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[QUOTE=MTK;1168058]Kirk says he didn't ask for a trade, do you believe him?

[url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18905012/kirk-cousins-washington-redskins-says-reached-owner-dan-snyder-understand-team-direction]Kirk Cousins of Washington Redskins says he reached out to owner Dan Snyder to understand team's direction[/url][/QUOTE]
I think he has changed his mind due to the fact that SF has signed 2 QBs, maybe they decided he isn't worth the 2nd pick. I'm hoping we sign him soon

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I wonder what numbers each side is stuck at? I have a feeling it is the Redskins that are far away from a reasonable number. Kirk proved himself while QB salaries continue to escalate. I was thinking before that $115 mil for 5 years was fair with $50 mil guaranteed. I think I will up his value to $24 mil a year for 5 years. After decades of horrendous QB play how could the Redskins let a guy who almost threw for 5,000 yards walk?

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If we can't bring it up from $20M per year w low guarantees then Redskin park needs to be burned to the ground. I do think they will though, in the wee hours of July 14.

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[quote=Schneed10;1168104]If we can't bring it up from $20M per year w low guarantees then Redskin park needs to be burned to the ground. I do think they will though, in the wee hours of July 14.[/quote]

agree...

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1168102]I wonder what numbers each side is stuck at? I have a feeling it is the Redskins that are far away from a reasonable number. Kirk proved himself while QB salaries continue to escalate. I was thinking before that $115 mil for 5 years was fair with $50 mil guaranteed. I think I will up his value to $24 mil a year for 5 years. After decades of horrendous QB play how could the Redskins let a guy who almost threw for 5,000 yards walk?[/quote]

I agree and for those who just want to build up the Defense and running game, please refer to the Redskins from 2000-2010. They drafted hall of fame caliber players Champ Bailey and Chris Samuels in back to back years. Later on, Arrington, Sean Taylor, etc. They were generally stout on Defense and could run the ball well. However, they still sucked BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T SOLVE THE QUARTERBACK POSITION.

Now they have a young, productive and franchise record breaking quarterback and a top 5 Offense. Why in the world would they blow that up? Fix the 28th ranked Defense and the 21st ranked running game and leave the Offense in tact. There's plenty of money to do that even after signing Cousins to a LTD. It's not an either or situation.

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[quote=44Deezel;1168111] Now they have a young, productive and franchise record breaking quarterback and a top 5 Offense. Why in the world would they blow that up? Fix the 28th ranked Defense and the 21st ranked running game and leave the Offense in tact. There's plenty of money to do that even after signing Cousins to a LTD. It's not an either or situation.[/quote]

Agree with you, we should sign KC. However, the other argument is that Kirk benefited from a good WR group - Reed / Djax / Garcon / Crowder, and a top 3 O-line, and a pass-happy QB friendly offense under Gruden/McVay -- all of which inflates the numbers.

SO -- if you believe the above, then you could argue that another QB may not give you the same numbers but could be serviceable, with less cap hit, especially if you think Kirk can't perform in big situations. He certainly takes some blame for losing down the stretch with the playoffs on the line.

Personally I'd take Kirk rather than gamble unnecessarily. We'll see what happens.

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Sounds like the Browns may make a run trading for Kirk.

Per @ProFootballTalk: Cleveland may make a run at trading for Kirk Cousins

JP Finlay also reporting that he's heard similar reports within last 24 hours

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[quote=dej733;1168115]Sounds like the Browns may make a run trading for Kirk.

Per @ProFootballTalk: Cleveland may make a run at trading for Kirk Cousins

JP Finlay also reporting that he's heard similar reports within last 24 hours[/quote]
Poor Kirk if that goes down, at least his football career will die profitable.

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[quote=dej733;1168115]Sounds like the Browns may make a run trading for Kirk.

Per @ProFootballTalk: Cleveland may make a run at trading for Kirk Cousins

JP Finlay also reporting that he's heard similar reports within last 24 hours[/quote]

You kind of wonder if the Skins would float this rumor to get Kirk to agree to a long term contract out of fear.

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We won't trade kirk for anything less than a 1st round pick and Cleveland ain't giving us one of theirs..

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1168117]You kind of wonder if the Skins would float this rumor to get Kirk to agree to a long term contract out of fear.[/quote]

I thought the same when I read the report. Maybe they're floating the rumor to try to force Kirk's hand by the threat of sending him to the Browns. Both the Skins and Browns are going through some rough times right now... but staying with the Skins has to be more appealing to Kirk than going to Cleveland (I hope). I really would like to see us get a deal done to keep Kirk.

From what I've heard, Kirk's agent is chasing his first major contract and he wants to hit big with Kirk; so if it's the money that they're chasing then it may not matter that it's the Browns. The Browns have the cap space and ammo to possibly make a trade happen.The Browns have already showed their hand by letting everyone know that they don't want Osweiler. From everything that I've heard is that they plan to either release or trade him. So they still need a QB. They have two first round picks this year (1st and 12th); maybe they would be willing to give up the 12th pick along with a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

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The only way the Browns consider that is if they are confident Cousins would sign a deal with them, and the only way that could happen is if the Redskins permit him to talk contract with the Browns. And the only way the Redskins do that is if Cleveland makes a real hard push in terms of trade compensation.

Lots of dominoes to fall, I don't see it. I don't think Cousins would be interested in signing there.

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1168117]You kind of wonder if the Skins would float this rumor to get Kirk to agree to a long term contract out of fear.[/quote]

Kirk basically controls where he can be traded since no one will trade for him if they don't know the basic parameters of his eventual long term deal or if he flat out says he won't sign long term with them. Unless the Skins are willing to give Kirk up for peanuts, in which case maybe some team would be content to have him for one year

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Kirk cleared the air, the front office wants him, so this will get done.

the rest of us just need to tune out the "fake news" until the final signature goes on paper.

More than ever, I am convinced this deal gets done.

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If Brock Osweiler comes to the Skins as part of any trade I will stop watching pro football. Can't root for another team so I'd just have to quit cold turkey.