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[quote=FRPLG;1154936]This election wasn't about whether trump is a meanie or a nice dude. It was about years of neglect for the lower middle class in the middle of this country on the part of DC politicians. The one person charismatic enough and outsider enough came along and said "drain the swamp" and every factory worker sitting on their couch looking for a new job said "Finally!" It didn't matter that he's an asshole. They voted in spite of that. The same message from someone equally as media savvy with a better reputation and a nicer demeanor would have made this a blowout across the board.[/quote]


A quality post and one that most reflects the truth about this election. People that voted for Trump did so knowing he was a sexist, racist bigot that had no business being a President. In exit polls 2/3 of the people that voted for him said that they knew he was unqualified to be the President. So why vote for him you think? Well, because for all of his faults, he was a political outsider that the system fought against. This same system that has fucked the middle class American families the past 30 years while our politicians continue to allow corporations to ship jobs overseas and to evade taxes. Trump was the conservative equal to the Democratic's Bernie. He represented a change, and one that went against the system that's fucked them over.

Now lets switch over to Clinton. Here we have middle class families still hurting from the banking crisis, and the one person the Dems trot out is cozy with Wall Street bankers and who supports another shitty trade pact that's going to send more jobs overseas. Not to mention the pay to play Clinton foundation while she was secretary of state, or the email fiasco, or even the rigging of the primaries against Bernie. She represented the very system they hated.

This election was over the moment that Clinton was nominated. The left was just too stupid to think otherwise, and the more they countered with negative ads and media endorsements, the stronger Trump's support gained. Frankly, I've talked to too many Trump voters that flat out said they would have voted for Bernie over Trump because they thought Bernie was a decent man who also fought the system and wasn't really worried about his policies with a standing congress. Make no mistake, many Trump voters aren't happy they had to vote Trump.

I voted Johnson personally.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1155004]A quality post and one that most reflects the truth about this election. People that voted for Trump did so knowing he was a sexist, racist bigot that had no business being a President. In exit polls 2/3 of the people that voted for him said that they knew he was unqualified to be the President. So why vote for him you think? Well, because for all of his faults, he was a political outsider that the system fought against. This same system that has fucked the middle class American families the past 30 years while our politicians continue to allow corporations to ship jobs overseas and to evade taxes. Trump was the conservative equal to the Democratic's Bernie. He represented a change, and one that went against the system that's fucked them over.



Now lets switch over to Clinton. Here we have middle class families still hurting from the banking crisis, and the one person the Dems trot out is cozy with Wall Street bankers and who supports another shitty trade pact that's going to send more jobs overseas. Not to mention the pay to play Clinton foundation while she was secretary of state, or the email fiasco, or even the rigging of the primaries against Bernie. She represented the very system they hated.



This election was over the moment that Clinton was nominated. The left was just too stupid to think otherwise, and the more they countered with negative ads and media endorsements, the stronger Trump's support gained. Frankly, I've talked to too many Trump voters that flat out said they would have voted for Bernie over Trump because they thought Bernie was a decent man who also fought the system and wasn't really worried about his policies with a standing congress. Make no mistake, many Trump voters aren't happy they had to vote Trump.



I voted Johnson personally.[/QUOTE]



No doubt. Bernie would have won in a landslide. Pretty ironic that Hillary was Trumps biggest asset getting to the White house.
Oh well. He will expose his inabilities and I will sit back, eat my popcorn, and watch these Trumpeters in their "oh crap what have I done moment".
I would love to say that this new regime will do a 180, but me thinks I have a better chance of finding a real live leprechaun holding a four leaf clover while riding a unicorn.

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[quote=Chico23231;1154997]ill peak at that when I get home...I just think with the available technology maybe a physical barrier isn't needed. I surely think we could do a better job. Are folks saying we cant do something? interesting.

[B]Why do you think people who want to immigrate into a country and then don't want to follow the immigration law...why cant they just follow the rules? Do you think its ok for people to generally to break a federal law within the first couple minutes of arriving in the country by steppin across the border? How should we feel as citizens about thi[/B]s?[/quote]

U asking me? I am just telling yo ua wall will be difficult. Unless we build the 8th wonder of the world probably not going be a wall.

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[quote=Chico23231;1154992]So if we don't build a wall, are you saying your currently satisfied with the security of the border? Your satisfied with the flow of undocumented folks coming across the border? With the flow of drugs and human trafficking? Human trafficking is big business for bad hombres. What about American Citizens living along the border? Pretty much eff them? Those folks don't deserve the security?

Im kinda lost with folks who think we shouldn't secure the border. So are you good with people just walking through your own property...what about if they are carrying drugs and guns?[/quote]

Definitely not. I'm moderate when it comes to immigration. I think we need to tighten our borders for sure, but also don't think we should be hunting down and shipping out hundreds of thousands of people. Border control is one of the more complex issues for me. While I will agree with one idea that's maybe more liberal, I will also agree with a more conservative idea.

For me, the whole idea was just flat-out stupid. In addition to the logistics, it just flat out wouldn't work.

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Voter turnout for the past 3 elections.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/TOGIbcP.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=mredskins;1155006]U asking me? I am just telling yo ua wall will be difficult. Unless we build the 8th wonder of the world probably not going be a wall.[/quote]

no general question for the group. 8th wonder of world...that sounds very trump-like lol

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If he made the wall big enough it could hold casinos and hotels.
The hotels could have spotting scopes on the room balconies and you could get a casino voucher for every illegal you spotted.
5 X pay on the blackjack tables. Woohoo!

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1155008]Definitely not. I'm moderate when it comes to immigration. I think we need to tighten our borders for sure, but also don't think we should be hunting down and shipping out hundreds of thousands of people. Border control is one of the more complex issues for me. While I will agree with one idea that's maybe more liberal, I will also agree with a more conservative idea.

For me, the whole idea was just flat-out stupid. In addition to the logistics, it just flat out wouldn't work.[/quote]

yeah I don't think we will be hunting down folks either...not for that. Im for an existing path with current folks here that have established families. But I think before you tackle the policy...that border needs to become secure.

I also think if we establish an existing path, then we bring harsher penalties to those who cross illegally. Actual Human traffickers are shown no mercy...they get caught and locked up immediately with no bail. Human trafficking is the scummiest of all scum.

I think a stronger border is a must...maybe not a wall in all places, but defiantly a more secure border...lets use technology.

Its unfortunate, but a lot of folks don't really understand what the people of texas and Arizona go through who live against the border....its bad. Not safe at all. And that's a disservice by the federal government.

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Trumps 100 day action plan.

[url]https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landings/contract/O-TRU-102316-Contractv02.pdf[/url]

Two different items from that I copied and pasted -
★
FOURTH
, begin removing the more than two million
criminal illegal immigrants from the country and cancel
visas to foreign countries that won’t take them back.

[B]End Illegal Immigration Act[/B]
Fully-funds the construction of a wall on our southern
border with the full understanding that the country of
Mexico will be reimbursing the United States for the full cost
of such wall; establishes a two-year mandatory minimum
federal prison sentence for illegally re-entering the U.S. after
a previous deportation, and a five-year mandatory minimum
federal prison sentence for illegally re-entering for those
with felony convictions, multiple misdemeanor convictions
or two or more prior deportations; also reforms visa rules to
enhance penalties for overstaying and to ensure open jobs
are offered to American workers first.

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[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;1155011]If he made the wall big enough it could hold casinos and hotels.

The hotels could have spotting scopes on the room balconies and you could get a casino voucher for every illegal you spotted.

5 X pay on the blackjack tables. Woohoo![/QUOTE]



And when they go bankrupt we will make those Mexicans pay for it!

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[quote=Chico23231;1155012]yeah I don't think we will be hunting down folks either...not for that. Im for an existing path with current folks here that have established families. But I think before you tackle the policy...that border needs to become secure.

I also think if we establish an existing path, then we bring harsher penalties to those who cross illegally. Actual Human traffickers are shown no mercy...they get caught and locked up immediately with no bail. Human trafficking is the scummiest of all scum.

I think a stronger border is a must...maybe not a wall in all places, but defiantly a more secure border...lets use technology.

Its unfortunate, but a lot of folks don't really understand what the people of texas and Arizona go through who live against the border....its bad. Not safe at all. And that's a disservice by the federal government.[/quote]

All of this definitely sounds reasonable to me. I guess when it's all said and done, it'll be a learning moment for everyone. My biggest fear is him doing irreparable damage (some I think he has already done) during his four years that would take longer than my lifetime to undo.

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Worst part of all of this:

No taco truck on every corner. :(

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1155017]All of this definitely sounds reasonable to me. I guess when it's all said and done, it'll be a learning moment for everyone. My biggest fear is him doing irreparable damage (some I think he has already done) during his four years that would take longer than my lifetime to undo.[/quote]

Just curious - what damage do you think he has already done?

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International opinion. Regardless of how much the international community knows about our politics, they at least outwardly see the things he's said and done. I imagine if we just saw the highlights of someone like him elsewhere, we'd probably lose a lot of respect for those who voted him in.

EDIT: He also divided this country with a lot of hate. We've beaten that horse to death, but I've never seen Americans pitted against each other like this. Just an example from last night: where I work had a support meeting for foreign students and LGBT students. A few other students PROTESTED this meeting yelling liberal pussies to them. They see that it's OK their President can do it, so it's OK for them to do it too.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1155019]Just curious - what damage do you think he has already done?[/QUOTE]



I would start with insulting muslims, mexicans, women, etc and than being elected potus. Minor details. Im glad people are protesting. At least the rest of the world knows that we are not all fans of his crass racist ignorant speech. Do not ever underestimate the power of words.
Edit - c-red remember me accidentally flipping the bird to the old lady who was a cowboy fan? U had a problem with that kind of hate. So i guess im wondering how you could even ask the question "what kind of damage he has done"?