 4-12, MAYBE 5-12, this season, and I was fine with that knowing we had a guy who was going to be the future.

And wow. Look where we are now.

For me, I think we saw the beginning of a real turnaround here in 'Skinsnation not against the Gi'nts, but against the Ravens.

When a player affects the play on the field he's not on, you've got something very special. What happened on FedEx Field Sunday before last against that Super Bowl quality team was truly remarkable.

I firmly believe week before last was a turning point for our 'Skins. I think Robert is ... well, just incredible. RG3 brought them all together against the Ravens and that allowed Cap'n Kirk to beam the Browns up Sunday. I think Robert will lead the 'Skins to extraordinary heights.

And that's due in no small part to the coaching of the Shanahans.

So yeah, I'm in on the Shanaplan. In fact, I'm doubling down. No matter what happens the rest of this season (and I believe we are going to run the table at this point), the Two Decades of Suck are over. We have no where to go but up.

HAIL![/QUOTE]

Yes RG-3 has rubbed off his win ing attitude on this team which is usually so beyond the realm of what a rookie is capable of. Truly amazing. Great point. You should post more often! Btw enjoy the next two years cus its all downhill from there! Lol!

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[quote=ashvirtually;977576]Hey, guys.

I don't post here often. I come here mostly to read and get news about the team and the NFL, and follow the gameday threads, so none of you know me but I have read most of you for years. I've contributed when I can and simply love this place. I have been a diehard fan of the 'Skins since I was a kid and 40 is less than two years away.

The last twenty years have been painful, with flashes of what could have been here and there, the only true bright spot in all that time being when #21 was in our backfield hunting receivers and killing TOs.

I was glad when we got rid of Vinny and Snyder started pumping his brakes on personnel decisions, I was ambivalent but willing to try with the Shanahans because we were epitomizing insanity (i.e., doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results), and I was all behind the trade for Robert.

I thought we would go 4-12, MAYBE 5-11, this season, and I was fine with that knowing we had a guy who was going to be the future.

And wow. Look where we are now.

For me, I think we saw the beginning of a real turnaround here in 'Skinsnation not against the Gi'nts, but against the Ravens.

When a player affects the play on the field he's not on, you've got something very special. What happened on FedEx Field Sunday before last against that Super Bowl quality team was truly remarkable.

I firmly believe week before last was a turning point for our 'Skins. I think Robert is ... well, just incredible. RG3 brought them all together against the Ravens and that allowed Cap'n Kirk to beam the Browns up Sunday. I think Robert will lead the 'Skins to extraordinary heights.

And that's due in no small part to the coaching of the Shanahans.

So yeah, I'm in on the Shanaplan. In fact, I'm doubling down. No matter what happens the rest of this season (and I believe we are going to run the table at this point), the Two Decades of Suck are over. We have no where to go but up.

HAIL![/quote]

Welcome to the board. Nice post.

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[quote=Angry;977552]It is a well thought out rant and I believe that your theory fits. I could buy that logic even if it weren't the truth. It makes too much sense not to be though.

Hypothetical question if the team were to improve on paper, but start off horrible next season and not even make the playoffs, then what would your assessment of Shannahan be then? Would you allow him to stay for his fifth year or would you be looking for different options?[/quote]

We play the NFC North, and AFC West, as well as one NFC West and NFC South team. If we start off horrible again next year(less than .500 after 6 games), I think I would backtrack some. Having shown movement in the right direction, getting some players back, and playing what should be a similar, or easier, schedule we should see a more consistent team.

That said, I think we will be a 9+ win team(probably 10+) for the next 3 years, given the AFC and NFC rotation we will see.