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[quote=saden1;1094511]Wow, people still think Jay Gruden is a good coach. When Snyder and co are doing the evaluation of the coaches how can you expect the coaches to be any good? How do you reconcile Allen saying "we don't have gaping holes" with reality? How can you give your hard earned dollars to watch this filth?


Bruce Arians....amazing. Jay Gruden...shit on a stick.[/quote]

I have always wondered what people are thinking when they say that we are such a terrible team that no coach could succeed with this cast. Only to then turn around and claim the coach to be the problem while acting like our team is loaded with talent. Comparing our talent to Az is laughable, especially that defense. Would a single player on our defense even be able to start for them?

Its like cutting a tomato in half and wondering why you dont get half an apple and half a watermelon.

Re: Jay Gruden you are our only hope
 

[quote=Skinzman;1094519]I have always wondered what people are thinking when they say that we are such a terrible team that no coach could succeed with this cast. Only to then turn around and claim the coach to be the problem while acting like our team is loaded with talent. Comparing our talent to Az is laughable, especially that defense. [B]Would a single player on our defense even be able to start for them?[/B]

Its like cutting a tomato in half and wondering why you dont get half an apple and half a watermelon.[/quote]

Yes

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[quote=Kindoy;1094520]Yes[/quote]

Who?

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Hasslett will be gone by the end of the year...
The fact that we could not rattle McCown is all the evidence you need to prove that his system is terrible!!

Re: Jay Gruden you are our only hope
 

[quote=Schneed10;1094353]I can't believe the overall tone of this thread is supportive of Jay Gruden. He's been terrible.

Griffin has not lived up to his reputation and I'm starting to wonder if he ever will.

But I have not seen Jay Gruden do anything offensively to give us a strategic advantage other than launch it deep to DeSean Jackson. His version of the zone blocking scheme has resulted in sub-par running from Alfred Morris despite running behind mostly the same line as the Shanahans had. If anything this line should be better.

Pierre Garcon has turned from one of the most reliable receivers in the league into a complete afterthought.

Gruden's team was completely unprepared yesterday. And as for the matter of Griffin, his poor development falls at the feet of the head coach, like it or not. He was brought in to get Robert going in the right direction. He's going in the wrong direction.

I wouldn't make any rash moves. I'd keep Jay and Robert together through Robert's rookie contract. But if they don't both get it in gear then I'd completely clean house.

I'm completely unimpressed by Jay Gruden.[/quote]

Agreed, kinda odd how little heat he's getting. He hasn't done anything to have our support or faith.

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[quote=Skinzman;1094521]Who?[/quote]

Kerrigan, Coefield, Hatcher, arguably Keenan

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[quote=Kindoy;1094524]Kerrigan, Coefield, Hatcher, arguably Keenan[/quote]

I doubt any of them would start right now for Az. Hatcher has been pretty normal the last few games. Kerrigan has taken a step back it seems. He has disappeared completely in a few games this year, although started real hot. Cofield isnt either, Az is strong on the Dline. Keenan... maybe. He has really played well this year but Az also has a pretty strong LB corps.

Az has one of the best defenses out there. Ours is not even in the same conversation.

On a side note. If a lot of you get your wish and Gruden is gone. I would really love if the skins took a long look at Todd Bowles as a HC candidate.

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[quote=Skinzman;1094526]I doubt any of them would start right now for Az. Hatcher has been pretty normal the last few games. Kerrigan has taken a step back it seems. He has disappeared completely in a few games this year, although started real hot. Cofield isnt either, Az is strong on the Dline. Keenan... maybe. He has really played well this year but Az also has a pretty strong LB corps.

Az has one of the best defenses out there. Ours is not even in the same conversation.

On a side note. If a lot of you get your wish and Gruden is gone. I would really love if the skins took a long look at Todd Bowles as a HC candidate.[/quote]

Coefield > Dan Williams
Hatcher > Frostee Rucker
Kerrigan > Acho & Okafor

Cardinals are great at doing more with less. They plug & play. You plug those 3 into that defense and I just don't believe their guys would play better than ours.

Keenan vs. Foote is the only real argument IMO. Young potential vs. proven vet, not sure Foote is on that roster if they already had Keenan.

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I can see Robinson, Kerrigan, Orakpo, Hatcher, Breeland, Cofield, Amerson starting in Arizona and playing great. Bowles could make Orakpo what everyone expected.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1094531]I can see Robinson, Kerrigan, Orakpo, Hatcher, Breeland, Cofield, Amerson starting in Arizona and playing great. Bowles could make Orakpo what everyone expected.[/quote]

This.

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[quote=Kindoy;1094529]Coefield > Dan Williams
Hatcher > Frostee Rucker
Kerrigan > Acho & Okafor

Cardinals are great at doing more with less. They plug & play. You plug those 3 into that defense and I just don't believe their guys would play better than ours.

Keenan vs. Foote is the only real argument IMO. Young potential vs. proven vet, not sure Foote is on that roster if they already had Keenan.[/quote]

I'd have to agree.

Basic point is we're not totally devoid of talent. That's what makes the losing all the more frustrating.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1094531]I can see Robinson, Kerrigan, Orakpo, Hatcher, Breeland, Cofield, Amerson starting in Arizona and playing great. Bowles could make Orakpo what everyone expected.[/quote]

Didn't consider Orakpo because of injury, but I agree 100%.

Not sure that Breeland or Amerson have the stuff to start over Cromartie yet - they'd be a lot better in that system though so who knows.

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[quote=Mattyk;1094533]I'd have to agree.

Basic point is we're not totally devoid of talent. That's what makes the losing all the more frustrating.[/quote]

And we have a shit ton of talent on offense, minus 3 OL positions. WR, TE, FB, RB and LT are all stacked, maybe as good as any in the league.

But those three holes on the oline are terrible, and there's no depth whatsoever. Allen still gets a low grade, and given his coaching searches, it just seems like Allen doesn't have what it takes.

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Are we really talking head coach change again?? Vince Lombardi himself could come out of the grave, and he would go 5-11 with this dysfunctional organization.

Re: Jay Gruden you are our only hope
 

[quote=Rotten1980;1094536]And we have a shit ton of talent on offense, minus 3 OL positions. WR, TE, FB, RB and LT are all stacked, maybe as good as any in the league.

But those three holes on the oline are terrible, and there's no depth whatsoever. Allen still gets a low grade, and given his coaching searches, it just seems like Allen doesn't have what it takes.[/quote]

That's why I say start the 3rd rounders, let's see what they can do. Leribus is probably better than Lauvao and Long is smart and plays with a chip in his shoulder, something Chester lacks.